MiG-21 1.5.4 Major Upgrade & Changelog

[ThorBrasil]

I have TIR working again but i had to delete the file located in \Eagle Dynamics\DCS World\Mods\aircraft\MIG-21bis\Input\MiG-21\trackir

Very Nice! :thumbup:

[Frederf]

The roll rate is very slow now, at 8-900km/s it's app. 3 times slower compered to previous version or 2.0. Feels very slow?

 

I don't either have trackIR issues. But Hud view is misplaced in all airplanes.

 

Edit: Her's a fix for the misplaced Hud view: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2822725&postcount=134

 

Roll rate is very alpha-dependent. Make sure you're as near as possible to 0° AOA (via F2, UUA indicator is still not so accurate) when you roll. Also cycle the aileron booster (don't trust it visually in case it is de-synced).

[Cobra847]

So maybe for something different - Cobra, any news on Your custom kneeboard pages that went missing with 1.5.4? They're not crucial, but were easier to use than deciphering small placards in the cockpit :).

 

It's on the list, pretty high up. There is 0 custom code in the kneeboard, so it's surprising that it broke. Will fix ASAP.

[simapajik]

Unfortunately, the new update has brought a lot of other bugs. It's really a vicious circle. I feel that with the other modules are not major problems ?? Yesterday I watched the multiplayer module Mirage-2000C. The module from the beginning underwent significant changes with the external audio quality sound, including afterburner.

 

I bought along with MiG-21bis module Mi-8Mtv. The Mi-8 MTV no significant problems. Gentlemen why. ?? Mig-21 module is to spread their non-use for a long time ?? I'm sorry, but let's be honest ... It's not good to think about the purchase of F-14 Tomcat. Users expect the same problems. I'm so sorry..

[BadHabit]

There is nothing to compare between mig-21 and f14 and what bugs or problems do you encounter. I really found the new patch very successful.

 

Mig-21 Headbutter

[Cobra847]

Unfortunately, the new update has brought a lot of other bugs. It's really a vicious circle. I feel that with the other modules are not major problems ?? Yesterday I watched the multiplayer module Mirage-2000C. The module from the beginning underwent significant changes with the external audio quality sound, including afterburner.

 

I bought along with MiG-21bis module Mi-8Mtv. The Mi-8 MTV no significant problems. Gentlemen why. ?? Mig-21 module is to spread their non-use for a long time ?? I'm sorry, but let's be honest ... It's not good to think about the purchase of F-14 Tomcat. Users expect the same problems. I'm so sorry..

 

How is the Mirage 2000's sound relevant to the MiG-21bis?

 

I am not aware of any major issues besides the AoA bug and the kneeboard at this time. It would be helpful if you'd clarify.

[ThorBrasil]

How is the Mirage 2000's sound relevant to the MiG-21bis?

 

I am not aware of any major issues besides the AoA bug and the kneeboard at this time. It would be helpful if you'd clarify.

 

I think it's the bug that the MiG-21 has no external sound. When you pass by a friend. This friend does not hear the sound of the MiG-21.

[Dwarf_Hunter]

I really have to agree with BadHabit. Maybe there is something wrong with their software-development methods or communication with ED. I really hate unfinished products with manuals pretending everything is working!! I cost me hours to test and find out that the SPS-141-00 module is still not finished either as ais the afterburner effects. Yesterday same with the red-lighting.

Just put a comment on the pop-up help labels on buttons stating modules are work in progress!!! That' not difficult to do, is it?

Not very promising for the real prestigious TomCat project, which is much more difficult then the Mig21.

Although I love the Mig21Bis, I will not buy the F14 on release.

[CoBlue]

I am not aware of any major issues besides the AoA bug and the kneeboard at this time. It would be helpful if you'd clarify.

 

Now it's the view jumping at landing/take-off & to slow roll-rate, haven't checked the rest.

The roll-rate was fine before, now it's 3 times slower, the 21 rolls like a WWII fighter. What was the reason for dumbing it down?

 

Look at the videos & compare:

https://youtu.be/0-cEdwgYdAw?t=6m29s

 

A roll with the gear out app. 360°/s.

[Rainbowgeorge]

There is nothing to compare between mig-21 and f14 and what bugs or problems do you encounter. I really found the new patch very successful.

 

Mig-21 Headbutter

 

Same here.

Just like the last update too.

LN is working hard to fix bugs, i am observing that over the last months.

The 21 module is awesome.

It was my first and only module, and compared to FC3 modules this is a dream.

Thats why i will buy the F-14, even though i am not that interested in very modern airframes.

Im a fan of the Mig 21 and Starfighter era and machines, but i dont mind wrecking some Eagles with my good old R3Rs

 

Keep it up LN!

[wumas0201]

There is nothing to compare between mig-21 and f14 and what bugs or problems do you encounter. I really found the new patch very successful.

 

Mig-21 Headbutter

 

Bro. you love LN so much~~

by the way, is there any change for R13M1?? because it seems not useful like before.

[bbrz]

I am not aware of any major issues besides the AoA bug and the kneeboard at this time.

Opened a thread in the bug section 2 days ago about the jumping cockpit view which is a major issue, especially with the MiG 21 as the subtle VC shaking etc adds a lot to realism and immersion.

This jump always makes you assume that you have a serious landing gear/tire problem.

 

 

@Rodd, that's a strange one with the new low roll rate. Tried cycling the aileron hydro booster but it doesn't help. Without the booster the roll rate decreases even more.

Edited July 10, 2016 by bbrz

[BadHabit]

Bro. you love LN so much~~

 

Yeah I do cause they gave me the Mig-21 and I will love Razbam when they'll give me A-7E. :pilotfly:

However judge the F14 when you have it on your hands. Mig21 is no way to comparison and for a first job on DCS from LN you think they did a bad job?

 

by the way, is there any change for R13M1?? because it seems not useful like before.

Set up a good ambush and all the missiles work like they should :D

[dillio]

Hi Cobra! Once again we have a 19-page thread of bitching and crying appended to the changelog for the recent patch. This is unnecessary and totally inappropriate. The changelog is an important document, and may be updated by the official source (you in this case) in the days and weeks after the initial patch. The editorialization by children and fools SHOULD NOT be included in this thread. I just wanna know if the cockpit lights are ready yet, so I must sift through pages of babies crying that you didn't make their videogame right! WHERE ARE THE MODERATORS?!

I BEG YOU LNS to make your updates and changelogs as locked threads.

Once again I'll say: The majority of comments are civil and interesting, but again do not belong in the changelog. Nothing but the changelog should be in the changelog!

Thanks for reading.

Edited July 10, 2016 by dillio
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[RNeves]

Hi Cobra! Once again we have a 19-page thread of bitching and crying appended to the changelog for the recent patch. This is unnecessary and totally inappropriate. The changelog is an important document, and may be updated by the official source (you in this case) in the days and weeks after the initial patch. The editorialization by children and fools SHOULD NOT be included in this thread. I just wanna know if the cockpit lights are ready yet, so I must sift through pages of babies crying that you didn't make their videogame right! WHERE ARE THE MODERATORS?!

I BEG YOU LNS to make your updates and changelogs as locked threads.

Once again I'll say: The majority of comments are civil and interesting, but again do not belong in the changelog. Nothing but the changelog should be in the changelog!

Thanks for reading.

 

This...

 

I wouldn't say any better

[BIGNEWY]

Hi Cobra! Once again we have a 19-page thread of bitching and crying appended to the changelog for the recent patch. This is unnecessary and totally inappropriate. The changelog is an important document, and may be updated by the official source (you in this case) in the days and weeks after the initial patch. The editorialization by children and fools SHOULD NOT be included in this thread. I just wanna know if the cockpit lights are ready yet, so I must sift through pages of babies crying that you didn't make their videogame right! WHERE ARE THE MODERATORS?!

I BEG YOU LNS to make your updates and changelogs as locked threads.

Once again I'll say: The majority of comments are civil and interesting, but again do not belong in the changelog. Nothing but the changelog should be in the changelog!

Thanks for reading.

 

How Leatherneck manage their change log is up to them, but I agree information is easier to manage in a locked thread, it can be discussed still in another.

 

if you see a post that you think is breaking the forum rules use the report post function on the left of that post and the moderators will take a look at it.

[dillio]

Thanks for your reply, BIGNEWY. I understand that it is up to Leatherneck to decide how to post their updates. I hope they will hear my humble suggestion.

I understand also that moderators rely on the community to report inappropriate posts. I want to help! I honestly think that the ED forums at this point consist of about 5% abuse and about 85% well-meaning and civil, but totally off-topic posting. I just don't know how much it would help you for me to flag every off-topic post in this thread that consists entirely of off-topic posts, this one included!

The forums are quite unsearchable because every other OP turns into a 120-page omnibus military aviation thread. I really don't know what to suggest. These forums could sure use a "tagging" system to sort posts, but if every post gets every tag... you see the problem.

Mostly I don't care about the discussion, so if the official updates are posted in a locked thread then for me at least that solves the problem neatly and completely.

Well that's enough outta me.

[BIGNEWY]

There is a tagging system on the forum, it is not used enough.

 

but this is off topic, pm me if you wish to continue chatting.

 

Back on topic: MiG-21 1.5.4 Major Upgrade & Change log

[Golo]

I still think FM is too stable, oh how I miss the early version of the FM from 1.2.13-14 If I recall correctly.

It had everything, awesome spin oscialtions, inertial rotation (somewhat bugged tho), proper wing rocking at slow speeds and was generally more lively.

Now it does not have any of that.

If only I could have that version of FM back :cry: (even with its bugs).

[WinterH]

Anyone noticed that gun is now sounding the same as new SA-342L gun sound, or is it just on my end?

[bbrz]

I still think FM is too stable, oh how I miss the early version of the FM from 1.2.13-14 If I recall correctly.

It had everything, awesome spin oscialtions, inertial rotation (somewhat bugged tho), proper wing rocking at slow speeds and was generally more lively...

Too new to DCS so I don't know the FM prior to 1.5.3 but what I don't understand is, how is it possible that the FM has such dramatic changes, especially considering that AFAIK an actual MiG 21 pilot has designed the FM.

[Neuman]

I still think FM is too stable, oh how I miss the early version of the FM from 1.2.13-14 If I recall correctly.

It had everything, awesome spin oscialtions, inertial rotation (somewhat bugged tho), proper wing rocking at slow speeds and was generally more lively.

Now it does not have any of that.

If only I could have that version of FM back :cry: (even with its bugs).

 

FM has gone through many stages of developments after that. One of the great innovations have been well-configured roll rate+inertial rotation. But for some reason it was removed (i don't know why?!?!). In the current implementation MiG-21 became closer to the graphs from the flight manual, But a team of LNS are obviously very much loves the MiG-21 by adding to it some extra points for the properties of acceleration.

 

And finally the angle of attack, it's time to come to a compromise on this issue and to do something in this direction.

[Art-J]

Anyone noticed that gun is now sounding the same as new SA-342L gun sound, or is it just on my end?

 

Yep, they've changed the sample. I wish they chose different one though, as now it sounds as if it had much lower ROF than the real thing.

[Dugong]

how is it possible that the FM has such dramatic changes, especially considering that AFAIK an actual MiG 21 pilot has designed the FM.

 

I would guess (hope) it is more coding difficulties than lack of information, we've had quite a few wildy different flight models so far since i bought the module and IMHO it was the 1.2x version that felt the best (apart from the stores fell off the pylons when you even thought about touching the stick :megalol: )

[Art-J]

.... and apart from rubberband speed limit of Ma 2.05 we couldn't exceed, apart from wonky AoA behaviour at high speeds, apart from spins going into flat spins, which went supersonic and ended with explosion, apart from other things...

 

Let's not look at the 1.2.x times through rose-tinted glasses. The initial FM had its strong points, but it had equally many weak points and I wouldn't want to go back even if someone paid me. The current one seems to be good, just needs a few tweaks here and there.