**Bunyap Pre-Alpha Video - F-14 Carrier & More!**

[Donut]

Here's a real HUD tape to compare to:

 

Great video! You can really get a sense of how maneuverable the Tomcat is.

 

The refresh rate for most of the HUD is actually pretty good except for the TVV. It seems useless when perfoming any type of maneuver. I also noticed that the vertical velocity indication on the left side of the HUD seems to have limits of +1,500 to -1,500. On the video, it is hard to determine the altitude range for the radar altimeter on the right side of the HUD.

[Goldsmack]

The HUD will likely be even worse.

We haven't implemented some of the imprecision in the instrument during more demanding maneouvers.

 

It's possible, if people are getting motionsick, that we implement options to alleviate this in some way. That's a decision we can make in the future!

 

Here's a real HUD tape to compare to:

 

 

As I said in the you tube video...No compromises!!, It took me about 5mins to get use to it on the video. Great to see the attention to detail, good job Leatherneck!

[joey45]

I can see the bug threads now...

[MoGas]

[JaNk0]

Damn, he came really close to that F-5 in the second engagement!

I'm guessing ROE during training missions are much stricter these days?

[Eldur]

No words needed...

 

 

 

€dit:

 

The HUD will likely be even worse.

We haven't implemented some of the imprecision in the instrument during more demanding maneouvers.

 

It's possible, if people are getting motionsick, that we implement options to alleviate this in some way. That's a decision we can make in the future!

 

Here's a real HUD tape to compare to:

 

 

Ka-50 is worse, but it's not modelled. You raise the bar to higher standards

 

Probably most HUDs should actually lag, and the lag delays aren't the same for different elements of the dispay, as that "top down velocity vector" in the Shark lags a lot more than anything else

Edited September 18, 2016 by Eldur

[Badger1-1]

I bet everyone knows this one.

 

But its a B Version, so it should be pretty much what we will get :)

 

[T_A]

HUD refresh doesnt look so bad in youtube videos , but maybe thats just me as i`m used to flying RC FPV planes with HUDs like that ( google RVOSD and EagleTree OSD )

[drPhibes]

The F14 HUD isn't your primary flight instrument during normal flight maneuvers, so the slow refresh rate isn't a problem. The HUD is there to provide easy access to certain flight parameters when you take an occasional glance at the HUD while looking out through the windshield. I highly doubt that the F-14 is rated for CAT III blind landings, so you'll always be doing visual approaches within reasonable minima. At that stage of flight, a VVI that updates 1 or 10 times a second is irrelevant.

 

For A2A the story may be different, as the HUD is your primary instrument for stuff like the gun funnel etc.

[Tirak]

I highly doubt that the F-14 is rated for CAT III blind landings, so you'll always be doing visual approaches within reasonable minima. At that stage of flight, a VVI that updates 1 or 10 times a second is irrelevant.

 

For A2A the story may be different, as the HUD is your primary instrument for stuff like the gun funnel etc.

 

You could not possibly be more wrong:

 

On the HUD, it doesn't look so bad, just the FPM. I you look at the dogfight video it seems like the symbology lags behind a bit, but the refresh rate isn't bad except on that FPM.

[westr]

Everything I hoped for, when you first announced the F-14 I was praying that when carrier landings are implemented it wont be like current with the Su-33 and we would see real suspension travel. Knew you wouldn't let us down:thumbup:

 

Now I'm just praying for the LTS and LGB's :joystick:

[rrohde]

Everything I hoped for, when you first announced the F-14 I was praying that when carrier landings are implemented it wont be like current with the Su-33 and we would see real suspension travel. Knew you wouldn't let us down:thumbup:

 

As a side-note:, the current implementation of the Su33 is based on the "Simple Flight Model (SFM)", and both the ED Carrier Ops, as well as the SFM, will be upgraded soon, too. :thumbup:

[westr]

As a side-note:, the current implementation of the Su33 is based on the "Simple Flight Model (SFM)", and both the ED Carrier Ops, as well as the SFM, will be upgraded soon, too. :thumbup:

 

Yes I'm hoping that will improve the experience with the Su-33 especially when we get the new carriers. :)

[joey45]

I bet everyone knows this one.

 

But its a B Version, so it should be pretty much what we will get :)

 

 

Did not know they had MB seats..

[Donut]

I highly doubt that the F-14 is rated for CAT III blind landings, so you'll always be doing visual approaches within reasonable minima. At that stage of flight, a VVI that updates 1 or 10 times a second is irrelevant.

 

For A2A the story may be different, as the HUD is your primary instrument for stuff like the gun funnel etc.

 

You could not possibly be more wrong:

 

On the HUD, it doesn't look so bad, just the FPM. I you look at the dogfight video it seems like the symbology lags behind a bit, but the refresh rate isn't bad except on that FPM.

 

 

It looks like the HUD in the video is the SparrowHawk HUD and not the original one that we will be getting. I don't know if all the HUD information seen in that video will be available on the HUD that LN will be implementing. With the original HUD, it looks like the pilot would have to use the Horizontal Situation Display until at 3/4 mile, then transition to a visual approach and landing. With the ACLS (Automatic Carrier Landing System), the approach could be flown hands off by the autopilot. Without Autoland capability though, the pilot will still have to take over at 3/4 mile and use the Optical Landing System.

[Cobra847]

You could not possibly be more wrong:

 

On the HUD, it doesn't look so bad, just the FPM. I you look at the dogfight video it seems like the symbology lags behind a bit, but the refresh rate isn't bad except on that FPM.

 

That's not the A/B HUD.

 

It's the sparrowhawk.

[Tirak]

That's not the A/B HUD.

 

It's the sparrowhawk.

 

The point of my linked video isn't the hud, but the Automated Carrier Landing System, my comments on the HUD were in reference to the earlier F-5 dogfight video. Doesn't matter how bad or laggy the HUD is, so long as the ACLS is modeled, you can make a landing blindfolded once you set yourself up.

[Xenovia]

That's not the A/B HUD.

 

It's the sparrowhawk.

 

What is the B's HUD? cause all iv'e seen is that the F-14B uses the sparrow HUD

[Cobra847]

The point of my linked video isn't the hud, but the Automated Carrier Landing System, my comments on the HUD were in reference to the earlier F-5 dogfight video. Doesn't matter how bad or laggy the HUD is, so long as the ACLS is modeled, you can make a landing blindfolded once you set yourself up.

 

Gotcha!

 

What is the B's HUD? cause all iv'e seen is that the F-14B uses the sparrow HUD

 

B HUD is identical to A.

[madcat911]

Did not know they had MB seats..

 

All Tomcats have Martin Baker seats. GRU-7 in the A and B and SJU-17 NACES in the D.

[probad]

sniped

[Eihort]

Nao pls.

 

[BlackLion213]

Also, one thing I noticed during the Bunyap video is that the nosewheel tow bar dropped when the nosewheel strut compressed on touchdown.

 

At least under normal conditions (as far as I've seen), the nosewheel strut is independent of the tow bar.

 

Here is a nice video of the nose gear in action (head to 7:38 ):

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7kgVlaVFb4

 

The touchdown in the video may have been special circumstances, but I figure it's worth mentioning. Loved the video BTW!

 

-Nick

 

PS - the above youtube video has lots of great classic USN landing/catapult footage from the late-70s - lots of colorful Tomcats. :)

Edited September 20, 2016 by BlackLion213

[SkateZilla]

Also, one thing I noticed during the Bunyap video is that the nosewheel tow bar dropped when the nosewheel strut compressed on touchdown.

 

At least under normal conditions (as far as I've seen), the nosewheel strut is independent of the tow bar.

 

Here is a nice video of the nose gear in action (head to 7:38 ):

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7kgVlaVFb4

 

The touchdown in the video may have been special circumstances, but I figure it's worth mentioning. Loved the video BTW!

 

-Nick

 

PS - the above youtube video has lots of great classic USN landing/catapult footage from the late-70s - lots of colorful Tomcats. :)

 

Likely just animation issue.

 

IIRC there's a separate animation for the Towbar/Launch Bar.

[NineLine]

So that is nice, but it still looks like December 2018. Actually this press release has even less tangible news than the others. It is a small clip of the landing looped over and over again and most of the 8 minutes in the video is filler.

 

That whole f14 was supposed to be out "second half" 2016.

 

cobra in september 2015

 

Certainly looks like something farther along than a module that will be released in 2018, but who knows, maybe you will be right. F-14 has to be a pretty complex module with lots of hidden challenges, I would love to fly it today complete, but I am sure I can wait till they are ready to release it, sun will still come up tomorrow if I dont get it right now.