ED Team NineLine Posted December 9, 2016 ED Team Share Posted December 9, 2016 Haha this starts to get out of hand. Perhaps someone should step in and straight things out! This is not constructive for anyone LN, ED, consumers. Skickat från min D5803 via Tapatalk Nothing to straighten out, its not ready for release yet. ED has returned a list of things that needs to be addressed, that testing is still on going. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helikopter Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Nothing to straighten out, its not ready for release yet. ED has returned a list of things that needs to be addressed, that testing is still on going. For sure, just want folks to settle down abit. Stop begging! It will be released and we will enjoy. Meanwhile enjoy DCS with all its already fine modules. Skickat från min D5803 via Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfranky Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Nothing to straighten out, its not ready for release yet. Exactly. My initial statement was merely that LN said the release would be "very soon". That was more than two weeks ago. Hence, "very soon" >= "two weeks". Never implied anything just stating that none of us knows when it will be released. A warrior's mission is to foster the success of others. i9-12900K | MSI RTX 3080Ti Suprim X | 128 GB Ram 3200 MHz DDR-4 | MSI MPG Edge Z690 | Samung EVO 980 Pro SSD | Virpil Stick, Throttle and Collective | MFG Crosswind | HP Reverb G2 RAT - On the Range - Rescue Helo - Recovery Tanker - Warehouse - Airboss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra847 Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) A couple of things everyone: 1. I'm not sure if I ever said 2 weeks after announcement- we'd release. The intention was/is to get it out a few weeks after, yes-- but we don't know an exact date just yet. You'll be the first to know. 2. Minor bugs and polishing are no surprise. This is a very complex module, and it's important that we try and polish as much as possible before announcing a feasible release date. That said though; tune in tomorrow for the grudgematch. We'll be flying the AJS-37 in multiplayer combat-- and shortly afterwards we will begin publishing in-depth systems and other videos on the aircraft (Startup, Navigation, Ground Radar- etc.). Starting now with the Viggen- we're focusing on being more transparent than ever, and we'll keep you as best informed as we can. It goes without saying that we are exhausted. Mentally and physically. Crunches do that to you. Christmas is an incredibly important sales period, but I have trust in that a good module is more important than arbitrary dates. Stay tuned! Edited December 9, 2016 by Cobra847 Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il_corleone Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 We appreciate it Cobra, things are clear now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helikopter Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Thanks Cobra! Skickat från min D5803 via Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmmslash Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) Appreciate the communication. I know some folks get ornery, but you do great work and we're all just very excited. Edited December 9, 2016 by Mmmslash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beamscanner Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 No one "lied" to you. This is the kind of stuff that drives me nuts. You're not owed anything. There is no magic deadline that LNS needs to meet to satisfy your wants OR ELSE. Things said months ago are obviously subject to change. Not taking a stance on this either way, but not owing someone something does not mean that you couldn't have lied to them. You're trying to relate two separate things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tirak Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Exactly. My initial statement was merely that LN said the release would be "very soon". That was more than two weeks ago. Hence, "very soon" >= "two weeks". Never implied anything just stating that none of us knows when it will be released. Well no they said they sent it to QA at ED. Now traditionally it takes around 2-4 weeks for a module to get greenlit from ED's QA process, so long as everything goes to plan. It then goes on presale for around 4-6 weeks, during which time keys are generated, ect. So realistically, at the earliest it would be 6 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firmek Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 A couple of things everyone:1. I'm not sure if I ever said 2 weeks after announcement- we'd release. The intention was/is to get it out a few weeks after, yes-- but we don't know an exact date just yet. You'll be the first to know. 2. Minor bugs and polishing are no surprise. This is a very complex module, and it's important that we try and polish as much as possible before announcing a feasible release date. That said though; tune in tomorrow for the grudgematch. We'll be flying the AJS-37 in multiplayer combat-- and shortly afterwards we will begin publishing in-depth systems and other videos on the aircraft (Startup, Navigation, Ground Radar- etc.). Starting now with the Viggen- we're focusing on being more transparent than ever, and we'll keep you as best informed as we can. It goes without saying that we are exhausted. Mentally and physically. Crunches do that to you. Christmas is an incredibly important sales period, but I have trust in that a good module is more important than arbitrary dates. Stay tuned! Much appreciated :thumbup:. Just take the necessary time to polish the module and keep everyone updated. It's always better and fair and communicate that some more fine tuning is required than keeping people in the dark which always creates unnecessary noise. Especially that it looks that Viggen managed to turn on a lot of people which may not have been so much into it from the very beggining :) Good luck tomorrow splashing 21s :thumbup: F/A-18, F-16, F-14, M-2000C, A-10C, AV-8B, AJS-37 Viggen, F-5E-3, F-86F, MiG-21bis, MiG-15bis, L-39 Albatros, C-101 Aviojet, P-51D, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, Bf 109 4-K, UH-1H, Mi-8, Ka-50, NTTR, Normandy, Persian Gulf... and not enough time to fully enjoy it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcshobbis Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 That said though; tune in tomorrow for the grudgematch. We'll be flying the AJS-37 in multiplayer combat-- and shortly afterwards we will begin publishing in-depth systems and other videos on the aircraft (Startup, Navigation, Ground Radar- etc.). Starting now with the Viggen- we're focusing on being more transparent than ever, and we'll keep you as best informed as we can. Thanks Cobra! I'm looking forward to the Grudge Match :-) You got it all there. For me it's more important to get a product with quality, and it's important to keep the audience updated on progress when it's announced. The release itself will come when it's ready :) ED I believe is not the best communicator out there. A simple agenda or a forecast that is regurlarly updated as they go, is sufficient. No need to put in specific dates, just go with month or quarter, and draw the guess plan and change it as it goes depending on what happens... Get some sleep LN team! You need it :D ! Crush the Fishbeds! ;) Regards HoBBiS Simpit: i7 8700k, 64GB RAM, Geforce RTX 2080 TI, Oculus Rift-S, Grip: Virpil Constellation Alpha. Throttle: Virpil Mongoos T-50CM2 all mounted on a IKEA office chair with the Monstertech office chair kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DistantStatic Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 It is up to ED to test and decide if its ready to release. That doesnt mean ED is holding it back because of anything other than its not ready enough to go. If the Viggen is not released yet, its because the module isnt ready. I have seen the results of some of ED's testing and I know that it still needs more work yet. You all just need to try and be more patient and not try and find a conspiracy theory in every event... There's no conspiracy theory here. If you're referring to the claims about how delays and silence affect market performance it's simply knowing how markets operate (heck just look at recent prominent game releases although every situation is different it is not hard to see how lessons learned from them apply). I forgot to multiquote here (and I'm ridiculously lazy) But, delays create frustration, and you don't wanna bite the hand that feeds (ie. the paying consumer that makes all that year's work worth it. not sure if they turn a profit or not but the less of a profit it turns the more every dollar counts towards paying back all that time they spent away from their lives). In reality all I'm trying to say here is when big name modules like the F-14 and F-18 come about they will make a big splash, not just in our little niche gaming community. The F-14 is highly iconic in pop culture and its quite possible these releases may bring in new players to our small community of simmer (especially our even smaller community of combat simmers!). If said people were interested on buying the products it is a very real possibility (understatement) they'll forget it even exists. Also taking into account of advertising algorithms work, unless they keep coming back and accessing information based on a plane or sim within a certain amount of time, that news phases out of their ad scope which means it becomes increasingly more difficult to reach those consumers. All in all I'm not saying its easy for a small 3rd party developer to implement all these things and find that fine line between worst case scenario and best case scenario release time-frames or even how to market they product as effectively as other game industries can where there is money to pay for dedicated marketing specialists who dig through data all day. In fact, its I've been highly impressed with the amount of work each of these developer teams have been able to do (and thankful too!! :joystick::pilotfly:) I'm just saying what's going on now isn't working and offered some insight to a fellow forum poster. Sidenote: I've also realized I've turned to writing ridiculously long and detailed posts rather than lurking. But I'm just going to attribute that to my love for flying (all I do nowadays is fly planes, make music, and program) :helpsmilie: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 10, 2016 ED Team Share Posted December 10, 2016 Well no they said they sent it to QA at ED. Now traditionally it takes around 2-4 weeks for a module to get greenlit from ED's QA process, so long as everything goes to plan. It then goes on presale for around 4-6 weeks, during which time keys are generated, ect. So realistically, at the earliest it would be 6 weeks. Lets remember too that the Viggen is probably the most complex module, system wise, since the A-10C, Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven68 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Christmas is an incredibly important sales period, but I have trust in that a good module is more important than arbitrary dates. Stay tuned! This is true. A lot of us were counting on it during that time since there is usually a few days off during the holidays in addition to plant shutdowns all over, but no pressure though. :) Intel i5-9600K @ 3.7GHz Gigabyte Z370XP SLI Mobo G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 2070 8GB 256-Bit GDDR6(Assume the latest driver version) Thermaltake Water 3.0 Certified Liquid Cooling System Windows 10 Professional Oculus Rift-S /TrackIR 5 in case VR dies Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog w/ Thrustmaster T-Flight Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoBlue Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 some sort of expectation, reduced frustrations after day-to-day checking for news Subliminally reduces the reality of the product at the same time hype goes down. Especially with silence, the standing of the developer goes down. This built up demoralization ends up making the "hype-leak" larger and draining more hype from the community. In the ends this ends up with more headaches for everyone with no benefit in the end (if anything more negatives). In the end this conditions the consumer to be frustrated from the time from announcement for development down to the actual release date with sharp increases during these times of delays. I'd rather be an informed and slightly disappointed consumer than frustrated and left in the dark. I forgot to multiquote here (and I'm ridiculously lazy) But, delays create frustration, and you don't wanna bite the hand that feeds (ie. the paying consumer that makes all that year's work worth it. not sure if they turn a profit or not but the less of a profit it turns the more every dollar counts towards paying back all that time they spent away from their lives). You took the words of my mouth, well put! Cobra fails to understand basic marketing strategy & customer relations. The goodwill of LN's is at it's lowest point right now. -- and shortly afterwards we will begin publishing in-depth systems and other videos on the aircraft (Startup, Navigation, Ground Radar- etc.). Starting now with the Viggen- we're focusing on being more transparent than ever, and we'll keep you as best informed as we can. It goes without saying that we are exhausted. Mentally and physically. Crunches do that to you. We heard the same too many times before. Why should we believe this now? For me those words have 0 credibility right now. 1:st, the frustration has never been about giving the release date! It has always been about you not standing by your words. Repeatedly you've given promises to the community of forthcoming development updates, that have never materialized. I thought the "Viggen release week" would change things around here, but it's been an absolute anticlimax & the hype is gone for me. You promised us an "first in-depth looks at the Viggen systems, functionality" past weekend & you didn't deliver.....again! A simple forum post of just explaining why it was scratched, would have made it a no "big deal". Instead you ignored the community. In the same manner as you've done so many times before. Very disrespectful & unprofessional. Worst is that you keep doing it over & over again. That's were all the frustration comes from! In my book a man who doesn't adhere to his promises can't be trusted! 1 i7 8700k@4.7, 1080ti, DDR4 32GB, 2x SSD , HD 2TB, W10, ASUS 27", TrackIr5, TMWH, X-56, GProR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myHelljumper Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Ok see ya around :) Helljumper - M2000C Guru Helljumper's Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK3rTjezLUxPbWHvJJ3W2fA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLion213 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 A couple of things everyone: 1. I'm not sure if I ever said 2 weeks after announcement- we'd release. The intention was/is to get it out a few weeks after, yes-- but we don't know an exact date just yet. You'll be the first to know. 2. Minor bugs and polishing are no surprise. This is a very complex module, and it's important that we try and polish as much as possible before announcing a feasible release date. That said though; tune in tomorrow for the grudgematch. We'll be flying the AJS-37 in multiplayer combat-- and shortly afterwards we will begin publishing in-depth systems and other videos on the aircraft (Startup, Navigation, Ground Radar- etc.). Starting now with the Viggen- we're focusing on being more transparent than ever, and we'll keep you as best informed as we can. It goes without saying that we are exhausted. Mentally and physically. Crunches do that to you. Christmas is an incredibly important sales period, but I have trust in that a good module is more important than arbitrary dates. Stay tuned! Thank you for the update. I am also quite excited about the systems videos and hope to see them soon. The Grudge match also sounds cool, though it will be starting at the same time as my Mother in-laws Birthday lunch....I am now considering a serious case of "gastroenteritis"...:music_whistling: -Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra847 Posted December 10, 2016 Author Share Posted December 10, 2016 (edited) You took the words of my mouth, well put! Cobra fails to understand basic marketing strategy & customer relations. The goodwill of LN's is at it's lowest point right now. We heard the same too many times before. Why should we believe this now? For me those words have 0 credibility right now. 1:st, the frustration has never been about giving the release date! It has always been about you not standing by your words. Repeatedly you've given promises to the community of forthcoming development updates, that have never materialized. I thought the "Viggen release week" would change things around here, but it's been an absolute anticlimax & the hype is gone for me. You promised us an "first in-depth looks at the Viggen systems, functionality" past weekend & you didn't deliver.....again! A simple forum post of just explaining why it was scratched, would have made it a no "big deal". Instead you ignored the community. In the same manner as you've done so many times before. Very disrespectful & unprofessional. Worst is that you keep doing it over & over again. That's were all the frustration comes from! In my book a man who doesn't adhere to his promises can't be trusted! In the span of 11 days, we will have published/released the following: One announcement trailer One gameplay swizzle reel, 30+ screenshots One night flying video the weekend that you bold above. (perhaps it can be argued that it is of questionable depth, I prioritized the night video over cold start, but I certainly did not ignore anyone) A 520 comment Reddit AUA session where we answered dozens of in-depth Viggen questions 3 random screenshots (2 of the ground radar and 1 of the RBS-15) Viggen makes it's debut in a livestreamed multiplayer match. A bunch of developer posts scattered about I really didn't expect anyone to be upset with this sort of density. It's not like it's going to taper off, it's going to ramp up-- but we can't do more without running ourselves into the ground. It's not a trivial amount of work to just shoot and publish a simple start-up video. Edited December 10, 2016 by Cobra847 1 Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
104th_Cobra Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 For the whiners, complaining that the world don't make turns around them: get a life. 104th Cobra [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 10, 2016 ED Team Share Posted December 10, 2016 For the whiners, complaining that the world don't make turns around them: get a life. Ok guys from both sides, time to calm down. Rules still apply. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughlb Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Take your time Nick and team, we appreciate the hard work. get it to the point you're happy with for release. And make sure you spend time with families over Christmas / New Year :) | Windows 10 | I7 4790K @ 4.4ghz | Asus PG348Q | Asus Strix 1080TI | 16GB Corsair Vengeance 2400 DDR3 | Asrock Fatal1ty Z97 | Samsung EVO 850 500GB (x2) | SanDisk 240GB Extreme Pro | Coolermaster Vanguard S 650Watt 80+ | Fractal Design R4 | VirPil T-50 | MFG Crosswind Graphite | KW-908 JetSeat Sim Edition | TrackIR 5 | [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmijnen Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Patience is a virtue :) Modules: too many System: I7-7700K, GTX 2080 Super, 64GB DDR4, 500GB SSD, 3TB HDD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangi Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 New post by Cobra up. https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=178620 PC: 6600K @ 4.5 GHz, 12GB RAM, GTX 970, 32" 2K monitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il_corleone Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Okey guys, everything has been explained by Cobra already so any doubts from before are here no more. We thougth about one release date by the "it will be ready soon after that" now that has been explained, everything is clear. Eager to see it tonight on the match! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickeEinSweden Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 It's a lot of different info comming in our way and we appreciate it all. Keep up the good work Cobra (and LN team). Ignore the few "whining nails". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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