Vincent90 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 My fav by far these days. +1 Each time I want to 'just fly', I take the MiG-15. It is just such a pleasure to be in that cockpit, and that FM never gets boring. :) The MiG-19 has some pretty big shoes to fill, can't wait for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firmek Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 The question would be what are the criterias that would allow to quantify "which DCS module has the best flight model". Other than that the discussion will be just purelly subjective, leaning towards what "I like and enjoy to fly" more. F/A-18, F-16, F-14, M-2000C, A-10C, AV-8B, AJS-37 Viggen, F-5E-3, F-86F, MiG-21bis, MiG-15bis, L-39 Albatros, C-101 Aviojet, P-51D, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, Bf 109 4-K, UH-1H, Mi-8, Ka-50, NTTR, Normandy, Persian Gulf... and not enough time to fully enjoy it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVgamer72 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 My opinion (I am not a real pilot) 1. Mi-8 - You can feel/sense the weight and size as you toss it around, and it is pure joy to fly and manage the systems. I feel very involved when I fly the Mi-8, and I am rarely taken out of the experience and reminded that it is just a video game. 2. Huey - Very close the Mi-8, but it feels just a hair less "weighty". It is by far my favorite module in DCS, and the most fun you can have with your clothes on in VR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dan Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 My favourite plane to fly at the moment is the M2000C. I'm more into A/G so i'm a little surprised how much fun i have with this module. Easy to fly in most circumstances but try A/A refuling :joystick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmidtfire Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Best is very subjective. I would say that the majority has a fantastic FM! For me the MiG-21 has a feeling of flight that is really great. If you pull too hard on the stick you can actually feel it slipping through the air. It might not be the most accurate FM (high AoA etc), but it feels like you are flying. Least favourite: Hawk. It's fun to take out for a spin once in a while but the performance are way off the charts and not realistic in my opinion, no problem to pull 30(!) G's :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostie Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 I don't think anyone has mentioned the Su25 vanilla which is an absolute peach to fly compared to the 25T, never tire of flying the Frogfoot. "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 51st PVO "BISONS" Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apolloace Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Only one person mentioned the A10C. I am surprised, because the A10C is supposed to be the most realistic of all the DCS aircrafts. I only fly the Su25T & A10C, so between them, the A10C will definitely get my vote. :) Also, I am unable to comment on the other aircrafts, as I do not own them, nor have I tried the P-51D. I think we need some veterans to sort this thing out. Rig - I7-9700K/GIGABYTE Z390D/RTX-2080 SUPER/32-GB CORSAIR VENGEANCE RAM/1-TB SSD Mods - A10C / F18C / AV8B / Mig21 / Su33 / SC / F14B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIKBELL Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 I enjoy the F-86 and F-5 the most. There are 2 categories of fighter pilots: those who have performed, and those who someday will perform, a magnificent defensive break turn toward a bug on the canopy. Robert Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tflash Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 I don't think anyone has mentioned the Su25 vanilla which is an absolute peach to fly compared to the 25T, never tire of flying the Frogfoot. I second that, the vanilla Frog is an absolute joy to fly! Others I really like to fly are F-5E, Mirage, P-51D. I must confess though that I fly them like an airliner, I almost never search for the flight boundaries and keep it very safe. Viggen seems a future winner to me, but FM isn't final yet so I shouldn't include it here. At the moment turn performance is abysmal. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msalama Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 the A10C is supposed to be the most realistic of all the DCS aircrafts. Well I'd say the Mi-8 is the most realistic, actually. The FM is unsurpassed and the systems are accurately modelled as well. Folks say it still misses some features (the bombsight etc.), but IMO, it's the best of them all regardless. Just my £0.0002 though :) The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViFF Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) I would say the best modeled FM is that of the L-39. The FMs of the Belsimtek modules are all very good, all are a pure joy to fly and very well deliver the "suspension of disbelief" experience especially the UH-1 and the Mi-8 FMs. If there is one thing that is missing from the modelling across the breadth of DCS modules I'd say its the compressor stalls for fighters that can reach high AoA. Some module specific issues I notice in the last few updates: The FM of the MiG-21 used to "feel" very good but currently since the last couple of updates seems porked with regards to behavior in high AoA and roll rate inertia - hopefully will be fixed (it used to feel spot-on!). The FM of the Spitfire feels good but the ease at which the lateral forces cause the wing scraping the ground seems too much exaggerated - hopefully will be fixed since its a still beta. IMHO the worst modeled FMs are the Hawk and the Gazelle. S! Edited March 26, 2017 by ViFF IAF.ViFF http://www.preflight.us Israel's Combat Flight Sim Community Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focha Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Pure flying? Hawk... Seconded by the Mirage. Helicopters definitely the Huey. Though Gazelle and Mi-8 are fantastic, as well. :dunno: Sorry I have to intervene. Although I agree that Mi-8 and Huey feels extremely well regarding helicopter FM, Gazelle lacks a lot in that department! Gazelle team has to work a bit on the FM because there are inconsistencies regarding FM and what a helicopter should react to pilot inputs. ASUS N552VX | i7-6700HQ @ 2.59GHz | 16 GB DDR3 | NVIDIA GF GTX 950M 4 Gb | 250 Gb SSD | 1 Tb HD SATA II Backup | TIR4 | Microsoft S. FF 2+X52 Throttle+Saitek Pedals | Win 10 64 bits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myHelljumper Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Sorry I have to intervene. Although I agree that Mi-8 and Huey feels extremely well regarding helicopter FM, Gazelle lacks a lot in that department! Gazelle team has to work a bit on the FM because there are inconsistencies regarding FM and what a helicopter should react to pilot inputs. That is your thoughts on this, some may disagree :). It can't be that bad, otherwise I don't think the ALAT would use it for training ;). Improvements can be made for sure but we have to remember that the Huey FM wasn't perfect on day one and, even if it's really good, it can still be improved :). Helljumper - M2000C Guru Helljumper's Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK3rTjezLUxPbWHvJJ3W2fA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focha Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) That is your thoughts on this, some may disagree :). It can't be that bad, otherwise I don't think the ALAT would use it for training ;). Improvements can be made for sure but we have to remember that the Huey FM wasn't perfect on day one and, even if it's really good, it can still be improved :). Sorry mate, can you put me in contact with some ALAT folks? Because if they say the FM is ok... Then it goes against all my life. :) You don't have to remind me that the Huey FM was not perfect before final. What I commented, was the conviction that Gazelle FM is good. It is not. And if I say it is not, it's because I have some background and experience to say it isn't. I really have hopes that they fix what it's not realistic in terms of helicopter flight dynamics. Right now, sometimes it feels like a scripted FM to be honest. But I agree with you, it's not final. What I was commenting was regarding the assumptions made that the Gazelle FM is ok. I cannot speak about airplanes, but I can speak a bit about helicopters. Cheers mate. PM: Also I went to the Helljumper's Youtube channel, I don't know if it's yours or not but I was reading the VRS statements and the little experiment with FM. Everyone knows VRS in the helicopter industry, it's not easy to get into VRS in real life, unless some conditions are present or you try to put the helicopter in those conditions. Those conditions must be avoided by the pilot. I never entered fully developed VRS but I have experience the initial VRS. I can say that it is represented by a lack of forces in the cyclic (cyclic is not so effective) plus a great rate of descent which is increased if you increase collective, to the point where if deep VRS state is encounter, some defend that you cannot recover the flight even by using cyclic or collective, because by that time your whole rotor disk is stalled. So the little video you have made, it can be representative of VRS initial state or not, because the collective is lower to enter VRS, so you have the right initial conditions, lack of forward speed and a descent rate more that 300~500 ft/m. I would say it is the initial VRS state, but the guy in the video did not increase the collective to see if the situation was aggravated, so you cannot take any conclusion from that like the guy who posted the video wanted to show. So... My point is: it would be great for this community if people who lack experience did not try to defend or comment on things that are wrong or that they lack enough experience or knowledge to comment. Because in the end we all lose. Regards. Edited March 27, 2017 by Focha More information. ASUS N552VX | i7-6700HQ @ 2.59GHz | 16 GB DDR3 | NVIDIA GF GTX 950M 4 Gb | 250 Gb SSD | 1 Tb HD SATA II Backup | TIR4 | Microsoft S. FF 2+X52 Throttle+Saitek Pedals | Win 10 64 bits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearfoot Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 As an aside: OP, IMHO, your use of the word "best" is confusing. It can be taken to mean "most authentic", and, in fact, is probably the most common interpretation. You clarify in your post "The question should not be interpreted as in "the most realistic" (that's kind of hard to judge for most of us) but instead which module you think feels the best in the air and is most enjoyable to fly", sure. But forums being forums, many people read the title and then jump in to post. Most fun to fly (as in PURE flight, not taking into account combat or avionics): P-51D, Huey, Gazelle, F-5E, Mirage. Most fun to fly in missions: Gazelle, Huey, F-5E Other modules I have and have experience with but did not make the list: A-10C (very well modeled in every aspect, but I find the flying itself to be not so fun --- easy and not so thrilling --- while the typical CAS mission profile, i.e. loiter around and then pound things, gets a little stale Ka-50 (as the A-10C, probably one of the best modeled in terms of both flight and systems; but, as with the A-10C, flying is easy, especially compared to other helos. Love them mission profiles, for sure, but for some reason never got into it so much.) Mi-8 (one of the greats, but whenever I want a transport helo, the Huey gets my love; no reason for this but personal emotion) F-86 (is actually great fun to fly and probably fight, but never really spent much time with it to like it); A-10A, F-15C, Su-27 (could never get into FC3 a/c; but Su-27 is the most beautiful jet fighter ever built); Bf-109 (actually my choice of WW2 warbird, but somehow not as pleasurable to just fly as the P-51); FW-190 (great bird and, like the Bf-109, very well-modeled, but just not my choice); Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myHelljumper Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) Wow no need to be agressive... The video was done as an answer to some who said there was no VRS at all. I understand that it can be not accurate but there is something. I do agree with you, I don't have all the keys, you don't have all the keys, only the ALATs pilots might have them and they are effectively using the DCS Gazelle as well as their military simulator. (You don't have to trust me, but you can trust him : https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3052052&postcount=110) Since i'm close to a Polychop consultant I know stuff on the DCS gazelle development that you don't, since you are a real helicopter pilot you know stuff on helicopters that I don't. I think we can help each others to understand the problem but we all have to show respect. Sorry but your post looked very agressive to me with the lack of experience stuff.... Edited March 27, 2017 by myHelljumper Helljumper - M2000C Guru Helljumper's Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK3rTjezLUxPbWHvJJ3W2fA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focha Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) Wow no need to be agressive... The video was done as an answer to some who said there was no VRS at all. I understand that it can be not accurate but there is something. I do agree with you, I don't have all the keys, you don't have all the keys, only the ALATs pilots might have them and they are effectively using the DCS Gazelle as well as their military simulator. (You don't have to trust me, but you can trust him : https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3052052&postcount=110) Since i'm close to a Polychop consultant I know stuff on the DCS gazelle development that you don't, since you are a real helicopter pilot you know stuff on helicopters that I don't. I think we can help each others to understand the problem but we all have to show respect. Sorry but your post looked very agressive to me with the lack of experience stuff.... Sure, I was not trying to be aggressive. Sorry for that if it felt that way. I have described a few dynamics that the Gazelle shouldn't do (even with fenestron, a conventional helicopter is a conventional helicopter) but I am sure that those issues are going to be effectively better in the future, first because I and others have had already the opportunity to write about those issues in the appropriate part of the forum and secondly because Polychop acknowledged it and already said that would be improved. Also, and forgive me about this, in my humble opinion it does not mean much to say that ALAT uses the simulator. For what purpose the simulator is used? You know that you have levels of simulators in the real world. In some of those, the FM is truly terrible, really bad! In which you can only train operational/instruments procedures. I once was in a professional helicopter simulator that it was really bad regarding FM and in the end it didn't served any purpose at all, or at least the intended purpose. After certification I think it was rated as EASA FNPT instead of intended FTD. Don't remember the levels, sorry. Back on topic. Maybe the problem is in the question on this thread and some answers given here. After all it was asked for the best FM and I think that is a bit subjective. Again myHelljumper, sorry if I felt aggressive, it was not my intention, but sometimes, in this community, there are some people that think they have technical/experience knowledge to talk about some specific things, like for example, FM and probably I was a bit on the preconception side of things when I read your first post. I have to agree with what Bearfoot said in the first paragraph. I could say that each and every helicopter or plane in DCS is unique in some way. And that it is really difficult to answer the question's post with only one module. That depends what kind of aircraft do you like to fly and which era. Don't get me wrong in the Gazelle, I think it is a great work of art. And its a lot of fun online with a proper human gunner or yourself as a gunner. I don't really like the questions as it is in this thread. All are good depending one what you are looking for. Edited March 27, 2017 by Focha Spelling ASUS N552VX | i7-6700HQ @ 2.59GHz | 16 GB DDR3 | NVIDIA GF GTX 950M 4 Gb | 250 Gb SSD | 1 Tb HD SATA II Backup | TIR4 | Microsoft S. FF 2+X52 Throttle+Saitek Pedals | Win 10 64 bits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1966 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Try the tail draggers, they will give you a whole different outlook on flight! :smartass::helpsmilie::pilotfly::joystick::mad: We are Virtual Pilots, a growing International Squad of pilots, we fly Allies in WWII and Red Force in Korea and Modern combat. We are recruiting like minded people of all Nationalities and skill levels. http://virtual-pilots.com/ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitness88 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 (edited) This just got added to the update this week...does this mean the AJS-37 now has an all English cockpit? 'Added customized cockpit support (EN Cockpit incoming!)' Has anyone tried this all English mod...how is it? https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=183175 Edited April 1, 2017 by fitness88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weta43 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Try the tail draggers, they will give you a whole different outlook on flight! :smartass::helpsmilie::pilotfly::joystick::mad: Flight ? Not so sure... Takeoff & landing - it becomes immediately obvious why designers adopted the nose wheel Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weta43 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 The Su-27 and Su-33 work fine with my old MSFFB II, as does the Mi-8 Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHzlwd Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 For me it is the Ka50. It took a long time to master this unit but, having done so, it became an obsession I can't get enough of. A fixed wing just seems very boring by comparison. I7-2600K@4322 MHz / Asus P8Z77 Deluxe EVGA GeForce1080 SC Video Samsung EVO 850 SSD / Dell U2711 monitor@2560X1440 Saitek X55 "Rhino" / Logitech G510 Win 10 Pro 64 bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikey Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Sure is a tricky question. I think i find the more enjoyable FM's are where you get a good sense of inertia, or can feel the characteristics of the particular airframe as might be expected according to specific features. So that said, as a yardstick, i find the FM's of newer planes, especially those with additional handling simplifications are less able to provide an interesting characterstic. Except perhaps the SU-27, which does feel heavy and floaty. Of the helicopters Mi8, then Huey, then Ka50. Of jets, Mig 15, Su27, Mig-21 then F-5 and A-10C. Of Props, the 109 over the Spit and 190 and P51. All of the ones I listed are somewhat down to the plane rather than the modelling of it...for example the A-10C is such a well behaved model that it get's personally penalised for being a bit easy and lacking some accelearation, which isn't a fair judgement to the quality of the FM. The Mig15 is because its a bit dangerous under certain conditions. Is it fair I dislike the L-39C for being a bit underpowered? No, it's not fair even though it has been challenging. Is it fair to leave Mirage and F-15C out? No, bu they are a bit 'point and click' compared to a prop and I prefer the feelings of the others. Why 109 over Spit? I like the power and fighting it. Realistically there is only one FM I dislike and it's shrouded in speculation, and then the Viggen which has some elements over time that are disapponting whcih I won't go into. Even the Hawk is half decent and has a good feeling, but again feels a little simple and gets penalised on a subjective performance issue related to the plane itself. I lean to the props though because the behaviour is more complex, they take more effort to fly and when you lack jet power they show you more about flying in a more obvious and unforgiving way. But Mig-15 probably has the nicest personal subjective mix of ludicrous speed, danger but great handling all wrapped into one. It's probably the plane itself. I'm more of a flying fan than a specific airframe fan. If it's quirky I love it. If it killed me, I love it more. ___________________________________________________________________________ SIMPLE SCENERY SAVING * SIMPLE GROUP SAVING * SIMPLE STATIC SAVING * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 There is no BEST Flight model. They are simply all different. The Mirage has a FBW soooo for me its the most boring one to fly. "Blyat Naaaaa" - Izlom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallberries Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Well, that about covers it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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