Eurofighter Typhoon

[Neon]

Now that it’s no longer being held up by a company that will never make it can someone please make a module?

 

 

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[Evoman]

For any military aircraft to be considered for a DCS module it first must be declassified to be able to get all of the necessary data. And given how the Eurofighter is still a fairly new fighter in active service there it is still very much classified. So it will have to wait untill it becomes retired and declassifed for there to be any chance of it coming to a fully fidelity module. And that applies to any modern Gen 4 + jet. So forget about jets like the F-22 and F-35 for the next 20-30 years.

[Capn kamikaze]

^^ That's not true, the A-10 and many other aircraft in DCS, and coming soon to DCS are still in service, and that includes gen 4 aircraft.

 

Classified stuff will simply be left out and approximated instead of simulated.

[Buzzles]

ED got the information for the A-10 from having a military contract though.

The Eurofighter is classified, mostly because it is the top front line fighter in the airforces that have it. VEAO at least had a contract with the RAF and access to the aircraft+pilots.

 

If you approximate too much as you don't have the info, at what point does it stop being at DCS standards for an PFM/ASM?

 

Of course, doesn't mean it's insurmountable, as a third party might have better luck with another EU airforce rather than the RAF.

 

My personal feeling is also that it wouldn't actually fit into DCS. We'll definitely not get a US equivalent (F-22/35), nor a Russian counterpart (Mig-35/Su-57). So it'd outclass every other airframe in DCS.

Edited September 29, 2017 by Buzzles
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[Northstar98]

ED got the information for the A-10 from having a military contract through.

The Eurofighter is classified, mostly because it is the top front line fighter in the airforces that have it. VEAO at least had a contract with the RAF and access to the aircraft+pilots.

 

If you approximate too much as you don't have the info, at what point does it stop being at DCS standards for an PFM/ASM?

 

Of course, doesn't mean it's insurmountable, as a third party might have better luck with another EU airforce rather than the RAF.

 

My personal feeling is also that it wouldn't actually fit into DCS. We'll definitely not get a US equivalent (F-22/35), nor a Russian counterpart (Mig-35/Su-57). So it'd outclass every other airframe in DCS.

 

I agree entirely with every point you make Buzzles, as much as I'd like to see a Eurofighter Typhoon it would:

• Outclass near enough every other fighter in DCS
  
• Has too many classified systems, and DCS is about ultimate realism - literally as close as you can get on a home PC, if we start approximating everything we'll just end up with an FSX typhoon, do we really want that?
  

[QuiGon]

Now that it’s no longer being held up by a company that will never make it can someone please make a module?

 

 

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???

 

Did I miss something? Last I heard is that VEAO is still working on it? :huh:

 

Edit: I'm sorry, I did indeed totally miss the anouncement last month:

Following a shareholders meeting with our investors this week, development of modules for DCS was high on the agenda amongst other business development items.

Following the recent activity in regards to contract renewals for specific aircraft modules we were in the process of developing and heavily invested in, the following conclusions were made regarding moving forward with DCS module development:

DCS will no longer be our primary development platform.

That said; we are committed to getting Hawk out of early access and released as soon as possible. This will involve updated PBR cockpit textures, bug fixes for major systems, bugs recorded internally with ED and any found with future DCS patches as ongoing maintenance.

Development of P-40F for DCS will resume but will not take precedence of development over other platforms. We maintain that we do not expect to release P-40F prior to 2.5 and a release schedule will be confirmed when the module is ready for beta.

When P-40F is ready for review in DCS; we will, as previously agreed with TFC arrange an acceptance demonstration with a view of releasing the aircraft to you, the public.

Development work on our other aircraft will no longer continue for DCS.

If, at a suitable time, we however convert these assets for DCS we will confirm this in due course when the aircraft is ready for release, not during its development cycle.

Chris and I along with the entire VEAO family appreciate the support of the DCS Community during this time and continuing into the future of our modules in DCS world.

Pete

That's really sad to hear :(

Edited September 29, 2017 by QuiGon

[Texac]

So with the argumentation that it would outclass any aircraft in DCS it would be useless to have any aircraft such as the Eurofighter Typhoon in DCS World?

 

I mean where do we want to start, if we want to start, and more information and data is declassified, with aircraft that entered service beyond the 2000's?

 

Same thing can be applied to older aircraft, if there are no opponents it shouldn't see life in DCS?

 

In my opinion any aircraft would fit into DCS World because it is a simulation of flight, however I understand that there is still the multiplayer or simply play area and that this or any other aircraft like the Eurofighter would cause problems in terms of unbalance.

[QuiGon]

Balancing can be taken care of by the server admins and mission makers. Having said that I really dislike the idea of having everything balanced in DCS, because war itself is usally not balanced.

[firmek]

So with the argumentation that it would outclass any aircraft in DCS it would be useless to have any aircraft such as the Eurofighter Typhoon in DCS World?

 

I mean where do we want to start, if we want to start, and more information and data is declassified, with aircraft that entered service beyond the 2000's?

 

Same thing can be applied to older aircraft, if there are no opponents it shouldn't see life in DCS?

 

In my opinion any aircraft would fit into DCS World because it is a simulation of flight, however I understand that there is still the multiplayer or simply play area and that this or any other aircraft like the Eurofighter would cause problems in terms of unbalance.

I agree and disagree at the same time. The fact that it would come without any adequate opposition from the era should not be a decision criteria.

On the other hand I think that a lot of unused potential comes from sole focus on "simulation of flight" and “sand-box” approach. What I mean is that DCS does the best job in publicly available flight simulators as for the flight and systems modeling and by no means that should be compromised on. At the same time more focus should be put on simulating the overall environment and "air warfare". The situation is improving (see Normandy and Assets Pack) but still many of modules in DCS are like a car simulator without a race track. Take Sabre and MiG-15 as an examples. Those are beutifull modules on their own but you can't get an experience of 50's era pilots in DCS due to severe lack of AI modules from the era. It's not much different with MiG-21 and will not be different for some other modules that are under development unless the situation changes and more focus is put on simulating the air warfare as such instead of only the airframes.

[TomCatMucDe]

???

 

Did I miss something? Last I heard is that VEAO is still working on it? :huh:

 

Edit: I'm sorry, I did indeed totally miss the anouncement last month:

 

That's really sad to hear :(

 

it was obvious that they were never able or gonna do it.

[QuiGon]

it was obvious that they were never able or gonna do it.

Not for me, untill this statement. They were still releasing WIP shots of the Eurofighter on their FB page before that statement.

 

Anyways, it's clear now and this thread is about other possible Eurofighter developments. I think it is very unlikely though, that we will get a Eurofighter now, because documentation and other access to the aircraft is very restricted. VEAO was developing a trainer for the RAF and had special access to the Eurofighter, which I don't think any other developer will get. :(

[Gierasimov]

yeah sure

 

Now that it’s no longer being held up by a company that will never make it can someone please make a module?

 

 

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Can someone make a module? Like "someone from this community"?

[TomCatMucDe]

Not for me, untill this statement. They were still releasing WIP shots of the Eurofighter on their FB page before that statement.

 

Anyways, it's clear now and this thread is about other possible Eurofighter developments. I think it is very unlikely though, that we will get a Eurofighter now, because documentation and other access to the aircraft is very restricted. VEAO was developing a trainer for the RAF and had special access to the Eurofighter, which I don't think any other developer will get. :(

 

We shouldnt believe people just because they said something.

 

WIP of cockpit doesnt prove a thing. Even that cockpit wasnt worked on for long. There amateurs doing great cockpit and 3D models. It doest mean they can code.

 

VAEO had obiously a strong marketing and communication but proved with a simple trainer that a Typhoon is a too big bite.

 

On the DCS Typhoon itself, i dont believe we will see it at all. It is a front liner aircraft, it s the top aircraft for the German, UK and other European armies. It is insane to have a full fidelity model of it.

[Northstar98]

Even with balance aside, the Eurofighter Typhoon is a 4+ Generation aircraft, at the moment nothing matches it's RADAR, not to mention it's upgraded RADAR (which by the way is much more advanced than anything at present and is multi-function, at the moment only the F/A-18C will have a multi-function RADAR that will be the closest we'll get to anything like the CAPTOR-E radar). Then there's its defensive aids suite, and people complain about the current jammers which AFAIK have approximated capabilities and functionality.

 

Plus all of the above? Pretty much all classified I'm afraid, the aircraft's avionics will have to be approximated, the same thing that happens on combat aircraft for FSX, do you really want that?

 

Then there's the flight dynamics, lets not get into that shall we...

 

Now I'm all in favour of a Eurofighter Typhoon, I'm from the UK and it equips our modern air force, but the problem with the current DCS environment is that IMO the Eurofighter Typhoon is ill suited, because at the moment everything else is 30 years older than the Typhoon, which is relatively new, it was introduced in 2003, whereas the F/A-18C Hornet (the most modern aircraft being developed AFAIK) was introduced in 1987, a 16 year gap, now that figure might be less based on what precise block F/A-18 we get (I can't find the information for it).

 

All of this and the F/A-18C has taken how long to procure? If a Eurofighter Typhoon were to be developed it would be in realistically speaking, a very long time.

 

On the DCS Typhoon itself, i dont believe we will see it at all. It is a front liner aircraft, it s the top aircraft for the German, UK and other European armies. It is insane to have a full fidelity model of it.

 

^^ Exactly this

 

So even though I'd like to see the Typhoon, realistically speaking I'm sorry to say I just don't think it will happen, at least in the near future.

 

Personally a tornado, a full fidelity F-15 or F-16 seems like a more likely bet.

Edited September 29, 2017 by Northstar98

[WinterH]

Take Sabre and MiG-15 as an examples. Those are beutifull modules on their own but you can't get an experience of 50's era pilots in DCS due to severe lack of AI modules from the era.

 

And what if there were AI aircraft to go along with them? AI aircraft in DCS is, well let us say not convincing at all. So as much as I am against the mindset that wants to see the DCS as an online PvP game, at the end I have to somewhat agree with them, because AI is kind of a joke.

 

I also have to add, that I am very, very hostile to the idea of payware AI "modules".

 

I've seen people say in this thread that DCS is great for simulating flight and systems, but not so much the combat. I agree indeed, that is what I've been thinking of DCS for a while: it is a great flight sim, not so much a combat sim in my opinion. For this to change, there will need to be very significant improvements in both ground and air unit AI, as well their damage/flight models. Otherwise, the environment simply can't be improved to a proper combat sim in my opinion.

 

Anyway, guess this is kinda off topic...

[Neon]

Can someone make a module? Like "someone from this community"?

 

 

 

No as in ED or a third party make it.

 

 

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[Neon]

No as in ED or a third party make it.

 

 

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Also in reality I would be happy with the Typhoon, Rafale, or a Gripen.

 

 

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[ZHeN]

personally I returned to DCS (after almost a 10 years break) simply because a full fidelity 4th Gen fighter has been moduled

 

 

I would've returned earlier if A-10C wouldn't be such a slow aircraft :D

I'll be happy to see any DCS-level 4th Gen aircraft module , not necessarily a fighter.

[Capn kamikaze]

VEAO at least had a contract with the RAF and access to the aircraft+pilots.

 

If they can negotiate that access, then it stands to reason so could another company if sufficiently motivated to do so.

[Buzzles]

If they can negotiate that access' date=' then it stands to reason so could another company if sufficiently motivated to do so.[/quote']

 

Well, yes, which is exactly what I wrote a few lines afterwards:

Of course, doesn't mean it's insurmountable, as a third party might have better luck with another EU airforce rather than the RAF.

 

Either way, considering it's unlikely we'll have any other gen 4+ aircraft for a long time, it would still be out of place should it get made.

Edited September 29, 2017 by Buzzles

[Northstar98]

Well, yes, which is exactly what I wrote a few lines afterwards:

 

 

Either way, considering it's unlikely we'll have any other gen 4+ aircraft for a long time, it would still be out of place should it get made.

 

Besides from that VEAO are a UK based company which makes getting hold of UK SMEs and getting visits to aircraft etc all the more easier

[Buzzles]

Besides from that VEAO are a UK based company which makes getting hold of UK SMEs and getting visits to aircraft etc all the more easier

 

True, but the geographic bonus is also equally true for AVIO, Polychop and Miltech-5, the former based in Spain and latter two in Germany.

 

It's still a very long shot though.

[Capn kamikaze]

Well, yes, which is exactly what I wrote a few lines afterwards

 

And the implication in my post was that your post made no point because of that.

[probad]

nobody is thinking about the years it would take for eurofighter systems to be replicated for dcs

 

and for the those of you who dont care about systems modelling because you just think the ef2k looks pretty, please do yourself a favor, ace_c*mbat forums are thataways ->>>>>

[al531246]

All this talk of how well the Eurofighter would perform is irrelevant; the aircraft is far too classified. Even the one VEAO had their sights on was an early model with almost none of the systems that are on the current bird.

 

A far better aircraft for consideration would be the Tornado. There's plenty of documentation out there on it, it's being retired from service as we speak and, well, it's a freakin Tornado! What more do you want?!