Pandacat Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 How come I never saw anyone mentioning P-38? It's a widely used aircraft in ETO, especially on ATG role.
Magic Zach Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 It's more known and used in the Pacific Theater. And I don't think that we might see one unless we get a Pacific Map. But I do desperately want a P-38L...but I don't think it'll happen, or At least anytime soon because ED plans 5+ years into the future. Hardware: T-50 Mongoose, VKB STECS, Saitek 3 Throttle Quadrant, Homemade 32-function Leo Bodnar Button Box, MFG Crosswind Pedals Oculus Rift S System Specs: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS, RTX 4090, Ryzen 7 7800X3D, 32GB DDR5-3600, Samsung 990 PRO Modules: AH-64D, Ka-50, Mi-8MTV2, F-16C, F-15E, F/A-18C, F-14B, F-5E, P-51D, Spitfire Mk LF Mk. IXc, Bf-109K-4, Fw-190A-8 Maps: Normandy, Nevada, Persian Gulf, Syria, Germany
Echo38 Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 As the one of the "Big Three," it's definitely called for.
SeaW0lf Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 That's a module that I would buy even though DCS is on full backburner for me. You can also lobby (if that ever works) for it here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=189449 -- Win10 Pro, Philips 298P4QJEB (2560X1080), i5-9600K, Zalman 9900NT, GA-Z390 UD, GTX 1060 GamingX 6GB, 16GB 3200Mhz CL16, Samsung 970 EVO 250GB, Corsair AX-750W, Carbide 300R, G940, TrackIR 5 --
gavagai Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 For a medium bomber I would rather see a B-26 instead of a P-38. P-51D | Fw 190D-9 | Bf 109K-4 | Spitfire Mk IX | P-47D | WW2 assets pack | F-86 | Mig-15 | Mig-21 | Mirage 2000C | A-10C II | F-5E | F-16 | F/A-18 | Ka-50 | Combined Arms | FC3 | Nevada | Normandy | Straight of Hormuz | Syria
Davee Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 As the one of the "Big Three," it's definitely called for. On the British side 2 of the big 4 would be the Typhoon and the Mossie. Sure could use a Lancaster as well.
astrospud Posted November 26, 2017 Posted November 26, 2017 P-38 would be an insta-buy for me. So would a Mossie. Rectum non bustus
Zimmerdylan Posted November 26, 2017 Posted November 26, 2017 P-38 would be an insta-buy for me. So would a Mossie. +1 Not only that, I would pay whatever they asked for it within reason. Some planes I wait for a sale, and even then I don't purchase them if the price isn't what I think is low enough because I won't get my money's worth out of them. I know I probably wont fly them all that much. But the P-38.....Yeah, it would most likely be the plane I would use the most.
Zimmerdylan Posted November 26, 2017 Posted November 26, 2017 For a medium bomber I would rather see a B-26 instead of a P-38. ??????? Medium bomber? Wow....I never thought of the P-38 as a medium bomber.
Spudknocker Posted November 28, 2017 Posted November 28, 2017 I would be in heaven with a P-38 in DCS world... just somethin about that good ol' fork-tailed devil! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Spudknocker DCS World YouTube Channel!! RTX 2080 Ti - i7-7700K - 32GB RAM - DCS on 1TB EVO 970 M.2 SSD - Logitech X56 HOTAS
Weta43 Posted November 28, 2017 Posted November 28, 2017 I would be in heaven with a Mossie in DCS world... just somethin about that good ol' balsa wood devil! There was a typo... Cheers.
Red Dragon-DK Posted November 28, 2017 Posted November 28, 2017 There was a typo... :thumbup: +1 Intel I7 4770K, Evga 1080 FE, win10 64Pro, 32GB ram, TracIR 5, Hotas Warthog, MFD Cougar x2, MFG Crosswind
Echo38 Posted November 28, 2017 Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) Why the hell does every P-38 thread turn into people saying they'd rather have a bomber/attack aircraft than a proper twin fighter? There's no substitute for a P-38, the only successful twin fighter of the war, and the first aircraft to reach 400 MPH TAS in level flight. Approximately 10% of all U.S. fighters of the war were P-38s. I see no reason to prioritize a twin which failed at the fighter role, such as the Mosquito or Me 110, over the P-38. There's a great call for the P-38, and think it's kinda rude for a handful of people to flood all the P-38 wish threads with "I'd rather have a Mossie." Edited November 28, 2017 by Echo38
DD_Fenrir Posted November 29, 2017 Posted November 29, 2017 A total of five 8th Air Force and three 9th Air Force Fighter Groups were equipped with P-38s during the Normandy landings. With 3 squadrons each operating a minimum of 16 aircraft - not including spares or even the ability for squadrons to mount oversize formations (a growing feature of 8th Air Force operations as 1944 progressed) - that means that (assuming all the -38 groups were at strength) a minimum of 384 P-38s were in theatre for operation Overlord and the days immediately thereafter. 384. 62.5% of which were assigned to a strategic Air Force Fighter Command whose primary role was engaging enemy fighter aircraft.
Echo38 Posted November 29, 2017 Posted November 29, 2017 For comparison, about what percentage of fighters was that, out of all of the other U.S. fighters involved in Overlord?
King Cobra Posted November 29, 2017 Posted November 29, 2017 A total of five 8th Air Force and three 9th Air Force Fighter Groups were equipped with P-38s during the Normandy landings. With 3 squadrons each operating a minimum of 16 aircraft - not including spares or even the ability for squadrons to mount oversize formations (a growing feature of 8th Air Force operations as 1944 progressed) - that means that (assuming all the -38 groups were at strength) a minimum of 384 P-38s were in theatre for operation Overlord and the days immediately thereafter. 384. 62.5% of which were assigned to a strategic Air Force Fighter Command whose primary role was engaging enemy fighter aircraft. My understanding only 24 P-38s participated in Operation Overlord as fleet defense aircraft due to the Germans not having any aircraft looking similar to them to cut down on friendly fire from ships etc... Ex Alto Vincimus
Aginor Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 Man I love that plane! Now if we got a Pacific theatre of any sort... ...ah whom am I kidding, I'd fly it over the Caucasus if need be. 1 DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet
MADLOU1 Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 Anybody here have any interest in the biggest US WW2 fighter, the P61 Nightfighter? I wouldn't mind flying a DCS version of that beast if they can model the radar.
Echo38 Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 Historically, the Black Widow was most useful in the role of using its radar to help allied bombers find their island airfields. As such, it was an important rescue aircraft, like the Catalina, but as a combat aircraft, its impact on the war was insignificant. Like the Mosquito and Messerschmitt 110, the P-61 is not only utterly inadequate as a substitute for the P-38, but also was unsuccessful in the fighter role. This is not to be confused with the night-fighter role, which requires radar, and doesn't require maneuverability. And, even at night, I don't think the P-61 saw much air-to-air combat.
Zimmerdylan Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 Historically, the Black Widow was most useful in the role of using its radar to help allied bombers find their island airfields. As such, it was an important rescue aircraft, like the Catalina, but as a combat aircraft, its impact on the war was insignificant. Like the Mosquito and Messerschmitt 110, the P-61 is not only utterly inadequate as a substitute for the P-38, but also was unsuccessful in the fighter role. This is not to be confused with the night-fighter role, which requires radar, and doesn't require maneuverability. And, even at night, I don't think the P-61 saw much air-to-air combat. You got to admit thought, it was a pretty cool looking plane. I always thought that it looked like it's name. Not just because of the color, it just looked kind of ominous.
Ala13_ManOWar Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 You got to admit thought, it was a pretty cool looking plane. I always thought that it looked like it's name. Not just because of the color, it just looked kind of ominous.Well that's pretty right, for a reason P-61 is a really badass aeroplane. But trying to keep a cool head, P-38 is also a very cool fighter I would like to fly in DCS level, no to mention that ED said time ago they were after a twin engine development in order to get the abilities for that kind of PFM. A prop twin FM is probably a very tough subject and it would lead to further developments as well. P-38 would be perfect, twin engined to develop the PFM but a single seater fighter that could be made in a reasonable time. Not to mention with the limited planeset currently available and with regards to planeset subject looking for rarer aircraft before having the more common ones is kind of pointless. S! "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice
oboe Posted December 15, 2018 Posted December 15, 2018 +1 for a late block P-38J or P-38L in DCS World. It'd be a great fit for Normandy and the time period represented; it flew both A-A and A-G missions with 8th and 9th AF FGs. With tricycle gear simplifying ground handling, counterrotating props canceling torque and a variety of mission types it might be a great first aircraft for new players. It's physically a large aircraft; I think a well-done '38 could be as impressive in DCS: WWII as the Tomcat will be in modern world DCS. Ryzen 7 2700, MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC, 16GB G.Skill Trident Z DDR4-3200, 970 EVO 1TB SSD, eVGA GTX 1080 8GB ACX [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Weta43 Posted December 15, 2018 Posted December 15, 2018 It's not a plane I've really paid much attention to, but this doesn't make it sound like a must have: The P-38 remained active in the Mediterranean for the rest of the war. It was in this theatre that the P-38 suffered its heaviest losses in the air. On 25 August 1943, 13 P-38s were shot down in a single sortie by Jagdgeschwader 53 Bf 109s without achieving a single kill.[66] On 2 September, 10 P-38s were shot down, in return for a single kill, the 67-victory ace Franz Schiess (who was also the leading "Lightning" killer in the Luftwaffe with 17 destroyed). Kurt Bühligen, third highest scoring German pilot on the Western front with 112 victories, recalled: "The P-38 fighter (and the B-24) were easy to burn. Once in Africa we were six and met eight P-38s and shot down seven. One sees a great distance in Africa and our observers and flak people called in sightings and we could get altitude first and they were low and slow." General der Jagdflieger Adolf Galland was unimpressed with the P-38, declaring "it had similar shortcomings in combat to our Bf 110, our fighters were clearly superior to it." Heinz Bäer said that P-38s "were not difficult at all. They were easy to outmaneuver and were generally a sure kill".[69] Experiences over Germany had shown a need for long-range escort fighters to protect the Eighth Air Force's heavy bomber operations. The P-38Hs of the 55th Fighter Group were transferred to the Eighth in England in September 1943, and were joined by the 20th, 364th and 479th Fighter Groups soon after. P-38s soon joined Spitfires in escorting the early Fortress raids over Europe. & After some disastrous raids in 1944 with B-17s escorted by P-38s and Republic P-47 Thunderbolts, Jimmy Doolittle, then head of the U.S. Eighth Air Force, went to the Royal Aircraft Establishment, Farnborough, asking for an evaluation of the various American fighters. Test pilot Captain Eric Brown, Fleet Air Arm, recalled: We had found out that the Bf 109 and the FW 190 could fight up to a Mach of 0.75, three-quarters the speed of sound. We checked the Lightning and it couldn't fly in combat faster than 0.68. So it was useless. We told Doolittle that all it was good for was photo-reconnaissance and had to be withdrawn from escort duties. & yet they seem to have done well in the Pacific ... Cheers.
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