D4n Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Yeah, since M2000C has this, will DCS F-18C also get it or does real F-18C not have MLWS? (vs IR) DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 No, as far as i know " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeroamer Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 What's the MLWS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelation Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 MLWS = Missile Launch Warning System Win 10 Pro 64Bit | 49" UWHD AOC 5120x1440p | AMD 5900x | 64Gb DDR4 | RX 6900XT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asla36 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Don't remember such a thing. And as far as I know, it wouldn't need one. Since they were only good against MANPADs, and the Horntes attack doctrine meant it was high up in the air. Also, sneaking up to a carrier with a stinger and shooting out/inbound aircraft is not the most realistic prospect. So I would be really surprised if it had or even needed one. DCS: MiG-23 [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Make it happen, and take my money! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogieman Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Don't remember such a thing. And as far as I know, it wouldn't need one. Since they were only good against MANPADs, and the Horntes attack doctrine meant it was high up in the air. Also, sneaking up to a carrier with a stinger and shooting out/inbound aircraft is not the most realistic prospect. So I would be really surprised if it had or even needed one. Yeah, no I don't think the classic Hornet was ever fitted with a MWS. Super Bug may be different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Don't remember such a thing. And as far as I know, it wouldn't need one. Since they were only good against MANPADs, and the Horntes attack doctrine meant it was high up in the air. Also, sneaking up to a carrier with a stinger and shooting out/inbound aircraft is not the most realistic prospect. So I would be really surprised if it had or even needed one. How do you use Hydras from high altitude or perform show of force up high? :huh: Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) Don't remember such a thing. And as far as I know, it wouldn't need one. Since they were only good against MANPADs, and the Horntes attack doctrine meant it was high up in the air. Also, sneaking up to a carrier with a stinger and shooting out/inbound aircraft is not the most realistic prospect. So I would be really surprised if it had or even needed one. http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/design/q0177.shtml http://deacademic.com/dic.nsf/dewiki/1555045 CAS is part of the job :music_whistling: Edited April 9, 2018 by jojo Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogieman Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 How do you use Hydras from high altitude or perform show of force up high? :huh: Well you can use APKWS for the first one, but as for a show of force... drop a JDAM nearby I guess? Haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Well you can use APKWS for the first one, but as for a show of force... drop a JDAM nearby I guess? Haha. APKWS has not been around for long. Hydras are used by Hornets for much longer. Regarding show of force and JDAMs, I hope that's just a joke. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probad Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 mk1 eyeball, the original mlws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogieman Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) APKWS has not been around for long. Hydras are used by Hornets for much longer. Regarding show of force and JDAMs, I hope that's just a joke. Stay calm of course I am joking ;) I am well aware of how new it is but my intended point stands - APKWS and its kin seem to be really changing the game for ~70mm rocket employment. No point getting down and dirty inside MANPAD and trash fire range just to deliver dumb munitions if you can be laser-beam accurate (literally) from well outside of it instead. Edited April 10, 2018 by Boogieman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 APKWS hasnt even been deployed to the fleet yet... lol. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitormouraa Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 No APKWS... No MWS :) SplashOneGaming Discord https://splashonegaming.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogieman Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) APKWS hasnt even been deployed to the fleet yet... lol. EDIT: It seems they've actually reached the Marines already. Cool system - seems to have been well received over Iraq/Syria etc. Edited April 10, 2018 by Boogieman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeroamer Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 OT much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyre Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 The only MLWS Navy and Marine Hornets have is their wingman. As for APKWS, it would require an updated OFP as it wasn't even a concept when 13C was originally issued to the fleet. The last OFP I remember was 22X back in 2013 and I'm sure it has been updated since then as well. Truly superior pilots are those that use their superior judgment to avoid those situations where they might have to use their superior skills. If you ever find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! "If at first you don't succeed, Carrier Landings are not for you!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogieman Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) The only MLWS Navy and Marine Hornets have is their wingman. As for APKWS, it would require an updated OFP as it wasn't even a concept when 13C was originally issued to the fleet. The last OFP I remember was 22X back in 2013 and I'm sure it has been updated since then as well. Interesting, thanks for the info. Looks like USMC birds are carrying them nowadays. Anyhoo, back to the topic at hand ;) Edited April 10, 2018 by Boogieman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StandingCow Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Confirmed with Jello from the fighter pilot podcast, no MLWS. 5900X - 32 GB 3600 RAM - 1080TI My Twitch Channel ~Moo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow KT Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 I remember back in the days when the Hawg was the only module I had (FC3 and Ka-50 were out there as well).... I was so used to having a MWS. When I started finding out that all these aircraft (F-15/16/18 ) don't have it, I was like To me it was a no brainer, especially when you have sneaky russians with ETs and R-73s... But, I got used to it 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 The only MLWS Navy and Marine Hornets have is their wingman. Confirmed with Jello from the fighter pilot podcast, no MLWS. Thanks :thumbup: Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICS_Vortex Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Just take a look on the right Warning/Caution/Threat Panel and the meaning of some lights. PC: i9-10850K ~5.2GHz / Asus Rog Strix H490 Gaming, Asus GTX1080 Rog Strix Gaming OC, HyperX Fury RGB 32Gb RAM 3200MHz, SSD 512Gb, HDD 1Tb, Windows 10 x64. 2 x Samsung Curved 32" VirpilControls software engineer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dino Might Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 I remember back in the days when the Hawg was the only module I had (FC3 and Ka-50 were out there as well).... I was so used to having a MWS. When I started finding out that all these aircraft (F-15/16/18 ) don't have it, I was like To me it was a no brainer, especially when you have sneaky russians with ETs and R-73s... But, I got used to it I'm not knowledgeable on the details, but I suspect the MLWS would not be very effective in A2A scenarios. Coverage area and range probably isn't very large. I wonder if what we have on the Hawg is accurate in terms of picking up launches from (sometimes) many miles away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 (edited) I'm not knowledgeable on the details, but I suspect the MLWS would not be very effective in A2A scenarios. Coverage area and range probably isn't very large. I wonder if what we have on the Hawg is accurate in terms of picking up launches from (sometimes) many miles away. but F16 and F18 are used in CAS and attack roles, given thier multirole nature. it is very surprising especially with all the Studies published on the danger of Heatseakers and IR based manpads especially. Other nations caught on faster like Uk with the EF typhoon and France with the RAfyale do have them. Even M2000D and M2000-5 have some sort of MWS. OFC MWS are installed on the Boeings Proposed ADvanced Super hornet, F22 and the F35A Family, so its no like US designers neglect or ignore the need of MWS. it just seems that as this poin us US was not willing to do any more upgrades on legacy aircraft, because It certainly would be a indispensable sensor. Edited April 12, 2018 by Kev2go Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 but F16 and F18 are used in CAS and attack roles, given thier multirole nature. it is very surprising especially with all the Studies published on the danger of Heatseakers and IR based manpads especially. Other nations caught on faster like Uk with the EF typhoon and France with the RAfyale do have them. Even M2000D and M2000-5 have some sort of MWS. OFC MWS are installed on the Boeings Proposed ADvanced Super hornet, F22 and the F35A Family, so its no like US designers neglect or ignore the need of MWS. it just seems that as this poin us US was not willing to do any more upgrades on legacy aircraft, because It certainly would be a indispensable sensor. You Forget the F/A-18C is a 70's Design, EuroFighter, Rafale, F-22, F-35, are at least 15 years newer in the grand scheme of things. You cant just slap a MWS on an existing Airframe, it needs to be part of the design (sensor placement etc) Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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