JF-17 Thunder Discussions

[Kev2go]

You're right, however such skepticism is more normal in something really new, not in a Frankenplane like this. Actually secrecy in this case is kinda counter-productive, as it is a cheap plane for export "hey this plane can do this and this for x price, come and check!" So it needs reliable information and marketing in order to achieve what it is meant for, sales. A mid decent package for a low price

 

Except there's no publicly available manual that i could find.

 

and technically speaking this plane is "new-ish" block 1 produced 2006, and entered service 2007. block 2 production began in 2013, and began entering service in 2015.

Edited April 30, 2017 by Kev2go

[probad]

yes, rather i hope this would become our first look at the closest thing to a publicly available jf-17 manual.

 

it is unfortunate though that there would be little data to cross-check against. we're more or less going to have to accept on faith what we get, publicly available numbers are all fuzzy and is generally ignored for analysis in western forums.

 

i havent seen confirmation if this is a block 1 or 2, and dont know of any externally distinguishing features that would cue us on that.

Edited April 30, 2017 by probad

[L0op8ack]

like i said earlier, what i'd be more surprised them obtaining is not so much data on the aircraft proper than the weapon systems, especially for the pl-12 missile, as this is not an obsolete weapon systems but rather current and in service with the plaaf. on the other hand though, what we get may be sd-10s, and it's unknown if, as an export model, there are any significant deviations from the pl-12. though ranges may be different, operational principles and logic will remain the same and that may not be easy to obtain for systems modelling. other weapon systems like the c802 and pl-5 are also common to plaaf, but on the other hand also export variants.

 

stepping back for perspective though, any simulation we get will probably be the most authentic (if not the only) jf-17 simulation available to western enthusiasts -- with chinese aircraft being so rare, im going to take what i can get.

 

There are too many RL weapon launch videos on Chinese sites.

Unfortunately , most of your guys are blocked by the GFW or language WALL.:lol:

[Sarraceno]

There are too many RL weapon launch videos on Chinese sites.

Unfortunately , most of your guys are blocked by the GFW or language WALL.:lol:

 

I guess, the far east is a world by itself :D

What is GFW?

[Buzzles]

What is GFW?

 

The Great Firewall, aka, the Great Firewall of China.

The PRC has essentially ring fenced its internet from the rest of the world.

 

Either way, interesting aircraft.

 

I hope it comes to fruition, although with uboats involved that seems slightly more likely than not.

[Schmidtfire]

Small deviations will always be there. I have no problem with Su-25T with Mercury pod or Fantasmagoria SEAD capability. AiM-120C missiles with close enough info on them. Missing features in the A-10C etc. etc. It is as close as possible, so I am not too worried about the PL-12 missile. Besides, If Veao can make a Typhoon, I see no reason that these guys won't be able to make the JF-17 accurate enough.

[Kev2go]

Small deviations will always be there. I have no problem with Su-25T with Mercury pod or Fantasmagoria SEAD capability. AiM-120C missiles with close enough info on them. Missing features in the A-10C etc. etc. It is as close as possible, so I am not too worried about the PL-12 missile. Besides, If Veao can make a Typhoon, I see no reason that these guys won't be able to make the JF-17 accurate enough.

 

difference is ED had a Miltary contract for the A10C, and Veo has a mil contract for the EF TF ( honestly given Veos lackluster job on the Hawk and poor progress on the P40, i have some doubts against their competence as developers, rather than ability to get Information, but i Digress) , and thus were privy to some information the public would not know. Besides even Veo admitted they will exclude some things, due to agreements MOD and that our their intended consumer version for DCSwill only be a Tranch 1 ( early variation) of the EF.

 

the things that dont work on the A10C are not really relevant to combat, or wouldn't properly anyhow work due to some engine limitations. It is still a fantastic virtual simulation, It is not one of those aircraft that would have required guesstimatation of crucial things. Its for the same reason no developer here is insane enough to try to make a F22 or F35 and why Razbam does not want to create a M2000-5 or a Rafayale. Not enough public data, too much guesswork, and in some instances fear of GOv't legal repercussions ( like when ED had plans to create the Su27SM or Mig29SMT)

 

PLus Su25T is not quite a valid comparison as it is only a FC3 grade aircraft and not high fidelity, and such aircraft can afford to be implemented with less technical information.

Edited April 30, 2017 by Kev2go

[shagrat]

like i said earlier, what i'd be more surprised them obtaining is not so much data on the aircraft proper than the weapon systems, especially for the pl-12 missile, as this is not an obsolete weapon systems but rather current and in service with the plaaf. on the other hand though, what we get may be sd-10s, and it's unknown if, as an export model, there are any significant deviations from the pl-12. though ranges may be different, operational principles and logic will remain the same and that may not be easy to obtain for systems modelling. other weapon systems like the c802 and pl-5 are also common to plaaf, but on the other hand also export variants.

 

stepping back for perspective though, any simulation we get will probably be the most authentic (if not the only) jf-17 simulation available to western enthusiasts -- with chinese aircraft being so rare, im going to take what i can get.

That is what I find so interesting. A relatively modern chinese Jet.

This is intriguing, just for the feel, layout and basic capabilities...

 

And for the "canonfodder" argument, I doubt that. It's flight characteristics are supposed to be in the area of an F-16, and you won't call an F-16 "canonfodder", won't you?!

 

I'm definitely interested to see which weapons and systems they will model.

[aileron]

Cool... can't wait to see this flying in DCS. :)

[legitscoper]

Small deviations will always be there. I have no problem with Su-25T with Mercury pod or Fantasmagoria SEAD capability. AiM-120C missiles with close enough info on them. Missing features in the A-10C etc. etc. It is as close as possible, so I am not too worried about the PL-12 missile. Besides, If Veao can make a Typhoon, I see no reason that these guys won't be able to make the JF-17 accurate enough.

Typhoon would be great plane to get its avionics systems. A2G and A2A radar, TGP and maybe that anti radiation missile

 

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[Sarraceno]

Actually, looking where Deka is located, i wouldn't be surprised if they manage far more information than what we can get in occident....

[Stratos]

Really interested in the beauty, I'm sure is a great plane and will be a lot of fun to fly it in DCS, specially If it came with proper chinese weapons. Always liked the J-7III hope that will be the next step. Good luck for the modders.

[WinterH]

Always liked the J-7III hope that will be the next step. Good luck for the modders.

 

That is my secret hope... someone doing a late J-7 version.

 

Bubble canopy, proper all aspect missiles, double delta wings with leading edge slats... what's not to like? :D

 

More modern radar and more ground attack capabilities too!

[shagrat]

Typhoon would be great plane to get its avionics systems. A2G and A2A radar, TGP and maybe that anti radiation missile

 

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Too much weapons are classified at the moment, we get a Tranche I Block 5... So not many of the advanced toys.

And the ALARM was dropped from the EF Typhoon program a while ago, it seems.

 

Anyway the modern planes in the pipeline with a Typhoon, an F/A-18C a late Harrier/AV-8B and now the JF-17, is quite amazing, if we talk DCS level and realism.

[kelpie]

The more I look at the models and the video the more I really hope it can be produced well. I've been hoping for a Chinese, South Korean, or Japanese plane. DCS is sorely lacking in Asian air power.

[DonJosh]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=LlePwkfv2h4

 

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[Stratos]

Amazing video updates!! Wondering If we can see the entire cockpit soon.

[probad]

thats an impressive rate there at only ~200kts

[uboats]

[Stratos]

I know China not purchased any JF-17, but will we see PLAAF and PLANAF skins for it?

 

BTW Nice JH-7 signature! Love the plane, and love the "flying Leopard" nickname!

[Angelthunder]

I wish Deka Sims success on their Chengdu JF-17.Also,isn't somebody making a Shenyang J-8 Finback somewhere too.

[L0op8ack]

I know China not purchased any JF-17, but will we see PLAAF and PLANAF skins for it?

 

BTW Nice JH-7 signature! Love the plane, and love the "flying Leopard" nickname!

 

 

DCS JH-7 ... it will be published when JH-7 retire in RL, maybe.

[uboats]

[il_corleone]

This is really nice. I really hope you guys get the license so we can all enjoy your aircraft. And also reward your incredible work!

[impeller83]

+1

 

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