Falcon_S Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) As long as you can turn it off in the settings there's no need to remove it from DCS. Is turned off and still have impact on my game performance on MP server. For some Server owners is much important Donations and Sponsor advertisement in trigger messages / briefing screen than optimal server settings. Edited July 16, 2019 by Falcon_S Quote Немој ништа силом, узми већи чекић! MSI Tomahawk MAX | Ryzen 7 3700x | 32GB DDR4 3200MHz | RX 5700 XT OC Red Dragon 8GB | VPC Throttle CM3 + VPC Constellation ALPHA on VPC WarBRD Base | HP Reverb G2 Youtube | Follow Me on TWITCH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weta43 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Maybe the servers just have it on because people have been asking for it to be implemented for years, and it didn't occur to them that when it finally arrived, people would immediately ask for it to be turned off... Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon_S Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Just imagine this: ...on server with +30 people and some AI's (tankers, AWACS... and many more). And.. yes, after corrections are made hahaha. On the server I play on, if someone was taxiing or did a low pass while the server stuttered/lagged just a little bit (which happens on all MP servers), it would make all the other planes on the ramp flip over and fly off 50 meters. The server owner had to turn it off for the time being. Idk if it has been fixed yet. Implemented... GG. Quote Немој ништа силом, узми већи чекић! MSI Tomahawk MAX | Ryzen 7 3700x | 32GB DDR4 3200MHz | RX 5700 XT OC Red Dragon 8GB | VPC Throttle CM3 + VPC Constellation ALPHA on VPC WarBRD Base | HP Reverb G2 Youtube | Follow Me on TWITCH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywalker22 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) I did a test mission with me in Su-27 and infront some bigger yet like Boeing KC135, and when coming close to him, specially when the other airplane does some maneuvering (changing direction), I can confirm that I feel the turbulence. My aircraft is shaking for a bit. But I doubt in reality is so little of it. And you can only feel when you close just behind the end of the wing. If you are close behind in the middle of it, you don`t feel a thing. is the video of it. Edited August 28, 2019 by mitja_bonca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbrz Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) My aircraft is shaking for a bit. But I doubt in reality is so little of it. And you can only feel when you close just behind the end of the wing. If you are close behind in the middle of it, you don`t feel a thing. So little? Your Su is rolling almost 90deg in the wake. Since this turbulence has its origin at the wingtips you notice it the most behind the wing tips. Further inboard you should experience jet and downwash, but these kind of disturbances don't produce significant turbulence. Edited August 28, 2019 by bbrz i7-7700K 4.2GHz, 16GB, GTX 1070 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOViper Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 ... Further inboard you should experience jet and downwash, but these kind of disturbances don't produce significant turbulence. Is the downwash currently modeled? I flew behind behind & under the trailing edge of a tanker, didn't notice something. I think it was the KC-135 MPRS in the F-14. But this was 2 months ago maybe ... The wing tip vortice was clearly noticable, it was like in a real aircraft, but not the downwash in the center section. Visit https://www.viggen.training ...Viggen... what more can you ask for? my computer: AMD Ryzen 5600G | NVIDIA GTX 1080 Ti OC 11GB | 32 GB 3200 MHz DDR4 DUAL | SSD 980 256 GB SYS + SSD 2TB DCS | TM Warthog Stick + Throttle + TRP | Rift CV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted August 28, 2019 ED Team Share Posted August 28, 2019 https://www.facebook.com/PopMechanics/videos/403583877182749/UzpfSTEwMDAwMzI0OTEwOTM1ODoyNDEwMjg5NjUyNDIyNjQ4/ Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywalker22 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) So little? Your Su is rolling almost 90deg in the wake. Since this turbulence has its origin at the wingtips you notice it the most behind the wing tips. Further inboard you should experience jet and downwash, but these kind of disturbances don't produce significant turbulence. I said wrong, with little I meant that the turbulence is felt up to cca 500m behind the aircraft, further behind I didn`t feel much or almost anything. I am not an expert, but how much back should the turbulence be felt, based on same params, like type and size of aircraft infront and air speed? But as far as I watched Air crash investigation series, behind the big aircrafts, turbiulence can be felt on kilometes, up to 7 if I remember in worst cases. What do you think? https://www.facebook.com/PopMechanics/videos/403583877182749/UzpfSTEwMDAwMzI0OTEwOTM1ODoyNDEwMjg5NjUyNDIyNjQ4/ Wow, exactly that I was talking above. Great example what turbulence does. So this is that we see up in the air, that white trail behind the aircraft? Edited August 28, 2019 by mitja_bonca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid18120 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 I said wrong, with little I meant that the turbulence is felt up to cca 500m behind the aircraft, further behind I didn`t feel much or almost anything. I am not an expert, but how much back should the turbulence be felt, based on same params, like type and size of aircraft infront and air speed? Keep in mind that the wake tends to spread out laterally and wash down vertically the further away you are from the origin. This was illustrated in a video on youtube by ED (i can't provide a link right now but a search for "DCS wake turbulence" should suffice). I don't know how much of the whole system is already in place on DCS though. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Simming since 2005 My Rig: Gigabyte X470 Aorus Ultra Gaming, AMD Ryzen7 2700X, G.Skill RipJaws 32GB DDR4-3200, EVGA RTX 2070 Super Black Gaming, Corsair HX850 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billeinstein Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Impressive video. Wake turbulence is also important for helicopters in real life. Wish it can be modelled in the game. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow KT Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 No performance effect on my side and I like it a lot 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted August 30, 2019 ED Team Share Posted August 30, 2019 Impressive video. Wake turbulence is also important for helicopters in real life. Wish it can be modelled in the game. Helicopters have their own challenges for modelling this with the transition in flight, so while it's planned, it's still pretty WIP. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaD CrC Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 This wake turbulence video is very impressive and as far as I know a first in PC flight simulation (can be wrong because I haven't flown any other sim for the last 10 years). DCS really shows the way for hardcore simmers. Congrats ED. Now, and I am glad I am not the first one to ask, we really need some love for our choppers. I don't know if wake turbulences of a FW affects a chopper taking off behind, but I would love to also see something happening when two choppers are flying above each others. I know RW is an order or magnitude more complex than FW though. https://www.blacksharkden.com http://discord.gg/blacksharkden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfranky Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 How is the performance scaling (or will scale) with the number of AC in the vicinity? Currently, I find that it leads to severe FPS decrease if you approach multiple AC let alone larger formations of bombers. A warrior's mission is to foster the success of others. i9-12900K | MSI RTX 3080Ti Suprim X | 128 GB Ram 3200 MHz DDR-4 | MSI MPG Edge Z690 | Samung EVO 980 Pro SSD | Virpil Stick, Throttle and Collective | MFG Crosswind | HP Reverb G2 RAT - On the Range - Rescue Helo - Recovery Tanker - Warehouse - Airboss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VampireNZ Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) Great to see this level of detail creeping into DCS! Wake Turb is a real danger to aircraft - see pic below of a landing CT4 of the RNZAF Red Checker display team experiencing some wake turb from a preceeding aircraft just prior. Note the full corrective rudder (mirrored by nosewheel) and aileron deflection. The CAA pamphlet attached on Wake Turb is a very easy to read info booklet on the phenomenon Photo © 2016 Brian GreenwoodWake_Turbulence.pdf Edited August 30, 2019 by VampireNZ Asus Maximus VIII Hero Alpha| i7-6700K @ 4.60GHz | nVidia GTX 1080ti Strix OC 11GB @ 2075MHz| 16GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB 3200Mhz DDR4 CL14 | Samsung 950 PRO 512GB M.2 SSD | Corsair Force LE 480GB SSD | Windows 10 64-Bit | TM Warthog with FSSB R3 Lighting Base | VKB Gunfighter Pro + MCG | TM MFD's | Oculus Rift S | Jetseat FSE [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester84 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Helicopters have their own challenges for modelling this with the transition in flight, so while it's planned, it's still pretty WIP. Hi NineLine! Great!! Will the downwash also have an effect to lingloading? System: Intel I5-9600K | MSI MPG Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon | MSI RTX2080 TI | Corsair Vengeance 32 GB | 500 GB Samsung 970 EVO | Thrustmaster Warthog | Self-made UH-1 Central Pedestal, Collective and Pedals | HP Reverb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
de.Impact Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Im still a bit blown away by the implementation (and visualization !). Never thought it would be possible to get it that dynamic. Congratulations on achieving that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murey2 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 (edited) Any freaking LOVE for the helicopter about that?! To be fair this game is the best so far for flying helicopters and enjoying the good physics of it! Why the freaking helicopter has to come at the end always. I'm a helicopter guy and I hate being left the the end always...! Edited August 31, 2019 by Murey2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted August 31, 2019 ED Team Share Posted August 31, 2019 Because helicopters are much more complicated. But even now Ka-50 and Mi-8 can be naturally affected with this effect. Although they do not produce it yet because of more complicated things for transition from hovering. Say, it would be very weird if helos produce wake turbulence and do not produce downwash at hovering. Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murey2 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Because helicopters are much more complicated. But even now Ka-50 and Mi-8 can be naturally affected with this effect. Although they do not produce it yet because of more complicated things for transition from hovering. Say, it would be very weird if helos produce wake turbulence and do not produce downwash at hovering. Roger that. Glad to know that is being worked on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomba Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Some really nice work implementing wake turbulence. I struck it the other day when I accidently delayed my rotation on takeoff behind two Hornets and passed through both their wakes. Very cool. I don't test for bugs, but when I do I do it in production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid18120 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Some really nice work implementing wake turbulence. I struck it the other day when I accidently delayed my rotation on takeoff behind two Hornets and passed through both their wakes. Very cool. What were you taking off with? I haven't had the opportunity to try the wake turbulence with the various modules except the A-10C and F/A-18, so i'm curious to get info on how much it is affecting other modules :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Simming since 2005 My Rig: Gigabyte X470 Aorus Ultra Gaming, AMD Ryzen7 2700X, G.Skill RipJaws 32GB DDR4-3200, EVGA RTX 2070 Super Black Gaming, Corsair HX850 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 What were you taking off with? I haven't had the opportunity to try the wake turbulence with the various modules except the A-10C and F/A-18, so i'm curious to get info on how much it is affecting other modules :) Atm all aircraft affect other aircraft AI including. Even own missiles cause wake turbulence on your own aircraft. Easiest to notice is to fly behind some heavy. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgie79 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Very cool effect, noticed it yesterday when flying in formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid18120 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Atm all aircraft affect other aircraft AI including. Even own missiles cause wake turbulence on your own aircraft. Easiest to notice is to fly behind some heavy. Yes i know this. What i meant was that i'd like to know how much a MIG-21 is affected compared to a F/A-18 or an A-10, since that's highly dependant on the plane itself. The overall effect is probably the same, just how much does it differ between modules? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Simming since 2005 My Rig: Gigabyte X470 Aorus Ultra Gaming, AMD Ryzen7 2700X, G.Skill RipJaws 32GB DDR4-3200, EVGA RTX 2070 Super Black Gaming, Corsair HX850 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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