planned Window wipers?

[oscar19681]

Will the window wipers be functional in bad weather?

[LooseSeal]

Are they functional in any module that has them? They usually move, but not actually do anything of note.

[oscar19681]

The only module I can think of is the Huey & Hind. I don’t have those so can’t say anything about if they are functional in other modules. 

[rge75]

They move but they're not really functional iirr

The mi-8 also has moving wipers.

[Northstar98]

Yeah, quite a few modules have functioning wipers (Hind, Mi-8, Huey, Ka-50), and while it's animated, it doesn't actually any wipe rain off, hopefully planned improvements to the weather system will change that.

[SmukY]

Even Gazelle has functional wipers but has no rain droplets at all on canopy (yet, I hope. I really hope they will overhaul her nicely because she has excellent view for flying, sorry for offtopic, but how they're flying gazellas is main reason why I like them)

 

[jagheterjan]

Unless ED come up with some novel way to do it that noone else in the industry pulled off, functional wipers in the sim will eat silly amounts of VRAM.

[unknown]

7 minutes ago, jagheterjan said:

Unless ED come up with some novel way to do it that noone else in the industry pulled off, functional wipers in the sim will eat silly amounts of VRAM.

This worked perfectly fine in the 1998(?) Apache vs. Havoc Sim - working whipers removing rain drops from the windscreen.

[jagheterjan]

Then tech changed and nowadays it's quite the effort to do just right. All the other games that feature the effect (That I'm aware of) do it by blending texture sets through a shader, which comes with a sizable memory footprint but is relatively simple to do codewise so relatively easily do but things fall apart quickly on the user's end if they don't have the VRAM to spare. With today's EDGE, VRAM is something notoriously short for most of the DCS userbase. But we're getting offtopic - let's just wait and see if and how they do it, k?

Edited November 19, 2021 by jagheterjan

[kgillers3]

If you don’t have vram to spare you probably got rain turned off too.

it’s also planned to be incorporated 

Edited November 19, 2021 by kgillers3

[Morrov]

1 hour ago, jagheterjan said:

Unless ED come up with some novel way to do it that noone else in the industry pulled off, functional wipers in the sim will eat silly amounts of VRAM.

XPlane has a plugin, made by a third party developer for free use that has functioning window wipers. The effect is not perfect, but if a single person can create this, I'm sure ED could do so as well.

 

[Enduro14]

Yup be really cool for all the rotorwing, just adds to immersion...

[rayrayblues]

On 11/19/2021 at 3:35 PM, Enduro14 said:

Yup be really cool for all the rotorwing, just adds to immersion...

+1

[oscar19681]

On 11/19/2021 at 11:35 PM, Enduro14 said:

Yup be really cool for all the rotorwing, just adds to immersion...

That being said, just imagine the next level immersion in VR. 

 

 

[Hobel]

On 11/19/2021 at 11:31 PM, Morrov said:

XPlane has a plugin, made by a third party developer for free use that has functioning window wipers. The effect is not perfect, but if a single person can create this, I'm sure ED could do so as well.

 

Many wonderful things can be created by a single person, sometimes in an amazingly short time. 

 

But that doesn't mean that we will see something like that and other things in the near future.

[TomCruise]

Forza Horizon 5 has rly good windshield raineffects. Even if you turn the raindrops go with the G Force.

Look at 0:25 sconds 

 

[LooseSeal]

In terms of extra immersion... I'd be interested to know from any of the Apache guys whether its canopy was susceptible, in desert conditions, to getting dusty. There are plenty of photos of Chinooks and Black Hawks with dust-covered glass, but hard to find any of the Apache. I'm guessing the sponsons block a lot of the dust or just because the cockpit is fairly high off the ground?

It would be interesting, in appropriate modules, to have dust accumulate on the glass over time, particularly during landings/take-offs/low hovers, and then need to wipe it off.

[Lurker]

Wouldn't the rotor downwash get rid of the dust though? I would imagine the same would be true of rainfall, unless it was really pouring. But I imagine the engineers put the wipers there for a reason. 

[kgillers3]

3 hours ago, LooseSeal said:

In terms of extra immersion... I'd be interested to know from any of the Apache guys whether its canopy was susceptible, in desert conditions, to getting dusty. There are plenty of photos of Chinooks and Black Hawks with dust-covered glass, but hard to find any of the Apache. I'm guessing the sponsons block a lot of the dust or just because the cockpit is fairly high off the ground?

It would be interesting, in appropriate modules, to have dust accumulate on the glass over time, particularly during landings/take-offs/low hovers, and then need to wipe it off.

Startups yeah, but running I haven’t seen too much stick to the canopy after startup. It happens. I just haven’t seen it. 

I think it also has to deal with what they clean the windows with too but idk

If it sticks then it’ll start to cake on, it won’t come off with just blowing on it and when you turn the wipers on if you have to it creates some sick scratches. Generally the peeps I know just wash the windows prior to flight. I’m sure there’s a crew chief on here somewhere. 

Also at @LooseSeal it also depends on the type of dust or environment.  If it's like that thick moondust, that stuff is miserable.  If it's like normal kinda sand and what not it doesn't stick too bad.  

Edited November 22, 2021 by kgillers3

[kgillers3]

2 hours ago, Lurker said:

Wouldn't the rotor downwash get rid of the dust though? I would imagine the same would be true of rainfall, unless it was really pouring. But I imagine the engineers put the wipers there for a reason. 

If it sticks no, and in reference to rain yeah, most of the time if it’s raining I dont have to turn them on and depending on the aircraft, the example below had atrocious wipers.  some wipers are good and some aren’t. 
 

I mean the bell jet ranger doesn’t even have wipers, you just kick it outta trim for a second and continue. Referencing the effects of relative wind in forward flight. 

Edited November 22, 2021 by kgillers3

[Wrcknbckr]

23 hours ago, LooseSeal said:

In terms of extra immersion... I'd be interested to know from any of the Apache guys whether its canopy was susceptible, in desert conditions, to getting dusty. There are plenty of photos of Chinooks and Black Hawks with dust-covered glass, but hard to find any of the Apache. I'm guessing the sponsons block a lot of the dust or just because the cockpit is fairly high off the ground?

It would be interesting, in appropriate modules, to have dust accumulate on the glass over time, particularly during landings/take-offs/low hovers, and then need to wipe it off.

Apaches would normally operate from more or less prepared terrain, whereas transports would be required to land everywhere on unprepared terrain to deliver the goods/troupes).

[Raptor9]

4 hours ago, Wrcknbckr said:

Apaches would normally operate from more or less prepared terrain, whereas transports would be required to land everywhere on unprepared terrain to deliver the goods/troupes).

Not sure about the case in other militaries, but US Army AH-64s often land to very un-prepared areas, even FARPs set up in talcum powder-like "moon" dust.