Patch notes discussion thread 2022

[dburne]

  On 10/2/2022 at 8:03 AM, Versor said:

Alt + enter still not working?

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Nope and still causing me big pains. Why in the world ED decided to now mess with something that has not been touched in years... very disappointing to say the least.

Edited October 3, 2022 by dburne

[imacken]

Sorry, but what is the 'alt + enter' issue and why is it causing 'big pains'?

[shagrat]

  On 10/3/2022 at 11:28 PM, dburne said:

 

Nope and still causing me big pains. Why in the world ED decided to now mess with something that has not been touched in years... very disappointing to say the least.

 

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As 'Alt+Enter' is a MS Windows function to (re)-focus the current "window", I doubt ED is messing with anything.

[imacken]

Not sure that is its function, but never mind, what is the issue with DCS and alt + enter?

[Nevyn]

  On 10/4/2022 at 10:31 AM, shagrat said:

As 'Alt+Enter' is a MS Windows function to (re)-focus the current "window", I doubt ED is messing with anything.

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ED disabled it, it was used to gain performance by switching between windowed mode to full screen while in the sim, many games do this, ED says they fixed it so there is no difference now between windowed and full-screen, but they are wrong, you are now stuck in windowed mode and performance for many of us has suffered because of it.

 

From another thread;

Posted Friday at 12:49 PM

From what I spoke with BIGNEWY, the alt enter was removed because they "fixed" the fps issues when not using ALT Enter, but for me it always stay as a windowed...

Edited October 4, 2022 by Nevyn

[imacken]

I am more confused now.  I run DCS in full screen mode (with the 'full screen' ticked in DCS options), which I can tell is working as doing an alt+tab minimises the window.  If it was in windowed mode, it would still be in the background, which is exactly what happens if the 'full screen' option in DCS is not ticked.

So, I can get windowed or full screen mode in DCS, just not using alt+enter.

What is the issue I am missing here?

[Hiob]

  On 10/4/2022 at 11:12 AM, imacken said:

I am more confused now.  I run DCS in full screen mode (with the 'full screen' ticked in DCS options), which I can tell is working as doing an alt+tab minimises the window.  If it was in windowed mode, it would still be in the background, which is exactly what happens if the 'full screen' option in DCS is not ticked.

So, I can get windowed or full screen mode in DCS, just not using alt+enter.

What is the issue I am missing here?

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It's not a general issue. There seem to be an issue for some(!) people. And it's open if the issue is caused by DCS or Windows(-settings) or the interaction between them.

Seemingly for some(!) people, DCS is stucked in windowed mode regardless of the fullscreen setting, which hurts the FPS/ leads to stuttering.

Frankly, I'd wish I could recreate the problem, but I can't. DCS is just working flawlessly in that regard on my end. Exactly as you described. DCS is always in exclusive fullscreen when I not alt-tab out and FPS are perfect (even when windowed).

I'm not disregarding that there seem to be an issue for some, but it definitly doesn't affect everybody. I hope the issue will be solved soon and I'm VERY curious what the culprit is.

[dburne]

  On 10/4/2022 at 10:46 AM, imacken said:

Not sure that is its function, but never mind, what is the issue with DCS and alt + enter?

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In my case it royally screwed up my calibration settings for my Point CTRL unit. I used alt+enter to enter true full screen in DCS for several years. Now poof it is gone for me (VR).

[Hiob]

  On 10/4/2022 at 12:37 PM, dburne said:

In my case it royally screwed up my calibration settings for my Point CTRL unit. I used alt+enter to enter true full screen in DCS for several years. Now poof it is gone for me (VR).

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There is an option in the VR-Settings "Use System-Resolution" or something along those lines, which expands the VR-Mirror to fullscreen size.

[dburne]

  On 10/4/2022 at 12:51 PM, Hiob said:

There is an option in the VR-Settings "Use System-Resolution" or something along those lines, which expands the VR-Mirror to fullscreen size.

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Yeah I tried that unfortunately did not help in my case with my Point CTRL calibration. No worrries I am sure I will get a good calibration done on it once again to allow for this change, just a bit of a PITB which was really unneeded imho.

[scommander2]

  On 10/2/2022 at 8:03 AM, Versor said:

Alt + enter still not working?

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May I ask which version starts malfunction?  Thanks.

[Art-J]

  On 10/4/2022 at 2:37 PM, scommander2 said:

May I ask which version starts malfunction?  Thanks.

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For now - 30348 Open Beta, dated September 21st. Tomorrow, however, Stable version users will be affected as well.

[scommander2]

  On 10/4/2022 at 2:49 PM, Art-J said:

For now - 30348 Open Beta, dated September 21st. Tomorrow, however, Stable version users will be affected as well.

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Thanks... Oh, gee.... it is not a good news

 

[shagrat]

  On 10/4/2022 at 11:12 AM, imacken said:

.What is the issue I am missing here?

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Nothing, people don't understand the function.

If you have multiple monitors that use a virtual screen (basically a borderless window that covers all screens) Alt+Enter will try to "force" that window to fullscreen and if it is a virtual screen it will pop the focus to that one.

Again, this is a Windows function.

The real question should be, what has changed that prevents the DCS Window from acquiring the focus in the first place?

The function to "force fullscreen" should work only with a single screen matching the monitor in windows anyway, as any virtual screen is a "borderless" window by design. 

Edit: what it did/does is forcing the window focus on DCS as "focus window".

Edited October 4, 2022 by shagrat

[Versor]

  On 10/4/2022 at 4:02 PM, shagrat said:

Nothing, people don't understand the function.

If you have multiple monitors that use a virtual screen (basically a borderless window that covers all screens) Alt+Enter will try to "force" that window to fullscreen and if it is a virtual screen it will pop the focus to that one.

Again, this is a Windows function.

The real question should be, what has changed that prevents the DCS Window from acquiring the focus in the first place?

The function to "force fullscreen" should work only with a single screen matching the monitor in windows anyway, as any virtual screen is a "borderless" window by design. 

Edit: what it did/does is forcing the window focus on DCS as "focus window".

 

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Hmm i still don't understand but maybe i don't have to. The main question is --- how to turn on full screen when i'm in VR. Now when i want to turn on somethink almost behind me i several time click somethink on my pulpit and switch DCS to out of focus.

Edited October 4, 2022 by Versor

[shagrat]

  On 10/4/2022 at 4:25 PM, Versor said:

Hmm i still don't understand but maybe i don't have to. The main question is --- how to turn on full screen when i'm in VR. Now when i want to turn on somethink almost behind me i several time click somethink on my pulpit and switch DCS to out of focus.

 

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The misunderstanding here is 'Alt+Enter' is a function from Windows that forces the current Window(!) into full screen, or if not possible (screen in windows is extended over multiple monitors) it will put that window(!) into focus.

This is for the rendering of application windows, not a VR/3D-Scene.

In the past using Alt+Enter could help to force the focus or fullscreen to the DCS simulation window, if another process/application had focus and DCS running "in the background". It seems that behavior has changed.

[Versor]

  On 10/4/2022 at 6:17 PM, shagrat said:

The misunderstanding here is 'Alt+Enter' is a function from Windows that forces the current Window(!) into full screen, or if not possible (screen in windows is extended over multiple monitors) it will put that window(!) into focus.

This is for the rendering of application windows, not a VR/3D-Scene.

In the past using Alt+Enter could help to force the focus or fullscreen to the DCS simulation window, if another process/application had focus and DCS running "in the background". It seems that behavior has changed.

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Ok. Now i understand. Thx

[dburne]

Or maybe we all just dreamed this lol. Maybe I will wake up from this nightmare...

Edited October 5, 2022 by dburne

[scommander2]

  On 10/4/2022 at 3:11 PM, scommander2 said:

Thanks... Oh, gee.... it is not a good news

 

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Just download the stable version.  I have to agree with @Art-J "Enter+Alt" is completely broken... 

I am used to drag & drop the windowized DCS to my external bigger monitor and "Enter+Alt" to make a full screen.  Now, I am no longer to do so.... and I do not think that I can play my DCS with the small 5"x4" window on my extenal monitor.

Any suggestion?

Edited October 5, 2022 by scommander2

[draconus]

  On 10/5/2022 at 6:58 PM, scommander2 said:

Any suggestion?

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Set the bigger screen as main display and run DCS. If that doesn't work set it as the only display. All options are in windows display settings.

Edited October 5, 2022 by draconus

[Hiob]

  On 10/5/2022 at 6:58 PM, scommander2 said:

Just download the stable version.  I have to agree with @Art-J "Enter+Alt" is completely broken... 

I am used to drag & drop the windowized DCS to my external bigger monitor and "Enter+Alt" to make a full screen.  Now, I am no longer to do so.... and I do not think that I can play my DCS with the small 5"x4" window on my extenal monitor.

Any suggestion?

 

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Have you configured your monitors as one virtual display or as two separate monitors?

[scommander2]

Thanks and it is not the best option.

If ED provides the feature "Enter+Alt" before, and can ED keep this feature?

 

  On 10/5/2022 at 7:26 PM, Hiob said:

Have you configured your monitors as one virtual display or as two separate monitors?

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I am running on DCS on my laptop and DCS will be on the external monitor.  So, two separate monitors are actually.

Edited October 5, 2022 by scommander2

[Hiob]

I have two monitors too. Not a laptop though. When the W11 update is through, I will try if it runs on the other one in fullscreen. (For me the main display is No1 in Windows and DCS behaves perfectly on it.)

[scommander2]

  On 10/5/2022 at 9:06 PM, Hiob said:

I have two monitors too. Not a laptop though. When the W11 update is through, I will try if it runs on the other one in fullscreen. (For me the main display is No1 in Windows and DCS behaves perfectly on it.)

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Thanks for the respone and testing it for me.

My No 1 monitor is at laptop and it is the default monitor, and my No 2 monitor is the external monitor.  I was used to run my DCS on my No 2 monitor with "Enter+Alt" to make it as full-screen.

I did test "Enter+Alt" on No 1 monitor and it is no longer to make full-screen also

 

 

[exhausted]

Can you fix the Skiramp bug with the Su-25?