not planned or realistic Kola peninsula: a "must-have" unit

[sith1144]

I am of course talking about the Lun class Ekranoplan as seen in the video game World in Conflict! It'd be really cool to see this in DCS, skimming the ocean at almost 300 knots!

 

[upyr1]

Yes 

[F-2]

Yea that would be pretty cool

[twistking]

cool indeed!

[bies]

It was used by the Soviet navy during 1980s, but it couldn't operate on ocean, only at closed calm seas like Caspian Sea. Never intended to be used in Arctic. Only one single craft was built.

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"(...) although the ground effect enabled it to fly at low altitude, in order to utilize the effect it had to fly as low as 1.5–3.0 m (5–10 ft) off the water due to its short wingspan, so it could not fly when seas were even mildly rough.

Another was that the craft was only designed to use the ground effect principle, so it could not ascend to higher cruising altitudes. The requirement for calm seas to operate and inability to fly above them if they weren't greatly limited where it was able to deploy."

But yes, it was unique distinct interesting design. Just not suited for Arctic.

Edited August 6, 2022 by bies

[MAXsenna]

On 8/6/2022 at 8:11 AM, bies said:

It was used by the Soviet navy during 1980s, but it couldn't operate on ocean, only at closed calm seas like Caspian Sea. Never intended to be used in Arctic. Only one single craft was built.

But yes, it was unique distinct interesting design. Just not suited for Arctic.

 

Thank you. That's interesting. Pretty sure "it" was used in the first mission of "Euro Fighter Typhoon", the sequel to "EF 2000".

Cheers! 

[tripod3]

Kola needs submarine warfare improvements. Sonobuys, new torpedoes and missiles, naval bases.

[rkk01]

3 hours ago, tripod3 said:

Kola needs submarine warfare improvements. Sonobuys, new torpedoes and missiles, naval bases.

Absolutely this…

No point having carrier Ops without ASW, incl SSN / SSK vs SSNBM

[Stratos]

And Norwegian army units, M-24, M-48, Leo-1...

[Northstar98]

What about a P-3 Orion as a BLUFOR counterpart to the Tu-142 that we have?

P-3s used to be based out of Andøya Air Station, so we'll have a base for it on the map (same goes for the -142 on Severomorsk-1).

My personal preference would be a mid 80s, USN, P-3C Update II. It's almost entirely dedicated to ASW (the Tu-142 is entirely dedicated to ASW IRL AFAIK), but it does at least carry a surface-search radar and the AGM-84 Harpoon.

If you wanted to be accurate to Norway and the aircraft actually based at Andøya is the P-3B, though I'm less certain that it carries the Harpoon (Norway did use the P-3C, but that's more at the very end of the Cold War).

Edited August 7, 2022 by Northstar98

[Fisherman82]

47 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

What about a P-3 Orion as a BLUFOR counterpart to the Tu-142 that we have?

P-3s used to be based out of Andøya Air Station, so we'll have a base for it on the map (same goes for the -142 on Severomorsk-1).

My personal preference would be a mid 80s, USN, P-3C Update II. It's almost entirely dedicated to ASW (the Tu-142 is entirely dedicated to ASW IRL AFAIK), but it does at least carry a surface-search radar and the AGM-84 Harpoon.

If you wanted to be accurate to Norway and the aircraft actually based at Andøya is the P-3B, though I'm less certain that it carries the Harpoon (Norway did use the P-3C, but that's more at the very end of the Cold War).

 

Always good to get more units to the core but you do know there is a P3 in the Military Aircraft Mod I hope so you dont have yo wait for it?

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3307071/

[Callsign112]

8 hours ago, tripod3 said:

Kola needs submarine warfare improvements. Sonobuys, new torpedoes and missiles, naval bases.

+1 to this plus all the posts that followed.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

I was going to discuss what this would entail on the part of ED... buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut.. then you had to go and post World in Conflict. I can't say no to that.

[SkateZilla]

Basing regional assets off a previous Fictional game does not make sense.

if the Unit was deployed and facilitated heavily, in real life, maybe.

[sith1144]

On 8/13/2022 at 8:05 PM, SkateZilla said:

Basing regional assets off a previous Fictional game does not make sense.

if the Unit was deployed and facilitated heavily, in real life, maybe.

It makes perfect sense! When WiC did it it was very cool, so if DCS does it it'll be very cool too. likewise others have mentioned ASW, despite that being a fictional game mechanic (when's the last time a submerged sub was sunk in combat? The whole field is hypothetical and used exclusively for wargames)

Not to mention, modern combat on the Kola peninsula is also fictional. So it's no different than World In Conflict!

[SharpeXB]

1 hour ago, sith1144 said:

It makes perfect sense! When WiC did it it was very cool, so if DCS does it it'll be very cool too.

Clearly you misunderstand the nature of DCS, it’s a sim and not a fantasy game. There likely isn’t enough information on this to realistically incorporate it. Only one of these was ever made and deployed in the Caspian Fleet. So it’s not realistic for Kola. 

Edited August 18, 2022 by SharpeXB

[sith1144]

2 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

Clearly you misunderstand the nature of DCS, it’s a sim and not a fantasy game. There likely isn’t enough information on this to realistically incorporate it. Only one of these was ever made and deployed in the Caspian Fleet. So it’s not realistic for Kola. 

 

I understand perfectly well what DCS is: a videogame. Its only a sim if the FAA lets you log hours. I bet you can find more information on, say, the powerplant of the Lun than the powerplant of the Nimitz and they sell that for money.
As for theater: I dont know about you but I mostly play what-ifs in DCS. Otherwise there's no point to making a modern Kola map; the only plane we have that would otherwise be realistic to use on the map is the Mosquito, and I'm pretty sure the shipping raids in Norway were done by bomber mosquitos, not fighter bombers. And of course the map is the modern version, not ww2, so that doesn't make sense either. So don't kid yourself: if you want the map to do anything other than simulated exercises and Tu-95 escorts, it is to play fantasy scenarios. I don't see how it harms your fantasy scenario to have an extra tool available you choose not to use.

[SharpeXB]

55 minutes ago, sith1144 said:

I understand perfectly well what DCS is: a videogame. Its only a sim if the FAA lets you log hours

A sim doesn’t need to be that realistic to be included in this genre. A “sim” is simply a game that strives for realism. 

[Tippis]

5 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

A sim doesn’t need to be that realistic to be included in this genre. A “sim” is simply a game that strives for realism. 

You realise that this works the exact opposite to your previous argument, right?

[HotTom]

1 hour ago, sith1144 said:

the only plane we have that would otherwise be realistic to use on the map is the Mosquito, and I'm pretty sure the shipping raids in Norway were done by bomber mosquitos, not fighter bombers. 

No. The Banff Strike Wing flew all FBVIs. Spend more time on history and less time on fantasy and you'll know this stuff.

Edited August 18, 2022 by HotTom

[sith1144]

6 minutes ago, HotTom said:

No. The Banff Strike Wing flew all FBVIs. Spend more time on history and less time on fantasy and you'll know this stuff.

 

Being wrong was explicitly possible. Bet theres loads of stuff you dont know, no need to get your knickers in a twist over it over it mate.

[MAXsenna]

44 minutes ago, HotTom said:

No. The Banff Strike Wing flew all FBVIs. Spend more time on history and less time on fantasy and you'll know this stuff.

 

Even if he got that little detail wrong, his argument still holds up while discussing with the Wishhunter.  

[upyr1]

I know ED has said no, but how about a mod?

[SharpeXB]

5 hours ago, sith1144 said:

I understand perfectly well what DCS is: a videogame. Its only a sim if the FAA lets you log hours.

PS Looks like DCS qualifies as a sim

 

[Moxica]

FWIW: Norway has routinely intercepted russian aircraft as long as I can remember. I barely remember F104 starfighter, then the F 16. Those flights over my hometown made my fascination for the F 16. Later we have acquired F35s..
Here is a google search if anyone are looking for single-mission-inspiration. 


https://www.google.com/search?q=norway+intercepts+russian+jets&rlz=1C1GCEA_enNO895NO901&oq=norway+intercepst&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0i13j0i13i30.9406j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Edited August 19, 2022 by Moxica