correct as is Maverick boresight and parallax

[USA_Recon]

I followed the instructions per the patch notes but the boresight isn’t working on cold start .  It’s not close to the pre targeting pod location 

[AngryViper.101]

34 minutes ago, USA_Recon said:

I followed the instructions per the patch notes but the boresight isn’t working on cold start .  It’s not close to the pre targeting pod location 

I am busy downloading the latest open beta patches, I am hoping it does work on cold start ;-(

[AngryViper.101]

I performed a test on a single player mission and managed to boresight.

Using 2 x H and it worked

Using 2 x K and it also worked

I think they have fixed the bug, perhaps load a track so that ED can see what you are doing.

[St4RgAz3R]

After the last patch 25/01 maverick boresight is still off once you are airborne. You can boresight the missiles fine with the new procedure while on the ground but once you go airborne , the tgp and mavs are not alligned any more. Track below demonstrates boresighting on ground and once in the air you can see i lock a target with the tgp but the missile is looking far off to the left

mav boresight off.trk

[void68]

Do boresighting a target far away, the further, the better (Parallax errors!). Also, hitting Boresight Button a few times more than necessary (>1!) helped in my case a lot of times - no joke. Give it a try.

Edit: no, doesn't work, sometimes it does, sometimes not. In active pause it worked after 3 times, all of a sudden.

Edited February 9, 2023 by void68

[Lord Vader]

Hi @St4RgAz3R

I watched your track and observed that you are using a vehicle at the end of the runway opposite to your starting point. That's is a pretty valid boresight target, but it's at approx. 1.20nm. That may seem enough to boresight, however, remember that if you pick close targets to aim, like aerodrome off ground items such as antennas or even scenery objects as in this case, there's a slight chance ground boresight alignment becomes offset due to parallax.

When I took over your track, that's what I observed, a parallax induced error that's not at that far off, but is noticeable. In combat, targets are usually more than 3 miles away, so it's advised that you pick farther targets to align. I did just that by taxiing to the left and picking on of those houses in the hills at about 2nm, still not optimal, but the alignment was flawless.

We will continue to monitor the boresight alignment and may tweak it in the future if necessary. But for now, we believe this is accurate.

[St4RgAz3R]

Tnanks for the reply. Yes you are right . I tried boresighting with a target at about 3.5 miles and the boresight was spot on . It's a little misleading though that in the patch notes it says at least 1 mile and up you should be fine because clearly at 1 mile maybe up to 2 it doesn't work. So 2 miles and up you should be fine. Thank you for your help, i think this will help a lot of people because a lot had trouble with this. Now please take a look at VIS mode there are some issues there..

[USA_Recon]

4 hours ago, warford said:

I performed a test on a single player mission and managed to boresight.

Using 2 x H and it worked

Using 2 x K and it also worked

I think they have fixed the bug, perhaps load a track so that ED can see what you are doing.

I suspect my target was too close .

is this a code issue or simulating real life ?

 

(1nm)

[Sinclair_76]

1 hour ago, USA_Recon said:

I suspect my target was too close .

is this a code issue or simulating real life ?

 

(1nm)

Real life. 

 

 

Edited January 26, 2023 by Sinclair_76

[104th_Crunch]

1 hour ago, USA_Recon said:

I suspect my target was too close .

is this a code issue or simulating real life ?

 

(1nm)

Parallax. Since the Targeting Pod and Maverick seeker are a distance apart, they will have a different line of site angle to the object that is targeted. the further away you boresight, the less that parallax issue becomes. 

 

[AngryViper.101]

I have done another test, using the Buddyspike server 'Persian Gulf'

 

Took 2 x H class marvicks on those LAU-117 pylon brackets and managed to boresight and engage two targets at long range. So it is working much better!

I did however 

1. cold start

2. took off, 

3. boresighted to a watch tower will in-flight 

4. then flew to my target 80 nm out and managed to lock on and engage both targets, also used the ripple RP - 2 so that the mavericks shot with one weapon release depress.

 

Will do more tests witht  the other LAU pod that allows one to mount 3 x Mav H class on one pylon. I did that earlier today and it seemed ok, 

BUT boresighting on the runway it most likely going to introduce the parallex error, I have a bit more success flying around and boresighting in flight now.

[Lord Vader]

On 1/26/2023 at 12:04 PM, St4RgAz3R said:

Tnanks for the reply. Yes you are right . I tried boresighting with a target at about 3.5 miles and the boresight was spot on . It's a little misleading though that in the patch notes it says at least 1 mile and up you should be fine because clearly at 1 mile maybe up to 2 it doesn't work. So 2 miles and up you should be fine. Thank you for your help, i think this will help a lot of people because a lot had trouble with this. Now please take a look at VIS mode there are some issues there..

Hi again.

Technically, you can do a 1nm boresight alignment and it's not that bad, just slightly off. Prior to this correction boresight alignment was nowhere near the actual TPOD target.

Like I said, your misalignment is not that off in your tracks, just slightly off, you just need adjustment between SPI and Mav seeker. So it is working, just not as accurate as a 3nm or more alignment, due to weapon/pod actual limitations.

 

[St4RgAz3R]

20 hours ago, Lord Vader said:

Hi again.

Technically, you can do a 1nm boresight alignment and it's not that bad, just slightly off. Prior to this correction boresight alignment was nowhere near the actual TPOD target.

Like I said, your misalignment is not that off in your tracks, just slightly off, you just need adjustment between SPI and Mav seeker. So it is working, just not as accurate as a 3nm or more alignment, due to actual weapon/pod actual limitations.

 

HI @Lord Vader

i see your point and i agree that it is now infinite better than previous , but keep in mind that a slight misalignment basically makes the weapon unusable at that stand off range that it has 8-9 nm because you can see the target on the tpod but with the mav seeker it's almost impossible to make out the target at that distance especially if it is a small target like a tank. It also makes useless the auto function in the tpod because due to the misalgniment you have to go to the mav page as well to make that correction in order to lock the target. So it is important to be spot on aligned if you want to get the maximum potential out of the mav missile. And i don't mind if it's 2 miles or higher that you have to align it as long as it works i'm happy with it. I even tried aligning it while on air which works even better.

Keep up the good work!  

[Bunny Clark]

On 1/26/2023 at 12:08 PM, warford said:

BUT boresighting on the runway it most likely going to introduce the parallex error, I have a bit more success flying around and boresighting in flight now.

And this is exactly why boresighting in flight is the preferred method IRL as well. 

[AngryViper.101]

Alright, after several test flights, on multiple servers my conclusion:

Best is to take off, then return to the airport, or another site on route to your target area and use friendly ground units to perform bore sighting while flying. I prefer doing so between 5nm and 8nm away from target to ensure that the parallax error is minimal. This seems to do the trick.

This is also better than before when you had to wait 2 + minutes for the mavericks to warm up, now you can takeoff (just remember to power on the mavericks before going airborne) then go find some friendly ground units on route to target area to use as bait for the boresighting procedure. If you don't have any targets like that then head back to the airport - usually you will find something there to boresight while in-flight.

 

Cheers

[_SteelFalcon_]

You can use scenery buildings too. I use the pod in SP mode and pick a building to align them

Edited January 30, 2023 by _SteelFalcon_

[QuiGon]

3 hours ago, _SteelFalcon_ said:

You can use scenery buildings too. I use the pod in SP mode and pick a building to align them

Same

[Lord Vader]

On 1/28/2023 at 11:49 AM, St4RgAz3R said:

HI @Lord Vader

i see your point and i agree that it is now infinite better than previous , but keep in mind that a slight misalignment basically makes the weapon unusable at that stand off range that it has 8-9 nm because you can see the target on the tpod but with the mav seeker it's almost impossible to make out the target at that distance especially if it is a small target like a tank. It also makes useless the auto function in the tpod because due to the misalgniment you have to go to the mav page as well to make that correction in order to lock the target. So it is important to be spot on aligned if you want to get the maximum potential out of the mav missile. And i don't mind if it's 2 miles or higher that you have to align it as long as it works i'm happy with it. I even tried aligning it while on air which works even better.

Keep up the good work!  

First of all, good luck trying to lock on a target a 8-9nm, even with the D model, even with perfect alignment. 

Second of all, you don't have to continue with the misalignment, you can easily perform the alignment again to correct the parallax error. 

I never said a misalignment is acceptable for operation, but it is expected to happen with possible parallax on close targets for boresighting. You either accept that compromise (if you're in a hurry and, for some reason, are unable to align midair) or you choose a better option to do it, farther away. My personal choice is aerial alignment because, again, I'm not interested in misalignment and I will not be engaging targets as close as 1nm. And if I am, I'm doing something wrong. 

[AngryViper.101]

Works perfectly from a distance ... mmm sounds like the start of a song ...

 

 

[AdrianL]

It is for the A-10 but this article explains why A-10 pilots usually boresight in the air using their wingman https://theaviationgeekclub.com/a-10-pilot-explains-why-warthog-drivers-often-boresight-the-agm-65-maverick-on-wingman-rather-than-on-a-ground-target/

[MVS-Viper]

Hi,

So yes, the new Maverick Ground Boresight Procedure works.  But, it is kind of a guessing game as to -- did you use an object far enough in the distance for the boresight to work. 

Not sure what the solution is but it is very frustrating to take off thinking your weapons are boresighted (only to find out they are not when you are over the target area).  All because the object you used to boresight the weapon was not far enough.

Any suggestions for a solution to this problem would be greatly appreciated.

 

[EddieMuntz]

Hi Mate there is a topic started already in the forum regarding the parallax error if you bore sight an airfield static, such as a vehicle, suggestion is to taxi to a point where you can boresight on a light source in the distance which would reduce this error.

[BIGNEWY]

posts merged 

 

[MVS-Viper]

11 hours ago, EddieMuntz said:

Hi Mate there is a topic started already in the forum regarding the parallax error if you bore sight an airfield static, such as a vehicle, suggestion is to taxi to a point where you can boresight on a light source in the distance which would reduce this error.

Thanks Eddie.  I’ll try your suggestion to the light source and check out the post on the parallax error.

 So does the distance to the object not matter - while on the ground?  If the distance does matter - is there a minimum/maximum distance limit?

 

Edited January 31, 2023 by MVS-Viper

[EddieMuntz]

No expert, the post provides more detail than I can, but I would imagine the further away would be be more akin to your employment of the weapon, cos if you boresight on a truck headlight at 1nm, you would never shoot a Mav at that range unless your super good or in a right pickle and i think at that range youe would be more concentrating on other things.  The distance does matter on the ground at a short distance due to the difference in location of the Mav on the wing pylon and the tgp on the cheek station. In the same way as if you stretch your arm out, and put your thumb on a reference point, then alternate open and closing your left and right eye.

Im not sure the correct range but i guess the limit of the MAV would be a good start, may be an idea to set up a mission with the TV mast static ,i think this has lights on it, at set range or at least within the MAV WEZ. PG map east of Dubai is ideal as its flat as a witches tit.

If memory serves wags video does it whilst in the air, which i guess would match exactly to the employment of the weapon, but for me in the I'm concentrating on other things while in the air, like looking like a cool M****** F***** in a F16......and not crashing.

 

Good Luck