Pre-order, 17th of February’23

[AdrianL]

2 hours ago, cfrag said:

Pre-supposing that I still can play a DCS module I purchased via Steam after ED goes down,

You still would need to authenticate against ED for auth data, as in standalone. So there is no difference.  Offline mode is only so long.

 

[Scott-S6]

Steam Vs Standalone - standalone gives you access to both sets of sales, steam only gives you access to steam sales.

[cfrag]

25 minutes ago, AdrianL said:

You still would need to authenticate against ED for auth data, as in standalone. So there is no difference.

Thank you for that information. I've previous read here that 

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Also with the Steam version, the authorization check is processed via Steam servers and not via ED servers. Due to that, Steam guarantees functionality even after the developer/publisher retreats from steam / goes bancrupt. If ED ever stops supporting DCS (i.e. after going bancrupt), the Standalone version will most propably be completely unfunctional and ready for uninstall, while the Steam version will still be functional. At least single player will be.

Now I no longer know what is true, so I'm glad I only used that particular case as an hypothetical  

 

[AdrianL]

Pretty sure, if ED went bankrupt, they would do something to keep people having access to their current licenses. Not sure I would even worry about this.  

As for steam vs standalone, ED have stated they happy either way so not sure why this is still being discussed. 

Make the choice that works for you

[AhSoul]

1 hour ago, Scott-S6 said:

Steam Vs Standalone - standalone gives you access to both sets of sales, steam only gives you access to steam sales.

Oh really? I thought you had to either buy on one or the other platform for everything. Is that because if I'm on Standalone, I can buy on Steam then transfer it across to Standalone?

[Nahen]

On 2/24/2023 at 5:32 PM, AhSoul said:

Oh really? I thought you had to either buy on one or the other platform for everything. Is that because if I'm on Standalone, I can buy on Steam then transfer it across to Standalone?

Yes

Edited February 27, 2023 by Nahen

[AdrianL]

8 minutes ago, AhSoul said:

I can buy on Steam then transfer it across to Standalone

Yes. See https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/support/faq/500/#3303126

Only steam to standalone. No standalone transfer to steam

[AhSoul]

Cool I didn't know you could do it piecemeal. Interesting. Not sure I'd ever find it useful, but good to know 

[Scott-S6]

On 2/24/2023 at 4:44 PM, AhSoul said:

Cool I didn't know you could do it piecemeal. Interesting. Not sure I'd ever find it useful, but good to know 

Yeah, I mostly don't buy modules on steam but it's nice to have both options for sales.

2 options (standalone edition) better than 1 option (steam edition). QED

Edited February 27, 2023 by Scott-S6

[C3PO]

Lost track - have pre-ordered but was wondering when the F-15E is going to be released?

[Jeb]

40 minutes ago, C3PO said:

Lost track - have pre-ordered but was wondering when the F-15E is going to be released?

nobody can answer that question here..

 

[Silver_Dragon]

48 minutes ago, C3PO said:

Lost track - have pre-ordered but was wondering when the F-15E is going to be released?

No dates put yet

[cfrag]

1 hour ago, C3PO said:

when the F-15E is going to be released?

Unless the answer is "today", it's always in "two weeks". It's an industry standard, so I hear.

[cfrag]

3 hours ago, AdrianL said:

Not sure I would even worry about this

I don't. It was brought up in the context of a thought experiment as a purely hypothetical case versus if Steam went bankrupt (which I also don't worry too much about). What can I say, no real problems to worry about. Must be Friday  

 

[Kayos]

They have been very quiet since the pre-order.  You'd think they would have picked up content.

[Njinsa]

At least 3 extremely resourceful RB F-15E Discord members were joined to RB Moderator group as SMEs.

A former WSO and 2 CCs. If you want to tweak a flight model, tune up radar other pieces planned for EA release, you want this crowd under your flag. 

Pure gold IMHO.

[pii]

On 2/24/2023 at 6:43 AM, Rex said:

I'm not knocking your decision whatsoever.  To each their own.  I don't use Steam for DCS (I personally don't want ED to take the 30% haircut), but I do use it for some games (I could give a frig less if EA takes a 30% haircut, or a 90% haircut for that matter).

That said, I often worry about having so many games under one tent.  If Steam's servers go down, or they go out of business, there's going to be a whole bunch of things that I can't play.

A few weeks ago I couldn't launch anything until I updated Steam, and the update server wasn't in good shape (at least from my network), leaving me without my content for maybe an hour ... admittedly not long ... but enough to realize "oh crap, I have so much tied up in that thing that if Steam has a bad hair day, I'm out quite a bit of my content".

I get the convenience, but centralization is kind of a double-edged sword. One company could take 20, 30, 50, 100 of your titles (and thousands of your entertainment dollars) with them if they go down.

I mean, if you worry about such things.

 

My thinking is along these lines also.

Believe me I use Steam a LOT nothing against them, heck I have over 900+ games there. I just changed to DCS stand alone to do my little thing to help ED thrive in such a niche market. This was way back when they were just starting to become what they are today, an OS for flight sims with greeat third party developers, so I wanted to support that. I’ve read a lot reasons why not to support ED like alot of us do and a lot of them I never even thought of but can make perfect sense. So whatever floats your boat is fine but if you are able I would encourage you to switch..

To cfrag) I also have all the other third party game apps on my PC and have no issues with them and as far as I am concerned its all Steam. I just click on a icon and it opens the appropriate app and starts the game. Not knocking your history with them I just wanted to let others know thats not always the case.

With that said the IRS  man left something under my pillow and now I'm the proud owner of 55 dollars and 95 cents worth of F-15 air.

  

  Happing flying!

 

On 2/24/2023 at 1:34 PM, Jeb said:

nobody can answer that question here..

 

But you can rest assured the delayed delayed Pre-order won't delay the unkown release date. 

[pii]

On 2/24/2023 at 6:43 AM, Rex said:

If Steam's servers go down, or they go out of business

I was actually around when Steam first started and this was a big concern of users and Steam said if they ever go under they would remove all the DRM on your games. Not sure  I believe them but I don't think they will go out of business anytime soon now. I'll probably be "gone" before they are so I'm not worried. 

[Rex]

29 minutes ago, pii said:

I was actually around when Steam first started and this was a big concern of users and Steam said if they ever go under they would remove all the DRM on your games. Not sure  I believe them but I don't think they will go out of business anytime soon now. I'll probably be "gone" before they are so I'm not worried. 

That's comforting ... somewhat.   I think.

You'll excuse me for being a little jaded, though.  If they sell, they'll lose the ability to fulfill that promise.

"Even ardent supporters of the company were immediately skeptical that Facebook’s business model could rot the foundation of Oculus’ VR ambitions with invasive user-tracking and ad serving.

To assuage such fears, Facebook, on behalf of Oculus’ founder, Palmer Luckey, promised in no uncertain terms that users would never be required to log-in with Facebook to Oculus headsets, nor would developers need to do so to develop content for those headsets.

It was the day of the announcement of Oculus’ acquisition that Luckey took to the Oculus community on Reddit to offer explanations to angry supporters. “I guarantee that you won’t need to log into your Facebook account every time you wanna use the Oculus Rift,” he said in response to a Redditor asking if he could at least promise that much.

Yesterday the company demolished that promise when it announced that it would begin requiring all new users of Oculus headsets to log-in with a Facebook account starting in October, and that existing users would also be required to log-in by the end of 2022 if they wanted to retain full use of their headsets.

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Edited February 27, 2023 by Rex

[pii]

1 hour ago, Rex said:

That's comforting ... somewhat.   I think.

You'll excuse me for being a little jaded, though.  If they sell, they'll lose the ability to fulfill that promise.

"Even ardent supporters of the company were immediately skeptical that Facebook’s business model could rot the foundation of Oculus’ VR ambitions with invasive user-tracking and ad serving.

To assuage such fears, Facebook, on behalf of Oculus’ founder, Palmer Luckey, promised in no uncertain terms that users would never be required to log-in with Facebook to Oculus headsets, nor would developers need to do so to develop content for those headsets.

It was the day of the announcement of Oculus’ acquisition that Luckey took to the Oculus community on Reddit to offer explanations to angry supporters. “I guarantee that you won’t need to log into your Facebook account every time you wanna use the Oculus Rift,” he said in response to a Redditor asking if he could at least promise that much.

Yesterday the company demolished that promise when it announced that it would begin requiring all new users of Oculus headsets to log-in with a Facebook account starting in October, and that existing users would also be required to log-in by the end of 2022 if they wanted to retain full use of their headsets.

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I’d say it’s not even doable but to be fair this was a long time ago and things were a lot different with Steam positioning them as the DRM on their platform.

FACEBOOK SUXS

I just had to update my Rift account !@##@%!@#!#$@#@#%^&!!!!! Yeah that suxs, now they know my porn habits.

[ironhard]

I'm one step away from deleting my facebook and instagram accounts altogether. **** predators!

 

[Father Cool]

On 2/24/2023 at 4:41 PM, AdrianL said:

Yes. See https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/support/faq/500/#3303126

Only steam to standalone. No standalone transfer to steam

Which is why I use steam as if I ever have to transfer across to standalone I still have my modules. I was Steam in the beginning then went to standalone because people said to do so. was there for a couple of months, had massive issues with updating and then the game messing up and refusing to play requiring a complete reinstall so migrated back to steam for game repair convenience and download speed and I've been there ever since. It just works so much better for me and to shut us steam users out on this pre-order is an appalling decision by Razbam.

[AhSoul]

What they probably *should* have done, is just have a 20% discount from the start of EA, and simply not do this whole pre-order at all.

Bit late now though 

[Father Cool]

Or do steam anyway and make it 20% on there instead of 30% if that was an issue. Surely any % of something is better than 0% of nothing?

[Frost]

Until when will the F-15E be pre-orderable?