correct as-is Landing gear after update.

[BIGNEWY]

threads merged.

thank you 

[vctpil]

Hi,

There is something I didn't see in all the posts.

Without the burble effect, I can land without damage on the SC.

With the burble effect, the landing gear is sometimes damaged.

Anybody notice that?

[Harley]

On 3/6/2024 at 10:02 PM, markom said:

You totally can: 

 

Eh, yeah, so not to be a jerk at all, you're well below the glideslope there. That was a greased landing on the boat for sure, but even the meatball shows you well below glidepath.

It seems a little unfortunate that we went from having to be on speed at 5° AOA to grab the wire at all to breaking the trunnions at just over 3°. It is much less forgiving than before, but more realistic? I don't know. There are reasons that most of us aren't real naval aviators, perhaps this is one of them, but we've all seen some pretty rough landings without damaging the gear reliably. Maybe make it a randomizer with an average chance of breaking the gear until being obviously outside the envelope? It's a pretty stark contrast and a bit of a shock. But, it made me have to learn the ACLS and maintain glideslope. It's still difficult to land on the carrier, and fine tuning is essential, but wow. If this is more realistic, then I've got a lot more airplane to manage. I suppose I accept that challenge.

Edited April 3, 2024 by Harley
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[markom]

12 hours ago, Harley said:

Eh, yeah, so not to be a jerk at all, you're well below the glideslope there. That was a greased landing on the boat for sure, but even the meatball shows you well below glidepath.

 

Yeah, not being an actual F/A-18 pilot helps not being on the glideslope, but that really has nothing to do with the touchdown. It is doable was the point.

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

Regarding the glideslope, I have a question. I've watched some YouTube ACLS landings, including Wags. I noticed the FLOLS ball falls below the green datum lights or glideslope (see video) when the aircraft approaches the ramp even though the VV is above the horizontal needle in the HUD. But the aircraft still catches the 3rd wire. Manual landings in such instances would normally catch the 2nd wire from what I have seen. Can anyone explain why? Because I presume the ACLS is doing a 'good textbook' landing here.        

 

Edited April 23, 2024 by GrEaSeLiTeNiN

[Weed89]

gears keep breaking now 1 out of 3 landings..they did NOT do this before like this...why did they find the NEED to screw with the landing gear all of the suddon??????

[Tholozor]

What's your gross weight?

[Wroblowaty]

I didn't damaged the landing gear even once after the update, despite making a lot of carrier and land base landings. Just keep your gross weight and decent rate in limits.

[Shimmergloom667]

On 6/9/2024 at 6:31 AM, Weed89 said:

gears keep breaking now 1 out of 3 landings..they did NOT do this before like this...why did they find the NEED to screw with the landing gear all of the suddon??????

Because the landing gear was pretty much impervious beforehand, which got rightfully fixed. Stay within acceptable limits and everything will work as intended.

[Fish]

Here's a track. Touchdown looks to be 1050fpm.

Touchdown weight was 34,364lbs. 

Left gear damage.

For a GS of 3deg, at onspeed of 145knots, the decent rate is going to be close to 750fpm. Leaving not much margin for a gust of wind or downdraft in bad weather to take you over the 1000fpm, and consequent damage?? 

 

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Edited June 11, 2024 by Fish

[Shimmergloom667]

8 hours ago, Fish said:

Here's a track. Touchdown looks to be 1050fpm.

Touchdown weight was 34,364lbs. 

Left gear damage.

For a GS of 3deg, at onspeed of 145knots, the decent rate is going to be close to 750fpm. Leaving not much margin for a gust of wind or downdraft in bad weather to take you over the 1000fpm, and consequent damage?? 

 

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F-18C unrestricted trap weight is 33.000 lbs - you are too heavy to begin with, and yes: coming in too heavy means little margin for errors.

[Foka]

As Shimmergloom667 said, plus 1050 fpm is a bit too much. Aim to touchdown at ~750 fpm. So you were a bit too heavy and a bit too high descend rate = damaged gear.

[Fish]

7 hours ago, Shimmergloom667 said:

F-18C unrestricted trap weight is 33.000 lbs ...................

That explains it all right. Been training with this template, and getting a high % of bolters/damage gear. Will need to dump 1600lbs of fuel.

[BarTzi]

13 hours ago, Fish said:

That explains it all right. Been training with this template, and getting a high % of bolters/damage gear. Will need to dump 1600lbs of fuel.

Fuel should not be what you are dumping. Your jet is fully armed, exceeding the bring back weight. Drop some of those missiles.

Edited June 12, 2024 by BarTzi

[Foka]

7 hours ago, BarTzi said:

Fuel should not be what you are dumping. Your jet is fully armed, exceeding the bring back weight. Drop some of those missiles.

 

Wrong.

Fuel is the first thing to dump. It's the cheapest and easiest to replace.

But we would have start with mission planning and something called bring back weight - you plan your loadout for a situation you won't deploy any weapons and you still have to be able to dump fuel to recovery weight with enough fuel for safe recovery. Taking full load of JSOWs or 2000lbs bobs is not realistic.
You also should drop empty fuel tanks, unless emergency situation.

[BarTzi]

1 hour ago, Foka said:

Wrong.

Fuel is the first thing to dump. It's the cheapest and easiest to replace.

But we would have start with mission planning and something called bring back weight - you plan your loadout for a situation you won't deploy any weapons and you still have to be able to dump fuel to recovery weight with enough fuel for safe recovery. Taking full load of JSOWs or 2000lbs bobs is not realistic.
You also should drop empty fuel tanks, unless emergency situation.

You have to maintain a certain amount of fuel for multiple landing attempts. In his config, fuel should not be dumped. I don't think there's anything to gain from landing with those Aim7's, since he is starting from the air, and this isn't really a mission, but a training scenario with just one goal - landing.

Edited June 12, 2024 by BarTzi

[Foka]

If this is airstart training, just edit mission for correct loadout, fuel and weight. I just mention that to not learn dumping missiles whenever you want.

[Weed89]

since the LAST update my fa-18 has constant gear damage from Almost every landing  SOFT or HARD...and EVEN takeoffs now   it is rediculas !!  even my wingman friend has exact same issues!!  NEVER had these issues before the update...Now it is CONSTANT...a GAME ender almost.  WHEN will it be fixed???  like i said  Even breaks on take off...so do not want to hear...GLIDE SLOPE  etc....  ED  broke Something  on the UPDATE!

[Shimmergloom667]

2 hours ago, Weed89 said:

since the LAST update my fa-18 has constant gear damage from Almost every landing  SOFT or HARD...and EVEN takeoffs now   it is rediculas !!  even my wingman friend has exact same issues!!  NEVER had these issues before the update...Now it is CONSTANT...a GAME ender almost.  WHEN will it be fixed???  like i said  Even breaks on take off...so do not want to hear...GLIDE SLOPE  etc....  ED  broke Something  on the UPDATE!

Post a track and we can tell you more. None of what you describe happens to me or the people I fly with, so unless you have a track for more detail no one will be able to help. Hint: ED didn't change a thing with the landing gear for a good while now.

[rob10]

18 hours ago, Shimmergloom667 said:

Post a track and we can tell you more. None of what you describe happens to me or the people I fly with, so unless you have a track for more detail no one will be able to help. Hint: ED didn't change a thing with the landing gear for a good while now.

Agree with this.  Is it easier to break now: heck yes.  Was it nearly impervious previously: hell yes.  So in my books (not having flown an IRL Hornet) it's probably a lot more realistic now.  I can pretty much tell if I'm going to have broken gear based on how I land.  How are you breaking it on takeoff (land/carrier?)?  Post a track because your experience is not typical.

[BarTzi]

On 6/13/2024 at 6:12 AM, Weed89 said:

since the LAST update my fa-18 has constant gear damage from Almost every landing  SOFT or HARD...and EVEN takeoffs now   it is rediculas !!  even my wingman friend has exact same issues!!  NEVER had these issues before the update...Now it is CONSTANT...a GAME ender almost.  WHEN will it be fixed???  like i said  Even breaks on take off...so do not want to hear...GLIDE SLOPE  etc....  ED  broke Something  on the UPDATE!

I don't know a single person who can land the plane correctly in DCS and experiences these issues. 

Edited June 14, 2024 by BarTzi

[fagulha]

On 6/13/2024 at 4:12 AM, Weed89 said:

since the LAST update my fa-18 has constant gear damage from Almost every landing  SOFT or HARD...and EVEN takeoffs now   it is rediculas !!  even my wingman friend has exact same issues!!  NEVER had these issues before the update...Now it is CONSTANT...a GAME ender almost.  WHEN will it be fixed???  like i said  Even breaks on take off...so do not want to hear...GLIDE SLOPE  etc....  ED  broke Something  on the UPDATE!

I do landings everyday (mostly traps but also shore landings) guided by the numbers (landing weight below 33,000 lbs for traps and below 39,000 lbs for shore landings) and i have no issues whatsoever. I only damaged the landing gear once, it was on first day of the new flight model and was for testing. Just a note: all of this in single player, didn´t tried yet in MP. 

 

PS: you said it damaged the landing gear on takeoff, what is your takeoff/rotate speed?

Edited June 14, 2024 by fagulha

[maxTRX]

I know, this vid has been seen by most.  Still, it's refreshing to see it again:

 

[maxTRX]

Well, you caught it Foka  

[Foka]

Video description says it's drop from 20 ft. It makes touchdown speed ~2100 fpm.
On the video it is Super Hornet, not Hornet. So it's VS limit on touchdown is ~1400 fpm, much higher than Hornet.
Still video shows over the limit touchdown speed. Nowhere it says that the landing gear wasn't damaged during test. It's just haven't been destroyed.