Europe Wishlist Thread

[Northstar98]

56 minutes ago, Whiskey11 said:

Even if Pershing and Nike Zeus and other Nike versions weren't FUNCTIONAL, their bases were key bases in West Germany and were notable landmarks.  It'd be incomplete without it and the other sites

Oh, absolutely agreed! (Though I think Nike Hercules and possibly Ajax if there were any should be functional ground units that we can place in the mission editor, like any other SAM system).

Frankly, I find it rather baffling that outside of airbases, military POIs (especially things directly applicable to aircraft such as SAM and EWR sites) are somewhat of an afterthought on our maps, if they're a thought at all.

Syria somewhat improved on this, Sinai moreso but even with Syria it's not exactly done particularly accurately. PG and the Caucasus are as good as absent with only a few sites usable. I don't really see the point of map-object EWRs that we can't use etc.

1 hour ago, Whiskey11 said:

also... ANY East vs West German border map is going to be a SAM NIGHTMARE depending on the era chosen... certainly a modern conflict is very... err... out of place given the reunification but nothing is saying you couldn't "role play" it.

Yep fully agreed.

Though I figure that if a Cold War Germany map is planned, it'll most likely be modern day owing to the data, though if that's the case I hope we get all of the Cold War airbases, SAM, EWR and other relevant military points of interest present - there's enough resources online for just about all of it.

[upyr1]

Si eccellente. Thanks for beating me to this. 

[Qcumber]

38 minutes ago, upyr1 said:

Si eccellente. Thanks for beating me to this. 

It's such a good choice for WW2. I just hope it gets some support. Even if it starts around mid Italy and expands north and south.

[Dragon1-1]

I'd expect there'd be plenty of data for Germany of that era, including maps and such. The border that they showed looks more 80s than modern, though I haven't actually been to the place. Due to huge US presence and general NATO interest in the area, it's quite well documented.

[QuiGon]

Just a reminder (6:15)

And another reminder (1:13:58)

 

Edited April 22, 2024 by QuiGon

[Stratos]

Do we have a single variant of planes used in the mid to late 80's? 

[Northstar98]

On 4/22/2024 at 10:47 AM, Stratos said:

Do we have a single variant of planes used in the mid to late 80's? 

For player modules, of the right timeframe and in theatre during that timeframe. I'll be quite strict and where there's caveats I'll mark them with an asterisk:

• Both F-4Es fit into that timeframe (DSCG is supposed to cover mid 1970s - mid 1990s, DMAS will cover the late 70s/early 80s up to the mid 1990s at least IIRC).
• Tornado IDS (just about, though depending on how different the avionics it could represent an earlier 1980s aircraft).
• 9-12/9-12A MiG-29
• MiG-21bis
• MiG-23MLA (if it ever comes)
• Mi-24P
• *UH-1H(?)

For AI aircraft:

• *An-26 (I think the countermeasures might be a more modern addition)
• Mi-24V
• MiG-27K
• Su-17M4
• Su-24M
• Su-24MR

For the VVS Group of Forces in Germany (as it was known from May 1980 - 1993), the best place I've found so far is this (scroll down until you find the 1980 Organisation).

 

For other aircraft (player and AI) that weren't necessarily in theatre, but were otherwise around for the timeframe:

• A-6E (Depending on the exact version)
• A-7E
• A-50
• AH-1W (without the AGM-114K, only the AGM-114B was around for the AH-1W in the 1980s)
• AH-64A (though again, not with the AGM-114K, only the AGM-114A and AGM-114C was around for the US Army in the 1980s)
• C-101EB/CC
• CH-47D
• F-5E
• *F-5E-3 (Asterisk is here purely because it's somewhat of a hybrid, but it does still fit in the timeframe)
• F-14A-135-GR (early)
• F-14B (just)
• F-104 (depending on variant)
• G.91R/3 /R/4
• Il-76MD (though would've likely had its tail guns fitted).
• Il-78
• KA-6D
• Ka-27PL
• L-39C
• L-39ZA
• Mi-26
• Mirage F1BE, CE and EE.
• MiG-23MLD
• MiG-25PD
• MiG-25RBT
• 9-13S MiG-29S (without the R-77)
• SH-60B
• Su-25
• Su-27S
• UH-60A
• Tu-22M3
• *Tu-95MS6 (though not with missile it's armed with).
• *Tu-142 (depends on what variant it's supposed to be, the missile it has available isn't accurate for any variant AFAIK)

So a pretty decent showing, particularly from AI aircraft.

Edited May 11, 2024 by Northstar98
A-10A is an early 1990s LASTE variant - thanks NATO

[Tom Kazansky]

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[MAXsenna]

To be honest I didn't expect this so soon!

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[Tom Kazansky]

26 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

To be honest I didn't expect this so soon!

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Me neither, and it is still to good to be true. Like many German users here there would be a (small) chance that our home towns are part of this map. I would be too hyped to post my feelings if this came true.

[MAXsenna]

Me neither, and it is still to good to be true. Like many German users here there would be a (small) chance that our home towns are part of this map. I would be too hyped to post my feelings if this came true.

I can totally see that!

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[draconus]

On 4/20/2024 at 9:09 AM, Northstar98 said:

kinda looks like it could be a Cold War Germany map, depicting the inner German border between the GDR and the FRG

It is indeed a nice try to depict the border from the times.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1969_DDR_Grenzschutzanlagen.pdf#/media/File:System_of_gdr_border_fortification.jpg

[upyr1]

On 4/22/2024 at 4:47 AM, Stratos said:

Do we have a single variant of planes used in the mid to late 80's? 

Yes we do. MiG-21 Bis, Mirage F1, Mirage 2kc, Uh-1H, I believe the F-5E, the F-4E will be a later variant. The F-14 variants are 1990s but as long as you don't do Air to mud will pass for the 80s. Then the A-6 and A-7 will be 1980s variants as will the MiG-29. The upcoming fitter and if the mess with razbam gets cleared up the Mig-23.

The Flaming Cliffs planes 

We're missing a period Hornet,  Viper, and an early F-15E. 

[Peterik]

Is this an confirmation? 

[MAXsenna]

Is this an confirmation? 

Sure is!

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[SlipHavoc]

On 4/22/2024 at 4:10 AM, Northstar98 said:

For player modules, of the right timeframe and in theatre during that timeframe. I'll be quite strict and where there's caveats I'll mark them with an asterisk:

• Both F-4Es fit into that timeframe (DSCG is supposed to cover mid 1970s - mid 1990s, DMAS will cover the late 70s/early 80s up to the mid 1990s at least IIRC).
• Tornado IDS (just about, though depending on how different the avionics it could represent an earlier 1980s aircraft).
• 9-12/9-12A MiG-29
• MiG-21bis
• MiG-23MLA (if it ever comes)
• Mi-24P
• *UH-1H(?)

For AI aircraft:

• *An-26 (I think the countermeasures might be a more modern addition)
• Mi-24V
• MiG-27K
• Su-17M4
• Su-24M
• Su-24MR

For the VVS Group of Forces in Germany (as it was known from May 1980 - 1993), the best place I've found so far is this (scroll down until you find the 1980 Organisation).

 

For other aircraft (player and AI) that weren't necessarily in theatre, but were otherwise around for the timeframe:

• A-6E (Depending on the exact version)
• A-7E
• A-50
• AH-1W (without the AGM-114K, only the AGM-114B was around for the AH-1W in the 1980s)
• AH-64A (though again, not with the AGM-114K, only the AGM-114A and AGM-114C was around for the US Army in the 1980s)
• C-101EB/CC
• CH-47D
• F-5E
• *F-5E-3
• F-14A-135-GR (early)
• F-14B (just)
• F-104 (depending on variant)
• G.91R/3 /R/4
• Il-76MD (though would've likely had its tail guns fitted).
• Il-78
• KA-6D
• Ka-27PL
• L-39C
• L-39ZA
• Mi-26
• Mirage F1BE, CE and EE.
• MiG-23MLD
• MiG-25PD
• MiG-25RBT
• 9-13S MiG-29S (without the R-77)
• SH-60B
• UH-60A
• Tu-22M3
• *Tu-95MS6 (though not with missile it's armed with).
• *Tu-142 (depends on what variant it's supposed to be, the missile it has available isn't accurate for any variant AFAIK)

So a pretty decent showing, particularly from AI aircraft.

 

No A-10A, Su-25A, Su-27, MB-339, or Mirage 2000C?  The F-15C was around as well, though possibly with an asterisk, as the game version supposedly has the APG-63(V)1, which was a late '90s/early 2000s radar, but given the level of detail in the FC3 radars I'm not sure that makes much difference.

[Northstar98]

6 hours ago, SlipHavoc said:

No A-10A, Su-25, Su-27

These are omissions on my part - apologies.

6 hours ago, SlipHavoc said:

MB-339

Is a post 1980s MLU variant. I'm only listing aircraft where we have a version that existed during the 1980s.

6 hours ago, SlipHavoc said:

or Mirage 2000C?

Again, not a 1980s variant (RDI w/ NCTR), so it doesn't go on this list.

6 hours ago, SlipHavoc said:

The F-15C was around as well

But not our one, see above.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

On 4/22/2024 at 10:50 AM, Tom Kazansky said:

Me neither, and it is still to good to be true. Like many German users here there would be a (small) chance that our home towns are part of this map. I would be too hyped to post my feelings if this came true.

Especially if you can find the homes of those you have a strong dislike for!

[Tom Kazansky]

33 minutes ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said:

Especially if you can find the homes of those you have a strong dislike for!

[MAXsenna]

Especially if you can find the homes of those you have a strong dislike for!

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[Lancelot]

Great idea. Don't remember any sim from the past covering this scenario.

[EchoOneOne]

DCS: Eastern Europe Map is a game-changer for DCS World, and here's why. First off, it's a goldmine for anyone who loves history or modern combat. You can dive into intense battles from both the Cold War and today, all in one map. That means you get to experience the thrill of different eras right from your cockpit.

Now, let's talk bases. This map is loaded with them. You've got your active air force bases, perfect for modern missions where every second counts. But then you've got these old bases from the Cold War era. It's like stepping back in time and seeing how things used to be.

But wait, there's more. This map isn't just about bases and battles. It's packed with cool stuff to discover. You've got Points of Interest scattered all over the place. And if you're looking to sharpen your skills, there are training grounds over there. Plus, there are road air strips for those who like a challenge, and civilian airports for when you want to switch things up and try something different.

In short, DCS: Eastern Europe Map is a must-have for any DCS World fan. It's like getting a whole new war theatre to explore, with endless possibilities for realistic missions.

It has a great potential as a "Green Map".

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=17dObv0MliuIiWnnLoXreOC8AxB85_mI&ll=52.89040279603918%2C23.11151758019147&z=6

Edited May 2, 2024 by EchoOneOne

[EchoOneOne]

9 minutes ago, EchoOneOne said:

DCS: Eastern Europe Map is a game-changer for DCS World, and here's why. First off, it's a goldmine for anyone who loves history or modern combat. You can dive into intense battles from both the Cold War and today, all in one map. That means you get to experience the thrill of different eras right from your cockpit.

Now, let's talk bases. This map is loaded with them. You've got your active air force bases, perfect for modern missions where every second counts. But then you've got these old bases from the Cold War era. It's like stepping back in time and seeing how things used to be.

But wait, there's more. This map isn't just about bases and battles. It's packed with cool stuff to discover. You've got Points of Interest scattered all over the place. And if you're looking to sharpen your skills, there are training grounds over there. Plus, there are road air strips for those who like a challenge, and civilian airports for when you want to switch things up and try something different.

In short, DCS: Eastern Europe Map is a must-have for any DCS World fan. It's like getting a whole new war theatre to explore, with endless possibilities for realistic missions.

It has a great potential as a "Green Map".

nullhttps://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=17dObv0MliuIiWnnLoXreOC8AxB85_mI&ll=52.89040279603918%2C23.11151758019147&z=6

I would really appreciate if someone gave me list of Czech, Slovak and Ukrainian AFBs in highlighted area. 

[upyr1]

I would love to see a WWII or Cold war Eastern Europe map. I don't expect tosee a modern era one .  I would love to see an expanded Caucuses map and one for Kurks in World War II.

[EchoOneOne]

Updated. 

Edited May 2, 2024 by EchoOneOne