DCS: Afghanistan FAQ

[MAXsenna]

Ok, so considering only the full-release pricing: there's one Full Afghanistan Map is $69.99 ("FA"), and then three sections sold separately -- Southwest ("SW"), East ("EA") and North ("NT") -- for high-detail portions of FA each at $29.99. OK, that's fair baseball.
But, will people who pay for all of SW, EA and NT eventually together, say, because of budgetary reasons (especially in these economically stressed times), then have access to the residual parts of the FA in high detail. Absent that, there would exist a $19.98 penalty for those people, at best inadvertently and at worst purposefully. Given that it is indeed one map, those who pay more in total for the three individual sections in SW, EA and NT should have the rest of FA's high detail bits unlocked if that isn't already the case.
It's fine many people will and can buy the full-fat map, but many also can't, so sections may be a welcome thing... as long as those who buy all the sections then get everything one-time FA buyers get, especially when the aggregate cost is higher.
Note: To be clear, I did indeed read the FAQ -- thrice -- and it is silent on the question about how multi-map purchasers will be treated if they get all three parts in lieu of the FA up front. I even doble-checked with my neighbour's cat to make sure I wasn't missing something. She concured.

If you want the discount, you need to purchase the whole map. If you purchase piece by piece. No discount, which is totally fair.

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[rob10]

1 hour ago, RegaeRevaeb said:

Ok, so considering only the full-release pricing: there's one Full Afghanistan Map is $69.99 ("FA"), and then three sections sold separately -- Southwest ("SW"), East ("EA") and North ("NT") -- for high-detail portions of FA each at $29.99. OK, that's fair baseball.

But, will people who pay for all of SW, EA and NT eventually together, say, because of budgetary reasons (especially in these economically stressed times), then have access to the residual parts of the FA in high detail. Absent that, there would exist a $19.98 penalty for those people, at best inadvertently and at worst purposefully. Given that it is indeed one map, those who pay more in total for the three individual sections in SW, EA and NT should have the rest of FA's high detail bits unlocked if that isn't already the case.

It's fine many people will and can buy the full-fat map, but many also can't, so sections may be a welcome thing... as long as those who buy all the sections then get everything one-time FA buyers get, especially when the aggregate cost is higher.

Note: To be clear, I did indeed read the FAQ -- thrice -- and it is silent on the question about how multi-map purchasers will be treated if they get all three parts in lieu of the FA up front. I even doble-checked with my neighbour's cat to make sure I wasn't missing something. She concured.

I can't say for sure, but I'd be pretty confident that the areas outside the 3 map sections are ONLY provided in lower detail (to all users).  There are sections of existing maps that are lower res, so that would make sense.  So you'll pay more if you don't buy the whole thing at once, but you should get the same end result.

[flying_ducks]

Is the reason for splitting the map a technical issue?

[rob10]

3 minutes ago, flying_ducks said:

Is the reason for splitting the map a technical issue?

Since if you buy the whole map you get, well, the whole map, I'd say there is no technical issue.  They are saying it's so you can only buy the part(s) you want and to lower the financial entry barrier.  It could also be to help those who maybe don't have enough disk space for the whole thing (esp. if they are only interested in one part).

[fagulha]

25 minutes ago, flying_ducks said:

Is the reason for splitting the map a technical issue?

I´ll save you from reading the faq in the first post:

"

The reasons for offering the split regions are:

1.      Allows a lower entry price if users want to fly one region only.

2.      Everyone is able to fly the map sooner. The regions of the map are being completed in stages with Southwest ready first, then East, then North. If we waited until the whole map was ready in high detail the Early Access release date would be much later."

[Weasel]

I don‘t understand why so many here are worried to pay more if they buy the map piece by piece. Especially as it is not meant to buy the whole map in 3 parts. It is meant for people who doesn’t have the condition (for whatever reason) to buy the whole map and therefore buy only one or two parts. If I go to the supermarket and I buy 3x 0.5l of, for example, a cola, I also pay more when I buy a 1.5l bottle. It‘s absolutely legitimate for ED to try new experiences. So be fair and give them a chance!

[Yurgon]

5 hours ago, RegaeRevaeb said:

But, will people who pay for all of SW, EA and NT eventually together, say, because of budgetary reasons (especially in these economically stressed times), then have access to the residual parts of the FA in high detail.

What would those residual parts be? As I understand it, the 3 individual map parts all overlap. So there doesn't seem to be a reason for owners of all 3 parts to have access to anything less than owners of the full map.

6 hours ago, RegaeRevaeb said:

Absent that, there would exist a $19.98 penalty for those people, at best inadvertently and at worst purposefully.

As I understand it, even that penalty is an issue ED is aware of. I don't recall the timestamp, but I'm pretty sure Wags said when interviewed by Casmo on this topic that ED will eventually have to offer people who purchase all 3 parts individually some kind of discount/compensation so they don't get "punished" for not purchasing the full map right away; this is the full interview:

[Tom Kazansky]

5 hours ago, Yurgon said:

...As I understand it, even that penalty is an issue ED is aware of. I don't recall the timestamp, but I'm pretty sure Wags said when interviewed by Casmo on this topic that ED will eventually have to offer people who purchase all 3 parts individually some kind of discount/compensation so they don't get "punished" for not purchasing the full map right away; this is the full interview:

Yes, he talked briefly about that. But one should be aware that buying the whole map will always be significantly cheaper than the sum of its parts. Otherwise no one had a benefit for investing full prices early and might adjust behaviour.

Edited April 6, 2024 by Tom Kazansky

[RegaeRevaeb]

13 hours ago, Yurgon said:

What would those residual parts be? As I understand it, the 3 individual map parts all overlap. So there doesn't seem to be a reason for owners of all 3 parts to have access to anything less than owners of the full map.

As I understand it, even that penalty is an issue ED is aware of. I don't recall the timestamp, but I'm pretty sure Wags said when interviewed by Casmo on this topic that ED will eventually have to offer people who purchase all 3 parts individually some kind of discount/compensation so they don't get "punished" for not purchasing the full map right away; this is the full interview:

Thanks for this context -- and vid; I missed it during a crazy week!

And the residual parts are just those areas outside the boxes covering the three areas for individual sale. I understand it's aera that looks mostly on the fringes, but it's about the principle, too. 

 

19 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

If you want the discount, you need to purchase the whole map. If you purchase piece by piece. No discount, which is totally fair.

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It's not about any discount. This is simply about getting the remaining portion of the map in high detail after buying the three available individual parts. This only means receiving the areas outside of Southwest, West and North is actually more in line with applied fairness. I wasn't asking to pay less for the piecemeal route (asking for a friend, I swear) but simply getting everything remaining in the full map that one-time buyers get.

Edited April 6, 2024 by RegaeRevaeb

[MAXsenna]

It's not about any discount. This is simply about getting the remaining portion of the map in high detail after buying the three available individual parts. This only means receiving the areas outside of Southwest, West and North is actually more in line with applied fairness. I wasn't asking to pay less for the piecemeal route (asking for a friend, I swear) but simply getting everything remaining in the full map that one-time buyers get.

Ah! I see! Thanks for correcting me. All three parts will give you the whole complete map, in any order you purchase them!

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[shagrat]

vor 12 Stunden schrieb Tom Kazansky:

Yes, he talked briefly about that. But one should be aware that buying the whole map will always be significantly cheaper than the sum of its parts. Otherwise no one had a benefit for investing full prices early and might adjust behaviour.

 

You are right, but honestly, if you go and buy a single steak in a grocery store every day, it is usually more expensive than buying a "bargain" family pack with 4 lbs of the same steak in the first place... and nobody would start complaining, why the 6 single steaks cost more, if you can't afford the family pack.

Or if you didn't realize there was a family pack on sale.

The only complaint I can agree with, is the information about the two versions and what to expect, could have been announced a day or two before the store pre-order launch, as most lunatics from the DCS crowd (me included) will rush into the store the moment a new toy is available and not really doing research for different release model options.

[MAXsenna]

You are right, but honestly, if you go and buy a single steak in a grocery store every day, it is usually more expensive than buying a "bargain" family pack with 4 lbs of the same steak in the first place... and nobody would start complaining, why the 6 single steaks cost more, if you can't afford the family pack.
Or if you didn't realize there was a family pack on sale.
The only complaint I can agree with, is the information about the two versions and what to expect, could have been announced a day or two before the store pre-order launch, as most lunatics from the DCS crowd (me included) will rush into the store the moment a new toy is available and not really doing research for different release model options.

Yeah, especially when the full map wasn't the first option!

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[Qcumber]

12 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

if you go and buy a single steak in a grocery store every day, it is usually more expensive than buying a "bargain" family pack with 4 lbs of the same steak in the first place... and nobody would start complaining, why the 6 single steaks cost more, if you can't afford the family pack

I ain't got no beef! 

[sifusun]

I like the great stuff....    I saved my money untill today an now I bought the whole map!!!!!!!!  For me it is absolutely worth it!!!   Just my 50Cents........Thx

Edited April 6, 2024 by sifusun

[rob10]

1 hour ago, shagrat said:

The only complaint I can agree with, is the information about the two versions and what to expect, could have been announced a day or two before the store pre-order launch, as most lunatics from the DCS crowd (me included) will rush into the store the moment a new toy is available and not really doing research for different release model options.

Hmmmm ... I wonder if this partly explains @Wags comment in the Casmo interview that ED were surprised at how many people were buying just the 1st section rather than the whole map

[Mistermann]

1 hour ago, rob10 said:

Hmmmm ... I wonder if this partly explains @Wags comment in the Casmo interview that ED were surprised at how many people were buying just the 1st section rather than the whole map

I suspect that plays a factor.  I know several people that quickly ordered that first option by mistake.

[MAXsenna]

I ain't got no beef! 

I have no clue why I was quoted while I didn't write that!

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Hmmmm ... I wonder if this partly explains @Wags comment in the Casmo interview that ED were surprised at how many people were buying just the 1st section rather than the whole map

Pretty sure you're spot on!

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[Qcumber]

56 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

I have no clue why I was quoted while I didn't write that!

Just a joke in reference to your meat analogy. 

[MAXsenna]

Just a joke in reference to your meat analogy. 

Haha! Yeah, I know. But I can't take credit for it!
Sometimes, the forum quotes the wrong persons. No worries!

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[shagrat]

Am 6.4.2024 um 22:35 schrieb MAXsenna:

Yeah, especially when the full map wasn't the first option!

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That's already corrected, so the full map is the first option, now.

[MAXsenna]

That's already corrected, so the full map is the first option, now.

That's cool!

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[Arennord]

On 4/5/2024 at 10:12 PM, RegaeRevaeb said:

Ok, so considering only the full-release pricing: there's one Full Afghanistan Map is $69.99 ("FA"), and then three sections sold separately -- Southwest ("SW"), East ("EA") and North ("NT") -- for high-detail portions of FA each at $29.99. OK, that's fair baseball.

But, will people who pay for all of SW, EA and NT eventually together, say, because of budgetary reasons (especially in these economically stressed times), then have access to the residual parts of the FA in high detail. Absent that, there would exist a $19.98 penalty for those people, at best inadvertently and at worst purposefully. Given that it is indeed one map, those who pay more in total for the three individual sections in SW, EA and NT should have the rest of FA's high detail bits unlocked if that isn't already the case.

It's fine many people will and can buy the full-fat map, but many also can't, so sections may be a welcome thing... as long as those who buy all the sections then get everything one-time FA buyers get, especially when the aggregate cost is higher.

Note: To be clear, I did indeed read the FAQ -- thrice -- and it is silent on the question about how multi-map purchasers will be treated if they get all three parts in lieu of the FA up front. I even doble-checked with my neighbour's cat to make sure I wasn't missing something. She concured.

This has not been posted specifically in the FAQ, at least not until now, but it has already been discussed here and in the interview made to Wags on youtube some days ago. They said that they will do as much as they can to reduce the price gap between players who buy the full map and the ones buying it piece by piece, but it will definitely be more expensive to buy the three separate pieces than the whole map.

It's not that ED has lost it's mind, but a common practice industry wide. You buy the huge family pack, you get a special price, it's totally fair, as the ones, like me who bought the whole map right now are showing support for the creation of this content, hence the special price, then, it wouldn't be fair that someone that hasn't taken that "risk" gets the same conditions.

Also, if you already know that you're gonna buy more than 1 piece of the map, why not buy it now with the special price , which would be much cheaper than even buying 2 parts afterwards?

Price now, without miles, just the discount, is 48.99 USD, while buying two individual parts on their final price would be 60 USD. In my opinion, I don't understand how anyone wanting this full map would buy it by pieces. As ED stated, the part option is just for people who can't afford the entry price of the map, but if you're gonna end buying everything, why not do it now?

In my case, I bought it the same day it was announced, and, by applying some miles, I ended up paying 40 USD.

[RegaeRevaeb]

23 minutes ago, Arennord said:

This has not been posted specifically in the FAQ, at least not until now, but it has already been discussed here and in the interview made to Wags on youtube some days ago. They said that they will do as much as they can to reduce the price gap between players who buy the full map and the ones buying it piece by piece, but it will definitely be more expensive to buy the three separate pieces than the whole map.

It's not that ED has lost it's mind, but a common practice industry wide. You buy the huge family pack, you get a special price, it's totally fair, as the ones, like me who bought the whole map right now are showing support for the creation of this content, hence the special price, then, it wouldn't be fair that someone that hasn't taken that "risk" gets the same conditions.

Also, if you already know that you're gonna buy more than 1 piece of the map, why not buy it now with the special price , which would be much cheaper than even buying 2 parts afterwards?

Price now, without miles, just the discount, is 48.99 USD, while buying two individual parts on their final price would be 60 USD. In my opinion, I don't understand how anyone wanting this full map would buy it by pieces. As ED stated, the part option is just for people who can't afford the entry price of the map, but if you're gonna end buying everything, why not do it now?

In my case, I bought it the same day it was announced, and, by applying some miles, I ended up paying 40 USD.

Again, it isn't about paying more when purchased in pieces. That's fine. I'm thinking about people for whom buying in pieces is the affordable value choice for them (e.g. getting to play right away; working cash flow for real life; etc.). And I was just talking about getting access to high-resolution parts of the whole map remaining after someone has bought the three available piece maps. Hopefully that clarifies things.

[MAXsenna]

This has not been posted specifically in the FAQ, at least not until now, but it has already been discussed here and in the interview made to Wags on youtube some days ago. They said that they will do as much as they can to reduce the price gap between players who buy the full map and the ones buying it piece by piece, but it will definitely be more expensive to buy the three separate pieces than the whole map.
It's not that ED has lost it's mind, but a common practice industry wide. You buy the huge family pack, you get a special price, it's totally fair, as the ones, like me who bought the whole map right now are showing support for the creation of this content, hence the special price, then, it wouldn't be fair that someone that hasn't taken that "risk" gets the same conditions.
Also, if you already know that you're gonna buy more than 1 piece of the map, why not buy it now with the special price , which would be much cheaper than even buying 2 parts afterwards?
Price now, without miles, just the discount, is 48.99 USD, while buying two individual parts on their final price would be 60 USD. In my opinion, I don't understand how anyone wanting this full map would buy it by pieces. As ED stated, the part option is just for people who can't afford the entry price of the map, but if you're gonna end buying everything, why not do it now?
In my case, I bought it the same day it was announced, and, by applying some miles, I ended up paying 40 USD.

Yes, and if you can't afford today. Save USD16 every month up to June, (assume one started saving in March), and you can before release.

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[rob10]

8 hours ago, RegaeRevaeb said:

 And I was just talking about getting access to high-resolution parts of the whole map remaining after someone has bought the three available piece maps. Hopefully that clarifies things.

The 3 pieces ARE the high resolution parts of the map.  You get the same 3 pieces in high resolution if you buy them separately or the whole thing.  You get the low(er) resolution for the rest of the area indicated as being part of the map whether you buy the whole thing or the three pieces or one or two pieces.  If you only buy one or two pieces, the "high res" area's that you haven't bought are also in low res.

Edited April 9, 2024 by rob10