reported F16 AGM-65D BSGT not work

[Moonshine]

id also like to keep the boresight mechanic. as long as it doesnt break every time a bigger update happens  

[sasquatch98]

The best option would be a checkbox in the special settings menu to require bore sighting or simple automagic boresight like we have for the cursor on the hornet or ins alignment on the harrier. 

[Silver_]

This fact that every time a patch comes out two things are fixed and four things are broken, it sounds to me like a lack of organization and a total disaster on the part of DCS.  It shows that there is no order when doing things and things are changed like crazy and without order.

 I speak knowing what I say because I have been an assembler programmer in video games and, in his day, you had to maintain an exquisite order when making modifications otherwise everything would go to waste, on top of that in those years the code editors that there were, they were , they are not the wonders of today that, done wrong, allow you to follow an order.

 

Edited April 17, 2024 by Silver_

[maxTRX]

42 minutes ago, Silver_ said:

This fact that every time a patch comes out two things are fixed and four things are broken, it sounds to me like a lack of organization and a total disaster on the part of DCS.  It shows that there is no order when doing things and things are changed like crazy and without order.

 I speak knowing what I say because I have been an assembler programmer in video games and, in his day, you had to maintain an exquisite order when making modifications otherwise everything would go to waste, on top of that in those years the code editors that there were, they were , they are not the wonders of today that, done wrong, allow you to follow an order.

 

 

How about this advanced concept of verifying if the changes produced desired results before releasing... if not, scrap'em.

Maybe the devs are getting a kick out of watching us run a 'hamster wheel' of bugs, lol    I got so numbed out dealing with this over the years and I finally learned how to find fun in creating crutches, bandaids and workarounds

[Hendry30]

We are still here after 3 years from purchasing the module to have this bug?????? But at ED someone tests the f16 before the releases????? Makes me want to uninstall it!!!!

For those who love 16 it's really frustrating, I don't care about the g wormup if every time we're here with the same problems,It would have been one of the first things to try since it ruins easily!!

Edited April 18, 2024 by Hendry30

[Silver_]

I would like to know what they are playing with us when they present these updates. I know, as someone told me on these forums, that it is a Beta (Or maybe not!!! since everything is supposed to be "unified" Beta and not Beta) but even so, I don't understand the order What follows when they make these "meaningless modifications" spoiling what was already good. My God, arm me with patience!!!

[BIGNEWY]

11 hours ago, Hendry30 said:

We are still here after 3 years from purchasing the module to have this bug?????? But at ED someone tests the f16 before the releases????? Makes me want to uninstall it!!!!

For those who love 16 it's really frustrating, I don't care about the g wormup if every time we're here with the same problems,It would have been one of the first things to try since it ruins easily!!

 

DCS:F-16C is still in development and there will be challenges as new items are added. I am sorry that this boresight issue has happened recently but we are working on a fix for a future update. 

thank you 

[rwbishUP]

Seeing as how it's been a problem for the life of the f-16! But, mysteriously when CUSTOMERS that are fed up with them still not working post about it, the thread gets closed or the post gets deleted all together. Seems like it would be a fantastic idea if the frivolous aesthetics weren't given priority over primary & initially developed systems that were slated to be operating a LONG time ago.

Now, the race is on to lock the thread or delete the post!

[Furiz]

This is bug reporting section, if you want to report a bug please follow this guide:

 

Also if you need help with boresight please ask, we can help.

Edited April 29, 2024 by Furiz

[_SteelFalcon_]

51 minutes ago, Furiz said:

This is bug reporting section, if you want to report a bug please follow this guide:

 

Also if you need help with boresight please ask, we can help.

 

You might also help him by not just linking the „how to report bugs“ section, but also the actual existing bug report about boresighting.

 

[WHOGX5]

1 hour ago, Furiz said:

Also if you need help with boresight please ask, we can help.

Well, in that case, please help. Boresighting was broken in the last patch. What should I do?

[TobiasA]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb Furiz:

This is bug reporting section, if you want to report a bug please follow this guide:

 

Also if you need help with boresight please ask, we can help.

 

There is no way to help with boresighting mavs as of now. Best is to not boresight them at all, this way they will point to about the same direction. At least somewhere. 

This thread is more or less useless, the initial posting is far away from constructive feedback and there is no way to boresight mavs as of now. So there won't be any help either. There are many cool things in DCS, boresighting mavs is none of these. It never worked as it should, and even if it worked, the handoff never did, especially on movers.

Let's just see if they fix it some day. As of now, I'd be totally happy with bugfixes. I don't need new functions when half of the stuff we have still has major flaws.

[Furiz]

To answer your questions,

for now boresight on the ground, it will work, there will be little offset but nothing like if it is boresightedin the air.

[rwbishUP]

31 minutes ago, Furiz said:

To answer your questions,

for now boresight on the ground, it will work, there will be little offset but nothing like if it is boresightedin the air.

I do bore sight on the ground, never in the air. Strangely when handing off TP to Mavs, they slew so far off the that they gimbal out!

And I would love to share tracks to the bug reports that others have submitted, and ask questions. But since there's a "moderator" that locks threads and deletes comments that aren't completely championing ED. It's hard to imagine that they really give a squirt about customers concerns.

[TobiasA]

vor 31 Minuten schrieb Furiz:

To answer your questions,

for now boresight on the ground, it will work, there will be little offset but nothing like if it is boresightedin the air.

This is really unrealistic as the maverick would run out of coolant before you are even close to the target, and it would do so on the A-10. On which boresight was never necessary.

And it is about the same offset as not aligning because you usually have to lock targets very close.

I understand that you see it this way though. But... These threads will continue to pop up as long as the system software quality is as low as on the F-16. They rework one thing that worked and screw up the hole SOI/SPI concept on the way in without anyone noticing before releasing. I can totally understand the frustration about that.

[TobiasA]

vor 6 Minuten schrieb rwbishUP:

I do bore sight on the ground, never in the air. Strangely when handing off TP to Mavs, they slew so far off the that they gimbal out!

And I would love to share tracks to the bug reports that others have submitted, and ask questions. But since there's a "moderator" that locks threads and deletes comments that aren't completely championing ED. It's hard to imagine that they really give a squirt about customers concerns.

To be fair, most of the stuff they do is pretty good. It is mainly the F-16 that suffers from long lasting bugs that don't get fixed for months and then something new comes and breaks stuff that worked.

The A-10 for example is pretty fine, and the Hornet as well. And DCS as a sandbox is doing pretty well too, even if there are flaws.

[Q3ark]

1 hour ago, TobiasA said:

To be fair, most of the stuff they do is pretty good. It is mainly the F-16 that suffers from long lasting bugs that don't get fixed for months and then something new comes and breaks stuff that worked.

The A-10 for example is pretty fine, and the Hornet as well. And DCS as a sandbox is doing pretty well too, even if there are flaws.

I agree, it seems they have the B team working on the F16, can’t seem to work on one feature of the aircraft without messing something else up lately, even simple easy to spot stuff like missing textures on the standby attitude indicator, last patch it was incorrectly animated engine exhaust nozzle. Now also we’re seeing people reporting that the radar is able to lock up aircraft even while it’s turned off, all these problems makes learning this module feel like a complete waste of time because how do I know what I just learned is correct and isn’t going to change next patch. It’s incredibly frustrating. 

Edited April 29, 2024 by Q3ark

[Furiz]

1 hour ago, rwbishUP said:

I do bore sight on the ground, never in the air. Strangely when handing off TP to Mavs, they slew so far off the that they gimbal out!

And I would love to share tracks to the bug reports that others have submitted, and ask questions. But since there's a "moderator" that locks threads and deletes comments that aren't completely championing ED. It's hard to imagine that they really give a squirt about customers concerns.

Please do share a tack of the issue, you can make a new thread, so we can look at it and see whats going on.

Sharing track is best way of reporting bugs. Those red letters are not helping. Also if you have issues with moderation you can direct message Bignewy or Nineline.

And please rules on this forum are there for a reason, if we don't follow those rules this will be a mess: https://forum.dcs.world/guidelines/

1 hour ago, TobiasA said:

To be fair, most of the stuff they do is pretty good. It is mainly the F-16 that suffers from long lasting bugs that don't get fixed for months and then something new comes and breaks stuff that worked.

The A-10 for example is pretty fine, and the Hornet as well. And DCS as a sandbox is doing pretty well too, even if there are flaws.

Same goes to you too, if you want to report a bug make a separate post and provide a short track.

This is bugs reporting section, I don't know what you guys are discussing here.

[Q3ark]

6 minutes ago, Furiz said:

This is bugs reporting section, I don't know what you guys are discussing here.

We are complaining about the current state of the F16, it’s not that hard to understand the frustration people are feeling. Who made you forum police anyway? 

[TobiasA]

vor 32 Minuten schrieb Furiz:

 

And please rules on this forum are there for a reason, if we don't follow those rules this will be a mess: https://forum.dcs.world/guidelines/

Same goes to you too, if you want to report a bug make a separate post and provide a short track.

This is bugs reporting section, I don't know what you guys are discussing here.

I did, and it ranged from "fixed" to "correct as is but fixed in a later release" to no statement at all despite having a track and a detailed description on how to replicate the issue.

Like this one

or the old bug with post-designate CCIP that has been there for years, especially on the CBU-97, reported many times from different people. 

 

 

I guess we are back on topic now?

However, I agree on this being created as a rant and not a bug report.

 

And to be fair, someone kidnapped my bug report and added a lot of chatter + a link to a totally different report.

I should maybe create a new one.

Edited April 29, 2024 by TobiasA

[TobiasA]

vor 17 Minuten schrieb Q3ark:

We are complaining about the current state of the F16, it’s not that hard to understand the frustration people are feeling. Who made you forum police anyway? 

He is a moderator on the Discord server iirc.

[Q3ark]

Well the guy isn’t a moderator here.

Regardless, the sentiment still stands, this module isn’t in good shape, every release introduces new problems. It was going well for a long time but things have definitely changed. I was hoping the situation would improve with the new unified approach (no separate open beta) but it’s no better, zero QA.

 I’m sure bignewy will be along soon to close this thing down anyway. 

[TobiasA]

They can close this thread whenever they want, it belongs into the main section but not in bug reports.

Edited April 29, 2024 by TobiasA
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[NineLine]

17 hours ago, rwbishUP said:

Now, the race is on to lock the thread or delete the post!

I have moved this to the wish list section as it doesn't seem to be any sort of bug report based on what we ask for in bug reporting. Please consider that next time you post. Thanks.

[RPY Variable]

This ruined all my DCS sessions this weekend. Is lost hours in multiplayer trying to figure out why mavericks would aim with a 45° deviation. This "feature" which is a pin in the ass while is working fine (not that I don't want it to be realistic, just a description), but adding a bug to that... men. Plus now I need to turn off the TGP and then turn it on again after rearm, wait for it... really inconvenient.

I found this post in bug report F-16 forum this morning on my phone, trying to find if there was a bug of some kind with boresight. But if I hadn't looked this morning, I would still not know what the problem was, because the post was moved. Believe it or not, this post is useful for users, because we can be aware of the state of the module when we search for possible bugs. The bug report forum work not only for reports but for user knowledge of current bugs.

And adding to the subject. Shouldn’t the BSGT label on the MFD be always showing? (like in the F-16 manuals available). It is really cumbersome the need to be tracking something in order for the BRGT label to appear. There is really no need for that logically, because you are just telling a microprocessor "save this value as center", so that get me thinking, does it work like this in reality? I get it that, while flying, you may want to do it like that, but there is no reason for it while on the ground. Again, every image of a AGM-65 MFD page that you'll find in a manual is showing the BSGT lable, like as if you can boresight anytime.