waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[felixx75]

10 hours ago, 71st_Mastiff said:

I don't know what to believe... Im just sad no more updates to what I bought.

 

From the Razbam Discord (date and time is there, you can check for yourself).

Edited February 15 by felixx75

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

14 hours ago, 71st_Mastiff said:

I don't know what to believe... Im just sad no more updates to what I bought.

 

Not reddit. A blind dog might find a bone once in a while, but you still don't want them leading your sled team. Especially when said blind dog is willing lead you god knows where for validation, regardless of accuracy. Honestly, there is no 'good' place for this, given its a legal dispute and both sides are going to clam up about what we really want to hear. The best you can do is read the OP, read official statements from either side, and that's it.

Leaks are a problematic thing to believe. We've been conditioned by the internet to think they're always bombshells, but the ones I've observed here are usually without any context and are, thus, meaningless. More often than not, I see context being added BY the purported leaker without any veracity whatsoever. Often, it's for them to 'help' their preferred side in this argument, which could actually do more harm and they're too committed to a video game developer to realize that.

It sucks for the F-15E, Mirage, and Harrier guys, sure, but what we have concrete is this:

1. The dispute is ongoing. Information will not be forthcoming until it's settled.
2. ED will put in some effort to ensure RB modules stay usable, for the time being.
3. RB wants to return to developing in the DCS ecosystem.

[BIGNEWY]

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[Pipe]

4 hours ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said:

Not reddit. A blind dog might find a bone once in a while, but you still don't want them leading your sled team. Especially when said blind dog is willing lead you god knows where for validation, regardless of accuracy. Honestly, there is no 'good' place for this, given its a legal dispute and both sides are going to clam up about what we really want to hear. The best you can do is read the OP, read official statements from either side, and that's it.

Leaks are a problematic thing to believe. We've been conditioned by the internet to think they're always bombshells, but the ones I've observed here are usually without any context and are, thus, meaningless. More often than not, I see context being added BY the purported leaker without any veracity whatsoever. Often, it's for them to 'help' their preferred side in this argument, which could actually do more harm and they're too committed to a video game developer to realize that.

It sucks for the F-15E, Mirage, and Harrier guys, sure, but what we have concrete is this:

1. The dispute is ongoing. Information will not be forthcoming EVER
2. ED will hopefully put in some effort to ensure RB modules stay usable, for the time being.
3. RB wants to return to developing in the DCS ecosystem.

Fixed it for you

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

15 minutes ago, Pipe said:

Fixed it for you

Considering they addressed issues that arose with the F-15E after this all kicked off, you really didn't.

Cynicism is a poor substitute for substance.

Edited February 15 by MiG21bisFishbedL

[OhNoMyHookBroke]

On 2/14/2025 at 8:50 AM, Mizzy said:

No, that's not true, I respond to others who are doing the recycling of the same old same old, like the non payment implausible argument used by zambrano. I usually refer people to read the opening post before spreading misinformation and continuous speculation, hence my recent posts. This issue is close to my heart for other reasons as well which I am not going into.

Mizzy

Mizzy, it's very clear that you hold this situation too close to your heart for an average consumer. Either you have nothing better to do (all respect), or you are genuinely trying to make a difference because the situation has affected you personally.

I have discussed this situation on the forums and on Discords, but I have never seen a person this devoted to the situation. Not even RB or ED talk about it like you do. 

It's just a bit odd, but I respect the effort.

OhNoMyHookBroke

[OhNoMyHookBroke]

Also, I don't understand why this thread is still up. The old thread has been locked, thankfully, but then a new thread is created, so are these threads just meant to be ragebait, or something similar? And with the CMs telling people to not attack each other, or argue, and to keep things civil, I constantly see that breaking. So why not just close the thread for good? All we need is official updates from both ED and RB. The situation is out of our hands.

It is pointless. So why does the thread still exist? The CMs are doing nothing but putting stress onto themselves working a job I can already imagine is annoying enough. 

[Oban]

2 hours ago, OhNoMyHookBroke said:

I never mentioned the RAZBAM Discord. I'm talking about RAZBAM and ED officially, not their communities.

There's a level of toxicity towards ED that in my 62 years on this planet that I've never encountered before, it stands to reason that people feel a sense of loyalty towards them.

Things are about to explode to another level, with RZ accusing ED of dirty tricks against him, to me this now appears to be a personal vendetta between RZ and NG, and this has no place in this community, but seriously, ED, you need to sort this <profanity> out, it's not the first time I've heard things were looking great until ED changed their minds and the 3 steps forwards were turned into 6 steps back.

Both Eagle Dynamics and Razbam have divided this once great community with their infantile behaviour dragging both their names through the mud, you're destroying a franchise over what I see are over inflated ego's.

Put an end to this before there's no community left to enjoy what we have..

[OhNoMyHookBroke]

48 minutes ago, Oban said:

There's a level of toxicity towards ED that in my 62 years on this planet that I've never encountered before, it stands to reason that people feel a sense of loyalty towards them.

Things are about to explode to another level, with RZ accusing ED of dirty tricks against him, to me this now appears to be a personal vendetta between RZ and NG, and this has no place in this community, but seriously, ED, you need to sort this <profanity> out, it's not the first time I've heard things were looking great until ED changed their minds and the 3 steps forwards were turned into 6 steps back.

Both Eagle Dynamics and Razbam have divided this once great community with their infantile behaviour dragging both their names through the mud, you're destroying a franchise over what I see are over inflated ego's.

Put an end to this before there's no community left to enjoy what we have..

Yes Oban, I completely agree.

Thanks for the response, cheers.

Edited February 16 by OhNoMyHookBroke

[Sarge55]

That’s what they are doing, in court.  That seems a bit dramatic about destroying the “community”. 

[Oban]

1 hour ago, Sarge55 said:

That’s what they are doing, in court.  That seems a bit dramatic about destroying the “community”. 

Pretty much every "influencer" on YouTube has stated that they will not buy anymore Modules until this situation is resolved, along with their followers,and if you look at the other discords, and communities outide of ED's own house, the community is very much divided, and the level of toxicity towards ED within those external communities has been increasing, and the level directed towards NG has increased as this situation has dragged on...so yeah, the community is bearing the brunt of this, between sheer anger at losing the F15E's roadmap for development, to frustration that their other RB products may also never be updated again.

Whether it was a cynical ploy to garner support, there has been 2 very interesting publications from RB CEO, and one of his developers, that seriously looked like a resolution was very much on the way... hopes were raised, only for another spat to have developed and crushed that hope like an empty can of coke...

Both parties have a lot to make up towards their paying customers, the trust has to be rebuilt. 

[Beirut]

5 hours ago, OhNoMyHookBroke said:

Also, I don't understand why this thread is still up. The old thread has been locked, thankfully, but then a new thread is created, so are these threads just meant to be ragebait, or something similar? And with the CMs telling people to not attack each other, or argue, and to keep things civil, I constantly see that breaking. So why not just close the thread for good? All we need is official updates from both ED and RB. The situation is out of our hands.

It is pointless. So why does the thread still exist? The CMs are doing nothing but putting stress onto themselves working a job I can already imagine is annoying enough. 

 

But then the question arises yet again - if you can read and participate in this thread and register your opinions, then shouldn't others be allowed to do the same? Also, this thread requires voluntary effort to read and participate in. The easiest thing in the world for anyone to do who does not enjoy this thread is simply not read it and participate in it.

 

I believe that would solve the problem.

[Pipe]

12 hours ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said:

Considering they addressed issues that arose with the F-15E after this all kicked off, you really didn't.

Cynicism is a poor substitute for substance.

12 hours ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said:

Considering they addressed issues that arose with the F-15E after this all kicked off, you really didn't.

Cynicism is a poor substitute for substance.

They have done no repairs on the other modules, like the bomb fusing issues for one. So they are already in decay..

[Sarge55]

8 hours ago, Oban said:

Pretty much every "influencer" on YouTube has stated that they will not buy anymore Modules until this situation is resolved, along with their followers,and if you look at the other discords, and communities outide of ED's own house, the community is very much divided, and the level of toxicity towards ED within those external communities has been increasing, and the level directed towards NG has increased as this situation has dragged on...so yeah, the community is bearing the brunt of this, between sheer anger at losing the F15E's roadmap for development, to frustration that their other RB products may also never be updated again.

Whether it was a cynical ploy to garner support, there has been 2 very interesting publications from RB CEO, and one of his developers, that seriously looked like a resolution was very much on the way... hopes were raised, only for another spat to have developed and crushed that hope like an empty can of coke...

Both parties have a lot to make up towards their paying customers, the trust has to be rebuilt. 

Thanks for confirming my observation of being overly dramatic.

[Coxy_99]

12 hours ago, Oban said:

Pretty much every "influencer" on YouTube has stated that they will not buy anymore Modules until this situation is resolved, along with their followers,and if you look at the other discords, and communities outide of ED's own house, the community is very much divided, and the level of toxicity towards ED within those external communities has been increasing, and the level directed towards NG has increased as this situation has dragged on...so yeah, the community is bearing the brunt of this, between sheer anger at losing the F15E's roadmap for development, to frustration that their other RB products may also never be updated again.

Whether it was a cynical ploy to garner support, there has been 2 very interesting publications from RB CEO, and one of his developers, that seriously looked like a resolution was very much on the way... hopes were raised, only for another spat to have developed and crushed that hope like an empty can of coke...

Both parties have a lot to make up towards their paying customers, the trust has to be rebuilt. 

Thats flase right there, Youtubers will change there mind when they get a freebee, Maybe the tubers, Bgut i bet most of them get there wallets out.

[felixx75]

21 minutes ago, Coxy_99 said:

Thats flase right there, Youtubers will change there mind when they get a freebee, Maybe the tubers, Bgut i bet most of them get there wallets out.

In addition, I, for example, am not dependent on what any "influencer" thinks, says or does. I form my own opinion and decide for myself what I will do, I don't need an "influencer" for that, and I'm certainly not the only one.

[Mizzy]

19 hours ago, OhNoMyHookBroke said:

"Mizzy, it's very clear that you hold this situation too close to your heart for an average consumer"

Thank you

"Either you have nothing better to do (all respect), or you are genuinely trying to make a difference because the situation has affected you personally."

It appears reading through my posts, you have nothing better to do, due respect of course.

"I have discussed this situation on the forums and on Discords, but I have never seen a person this devoted to the situation."

So which Discords are you referring to if not Razbam's, you are speaking with fork tongue, be more specific and clear about what you are meaning if you are going to be derogatory towards me. 

"Not even RB or ED talk about it like you do"

I have given you an example of how RB talk and it is by far worse than any of my posts!

"It's just a bit odd, but I respect the effort."

Thank you, I am not looking for respect and I only post in this forum which I spend no more than 10 minutes cumulative, sometimes more but not much more. I don't use reddit or offensive Discords (RB's being the worst), so what's so odd ! Practically all my posts are referring to others only, many of which like to follow me around and make personal attacks which they know I will fight back. You haven't been here very long and I have been here 20 years and never been in a topic expressing my disdain for a 3rd Party before, this is the only time it's happened, so what's so odd ! 

Kind regards 

 

 

[Nightdare]

16 hours ago, Oban said:

There's a level of toxicity towards ED that in my 62 years on this planet that I've never encountered before, it stands to reason that people feel a sense of loyalty towards them.

 

This problem is not Limited to ED. The age of reason and Information have been replaced with the age of entitlement and instant gratification

..though I'd also add the age of attention to that

 

[negrete]

I know we have to wait for a resolution but in my personal opinion once a divorce is on the way and things go to lawyers and courts the situation is not going to be good. And if Razbam wins ED is not going to just bring them back in like best friends, or if ED wins, Razbam is going to probably finish the modules or what is mandatory and bail out slowly. Disclaimer "Personal opinion".

As customer at least it should be good to know if there is a court date, or when this thing can or maybe be finished. Cause for example in my country Sapin court cases can take many years. 

Also it could be stated by ED a very neutral message to the comunity of whats going on in very general terms witohut braking any court restrictions like "We have a dispute over the F15E module and some copyright or intelectual property, or something of that style. Our Lawyers have stated that this may take between 3 years and whatever" This could help the comunity calm down and be more comprehensive with the matter.

[draconus]

1 hour ago, negrete said:

Also it could be stated by ED a very neutral message to the comunity of whats going on in very general terms witohut braking any court restrictions

All is in the OP.

[OhNoMyHookBroke]

3 hours ago, Mizzy said:

 

I read the forum, and like, half of your posts are from here lol.

Stop fixating on what Discords I've discussed it in. It's not relevant.

Also, that example you provided was not RAZBAM. It wasn't someone who worked for them; it was some random users in their Discord. Not sure why you're acting like those messages came from a RAZBAM_(name).

Also, blaming people that work for them that are in no way involved with the legal process of the solution is just funny and wrong.

[felixx75]

3 hours ago, negrete said:

This could help the comunity calm down and be more comprehensive with the matter

No. Just read the first post...
No matter which party would say or write whatever (which they will not do for well-known reasons - it has been discussed here often enough why nothing can be said about it), the “community” would continue to speculate, accuse each other and throw any assumptions into the room and spread half-truths or untruths. It would change virtually nothing.

Edited February 16 by felixx75

[Mizzy]

1 hour ago, OhNoMyHookBroke said:

I read the forum, and like, half of your posts are from here lol.

Also, that example you provided was not RAZBAM. It wasn't someone who worked for them; it was some random users in their Discord. Not sure why you're acting like those messages came from a RAZBAM_(name).

Also, blaming people that work for them that are in no way involved with the legal process of the solution is just funny and wrong.

Gosh, I'm slightly flattered you have taken all that time to read my posts and you presumed I had nothing else to do 

Anyway, my screenshot example of Razbam's discord is, zambrano clearly does not care what people post despite being in litigation with ED, that is very unprofessional. Stop making up your own interpretations of what I post, it's rude to say the least. I think it's best we ignore each other now, you have had your go at me with somewhat derogatory intent, but I am sure you have other things to do now, but I wouldn't like to bet on it !

Best wishes

Mizzy

Edited February 16 by Mizzy

[negrete]

If read the first post, but it says nothing. Lots of words but really nothing, if everything is confidential as they say, have the legal team of ED publish a letter of why its like this, and close this speculation. And if you add an aprox timeline then people will know, and wait, at least some.

As a client being afected by all these issue we should be allowed to know at least some sort of timeline when this is going to be resolved even if its a wild guess, 5 years, 6 years, or maybe even more. Dont say its a firm date and it could changed, but at least know how much time aprox.

Cause if this is going to court they should have a aproximate time line. But we are normally just numbers and money so I dont expect nothing.

[Lasko]

9 minutes ago, negrete said:

even if its a wild guess

That isn't how any of this works.  You want them to essentially say "This is a confidential matter, but here is what we know..."  You have unrealistic expectations.