JuiceIsLoose Posted February 26 Posted February 26 1 hour ago, scommander2 said: Agreed completely, and I guess that RB lacks the same concept. Otherwise, we should not wait so long. Sorry, I have not followed this thread for a while and just wondering: Will ED have any backup/alternative plan to do something for F-15E after a period time (says 6 months)? Where are you getting that "RB lacks the same concept" of the customer comes first? You expect them to keep working after not being paid? Them not being paid is not a theory, its confirmed by ED. And we have no idea who is to blame for lack of resolution to the issue. It could be RB delaying things or it could be ED delaying things. Don't think you can just assume its RB holding up resolution. 2 hours ago, BIGNEWY said: This isn't Judge Judy, the IP dispute is a private one and a legal matter, to post publicly about that is unprofessional and would be contrary to legal advice. We posted a response when RAZBAM decided to go public and now we continue to wait for RAZBAM and a resolution to the dispute. There is nothing more to add for now. thank you What I said was in response to Ninline saying both sides would have to work hard to regain trust. All I said was I felt that transparency would help. But I guess, based on your response, ED has no plans to ever provide transparency to the situation. Which is fine. Y'all can do what you want. But it affects your relationship with some users. 2
Nebula_Creates Posted February 26 Posted February 26 19 hours ago, NineLine said: Protection of the IP has a large impact on DCS customers for sure, although it's not always abundantly clear, especially with the cloak of legal involvement. I cannot go into what it means and why you should care because of it other than it's important to resolve this and move forward. In very simple terms though, maintaining the integrity of an IP maintains the value of what you purchased. As for going back to work as nothing happened, it's simply not possible, nor is it possible to day 1 of the resolution have every customer feel secure as they did the day before this all happened. It will take hard work on everyone's part, ED and RB included to restore customer confidence and confidence in each other. I hope everyone will be working towards regaining that trust on day 1 though. Is it, perhaps, at least possible for you to provide any information about plans ED has in place to deal with the inevitable exit of RAZBAM after this is all settled and how ED as a company plan to maintain the modules I so dearly love? There is nothing in this simulator that is at all like my beloved Mirage 2000c, the way it flies, the way it fights. The only thing that will even come close to replacing it for me will be the Eurofighter whenever Heatblur deems us worthy of seeing their work. I cannot, however, trust that my favorite aircraft will even stay fully functional. If we have another Hawk situation, that's a death knell for me because the only reason I fly DCS is for the multiplayer. Please, for the sanity of everyone involved is there at least a plan. Can we at least know something about how ED plans to handle this? RAZBAM will not remain a DCS developer, there is no way. Edit: Sorry, the forums decided to submit it twice so I fixed that. 1
scommander2 Posted February 26 Posted February 26 18 minutes ago, JuiceIsLoose said: You expect them to keep working after not being paid? Them not being paid is not a theory, its confirmed by ED. And we have no idea who is to blame for lack of resolution to the issue. It could be RB delaying things or it could be ED delaying things. Don't think you can just assume its RB holding up resolution. Thanks for clarifying the current situation. If it is correct (I assume), it's getting very sour... Spoiler Dell XPS 9730, i9-13900H, DDR5 64GB, Discrete GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080, 1+2TB M.2 SSD | Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + TPR | TKIR5/TrackClipPro | Total Controls Multi-Function Button Box | Win 11 Pro
ED Team NineLine Posted February 26 ED Team Posted February 26 1 hour ago, JuiceIsLoose said: What I said was in response to Ninline saying both sides would have to work hard to regain trust. All I said was I felt that transparency would help. But I guess, based on your response, ED has no plans to ever provide transparency to the situation. Which is fine. Y'all can do what you want. But it affects your relationship with some users. It is simply not proper at this point in the disagreement to start airing dirty laundry. It would not help anyone or anything. If at some point it makes sense to share something we will. 56 minutes ago, Nebula_Creates said: Is it, perhaps, at least possible for you to provide any information about plans ED has in place to deal with the inevitable exit of RAZBAM after this is all settled and how ED as a company plan to maintain the modules I so dearly love? There is nothing in this simulator that is at all like my beloved Mirage 2000c, the way it flies, the way it fights. The only thing that will even come close to replacing it for me will be the Eurofighter whenever Heatblur deems us worthy of seeing their work. I cannot, however, trust that my favorite aircraft will even stay fully functional. If we have another Hawk situation, that's a death knell for me because the only reason I fly DCS is for the multiplayer. Please, for the sanity of everyone involved is there at least a plan. Can we at least know something about how ED plans to handle this? RAZBAM will not remain a DCS developer, there is no way. Edit: Sorry, the forums decided to submit it twice so I fixed that. Until all this is finalized, we cannot share what will happen and how it will happen. 3 1 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
T.Power Posted February 26 Posted February 26 10 2 "For many the glass is half empty whilst for others it is half full, but for some, the milk is sour." - Unknown French Philosopher
Oban Posted February 26 Posted February 26 1 hour ago, JuiceIsLoose said: Where are you getting that "RB lacks the same concept" of the customer comes first? You expect them to keep working after not being paid? Them not being paid is not a theory, its confirmed by ED. And we have no idea who is to blame for lack of resolution to the issue. It could be RB delaying things or it could be ED delaying things. Don't think you can just assume its RB holding up resolution. What I said was in response to Ninline saying both sides would have to work hard to regain trust. All I said was I felt that transparency would help. But I guess, based on your response, ED has no plans to ever provide transparency to the situation. Which is fine. Y'all can do what you want. But it affects your relationship with some users. Some users, you mean those with a sense of self entitlement ? 2 1 AMD Ryzen 9 7845HX with Radeon Graphics 3.00 GHz 32 GB RAM 2 TB SSD RTX 4070 8GB Windows 11 64 bit
Mizzy Posted February 27 Posted February 27 On 2/25/2025 at 10:12 PM, NineLine said: Protection of the IP has a large impact on DCS customers for sure, although it's not always abundantly clear, especially with the cloak of legal involvement. Yep, it's clear to me ! Mizzy 6 hours ago, T.Power said: 3
Mizzy Posted February 27 Posted February 27 (edited) 16 hours ago, JuiceIsLoose said: Where are you getting that "RB lacks the same concept" of the customer comes first? You expect them to keep working after not being paid? Them not being paid is not a theory, its confirmed by ED. And we have no idea who is to blame for lack of resolution to the issue. It could be RB delaying things or it could be ED delaying things. Don't think you can just assume its RB holding up resolution. What I said was in response to Ninline saying both sides would have to work hard to regain trust. All I said was I felt that transparency would help. But I guess, based on your response, ED has no plans to ever provide transparency to the situation. Which is fine. Y'all can do what you want. But it affects your relationship with some users. Edited February 27 by Mizzy Keeping it civil 2
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FierceLV Posted February 27 Posted February 27 Ammm... Hmm... Emm... Why are you selling the F-15E without permission of the RAZBAM SIMULATION? As far as I know Eagle Dynamics and RAZBAM Simulations have an open court case. It doesn't look right. The F-15E Strike Eagle is THE CURRENT BEST PLANE OF THE DCS WORLD. WHY THERE IS NO FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF IT? It is impossible to reach a fast "SORRY - SORRY" solution between two of you??? THE F-15E - THE BEST. Also I would like to see a modern HIND with FLIR, a 3D Vector Thrust on Su-27, a 3D Vector Thrust on a MiG-29 (TOTAL LOVE), and a F-22A Raptor. What do we get?
Vakarian Posted February 27 Posted February 27 Sometimes I do wonder what's the average age of the people in this forum. When I started DCS I had an idea that this would be a place for grown ups / mature people who had some life experience and understanding how some things in life go. This thread has proven me otherwise Sure, in a perfect world this would have been sorted long time ago, maybe even wouldn't get to this point. But guess what, world isn't perfect. I won't even pretend to understand this legal case, but even coming from my layman perspective it's quite easy to see the "you do what your lawyers tell you to do, nothing more, nothing less". You know that catchphrase in so many TV shows/movies "Anything you say can and will be used against you". This thread has also proven this, many times over. So in the bottom line, how hard is it to understand that maybe none of the parties in this case are doing what they would like to do, but are going on what their lawyers are advising and that we (regular player folk) are really not the people they have to justify their actions as this is now out of normal business domain and into the legal battle one. Different rules apply, we can just sit down and wait for the outcome. It's not like DCS has suddenly become blocked on your PCs, there are many other aircraft to fly, many hours of fun and enjoyment to be had, you just have to stop focusing on the negatives. If you want to find all the bad things, you will, but then don't come complaining that nothing works and that all you see is bad things as you aren't even looking for the good ones. 15 2
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted February 27 ED Team Posted February 27 1 hour ago, FierceLV said: The F-15E Strike Eagle is THE CURRENT BEST PLANE OF THE DCS WORLD. WHY THERE IS NO FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF IT? RAZBAM have put all development on hold until the dispute has been resolved. We can not legally remove it from sale. We continue to wait for RAZBAM. We all hope for a good out come to the dispute. thank you 2 8 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
Mizzy Posted February 27 Posted February 27 45 minutes ago, Vakarian said: Sometimes I do wonder what's the average age of the people in this forum. When I started DCS I had an idea that this would be a place for grown ups / mature people who had some life experience and understanding how some things in life go. This thread has proven me otherwise Sure, in a perfect world this would have been sorted long time ago, maybe even wouldn't get to this point. But guess what, world isn't perfect. I won't even pretend to understand this legal case, but even coming from my layman perspective it's quite easy to see the "you do what your lawyers tell you to do, nothing more, nothing less". You know that catchphrase in so many TV shows/movies "Anything you say can and will be used against you". This thread has also proven this, many times over. So in the bottom line, how hard is it to understand that maybe none of the parties in this case are doing what they would like to do, but are going on what their lawyers are advising and that we (regular player folk) are really not the people they have to justify their actions as this is now out of normal business domain and into the legal battle one. Different rules apply, we can just sit down and wait for the outcome. It's not like DCS has suddenly become blocked on your PCs, there are many other aircraft to fly, many hours of fun and enjoyment to be had, you just have to stop focusing on the negatives. If you want to find all the bad things, you will, but then don't come complaining that nothing works and that all you see is bad things as you aren't even looking for the good ones. I'm coming up 60 but I still think like I'm 20 LOL. Lovely post of yours. Mizzy 4
Rudel_chw Posted February 27 Posted February 27 57 minutes ago, Vakarian said: Sometimes I do wonder what's the average age of the people in this forum. I wonder the same, as some posts look like teenager stuff 4 2 For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
FierceLV Posted February 27 Posted February 27 (edited) Thank you for the reply. RAZBAM Simulations will still get what they have earned with the F-15E? We need to understand that this conflict could not have existed, if there was a proper open communication between only the TWO persons, it's a personal thing between them, and as things look now, the only reason for the conflict was and is the sheer awesomeness and success of the F-15E Strike Eagle DCS World module. Players love the modern technology. The players lose access to a powerful modern jet which is a very big problem for our MOVEMENT TOWARDS COMMON GOAL, more good jets in the DCS World. The F-15E Strike Eagle is one of the best modules along with: AH-64D, A-10C, F-16C, MiG-29S, Su-27, Ka-50, F-15C , Su-25 , Su-25T , A-10A, F-14B, Mi-24P - the modern stuff, the Modern Air Combat. MiG-31 ? Su-34 ? Su-30 ? MiG-35 ? MiG-29K ? Su-25M ? Ka-52M Super Alligator (99 % INSTANT SUCCESS) ? MiG-25 Foxbat ? F/A-18E Super Hornet? F/A-18 F ? Easy money. The modern stuff. Sure, perhaps the ... uhm... real-life instructions are absent... but we have the F-15E Strike Eagle - an advanced top-of-the-line, state-of-the-art JET. Also, while the RAZBAM Simulations is on hold, we are losing time with the MiG-23 Flogger as well. I hope for the fast resolution between the Eagle Dynamic and the RAZBAM Simulations. The players are the ones who suffer the damages. Edited February 27 by FierceLV 3
draconus Posted February 27 Posted February 27 11 minutes ago, FierceLV said: RAZBAM Simulations will still get what they have earned with the F-15E? Minus the penalty - so it's not clear who is paying who and we'll probably never know. 13 minutes ago, FierceLV said: The players lose access to a powerful modern jet... Not happening any time soon. 1 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Vakarian Posted February 27 Posted February 27 1 hour ago, FierceLV said: Thank you for the reply. RAZBAM Simulations will still get what they have earned with the F-15E? We need to understand that this conflict could not have existed, if there was a proper open communication between only the TWO persons, it's a personal thing between them, and as things look now, the only reason for the conflict was and is the sheer awesomeness and success of the F-15E Strike Eagle DCS World module. Players love the modern technology. The players lose access to a powerful modern jet which is a very big problem for our MOVEMENT TOWARDS COMMON GOAL, more good jets in the DCS World. The F-15E Strike Eagle is one of the best modules along with: AH-64D, A-10C, F-16C, MiG-29S, Su-27, Ka-50, F-15C , Su-25 , Su-25T , A-10A, F-14B, Mi-24P - the modern stuff, the Modern Air Combat. MiG-31 ? Su-34 ? Su-30 ? MiG-35 ? MiG-29K ? Su-25M ? Ka-52M Super Alligator (99 % INSTANT SUCCESS) ? MiG-25 Foxbat ? F/A-18E Super Hornet? F/A-18 F ? Easy money. The modern stuff. Sure, perhaps the ... uhm... real-life instructions are absent... but we have the F-15E Strike Eagle - an advanced top-of-the-line, state-of-the-art JET. Also, while the RAZBAM Simulations is on hold, we are losing time with the MiG-23 Flogger as well. I hope for the fast resolution between the Eagle Dynamic and the RAZBAM Simulations. The players are the ones who suffer the damages. You really need to stop making so much assumptions and then take them as facts. It also helps not to speak on behalf of others as I for sure don't really care about getting the most modern aircraft possible. 8 2
FierceLV Posted February 27 Posted February 27 1 hour ago, Vakarian said: You really need to stop making so much assumptions and then take them as facts. It also helps not to speak on behalf of others as I for sure don't really care about getting the most modern aircraft possible. Why not?
plott1964 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 4 minutes ago, FierceLV said: Why not? ...When you ASSUME you make an ASS of U and ME? 7 PC specs: Intel Core i7-13700K [Raptor Lake 3.4GHz Sixteen-Core LGA 1700] (stock clock)/64.0 GB RAM/RTX 3080 GPU (stock clock)/Windows 10 Home/Multiple M.2 SSD Drives/T.Flight HOTAS X/HP Reverb G2
FierceLV Posted February 27 Posted February 27 2 hours ago, plott1964 said: ...When you ASSUME you make an ASS of U and ME? WHEN THE TRUTH IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, AND YOU GO PRETENDING THAT IT ISN'T THE TRUTH, YOU GO...
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Horns Posted February 27 Posted February 27 6 hours ago, FierceLV said: Thank you for the reply. RAZBAM Simulations will still get what they have earned with the F-15E? We need to understand that this conflict could not have existed, if there was a proper open communication between only the TWO persons, it's a personal thing between them, and as things look now, the only reason for the conflict was and is the sheer awesomeness and success of the F-15E Strike Eagle DCS World module. Players love the modern technology. The players lose access to a powerful modern jet which is a very big problem for our MOVEMENT TOWARDS COMMON GOAL, more good jets in the DCS World. The F-15E Strike Eagle is one of the best modules along with: AH-64D, A-10C, F-16C, MiG-29S, Su-27, Ka-50, F-15C , Su-25 , Su-25T , A-10A, F-14B, Mi-24P - the modern stuff, the Modern Air Combat. MiG-31 ? Su-34 ? Su-30 ? MiG-35 ? MiG-29K ? Su-25M ? Ka-52M Super Alligator (99 % INSTANT SUCCESS) ? MiG-25 Foxbat ? F/A-18E Super Hornet? F/A-18 F ? Easy money. The modern stuff. Sure, perhaps the ... uhm... real-life instructions are absent... but we have the F-15E Strike Eagle - an advanced top-of-the-line, state-of-the-art JET. Also, while the RAZBAM Simulations is on hold, we are losing time with the MiG-23 Flogger as well. I hope for the fast resolution between the Eagle Dynamic and the RAZBAM Simulations. The players are the ones who suffer the damages. We have a wishlist thread for a reason: so that people don't do what you did here and use a razor thin excuse to turn other threads into wishlist threads. It's bad manners because it leaves others with the choice of either not responding to what you say or dragging the thread OT. Please post OT comments like your wishlist in the correct place in future. Or just do a search and comment, since I'm pretty sure each and every one of those aircraft on your list has already appeared in a wish list thread. 4 1 Modules: [A-10C] [AJS 37] [AV8B N/A] [F-5E] [F-14] [F-15E] [F-16] [F/A-18C] [FC3] [Ka-50] [M-2000C] [Mig-21 bis] [Afghanistan] [Cold War: Germany] [Iraq] [Kola] [NTTR] [PG] [SC] Intel i9-14900KF, Nvidia GTX 4080, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Master X 64GB DDR5 @ 6400 MHz, SteelSeries Apex Pro, Asus ROG Gladius 3, VKB Gunfighter 3 w/ F-14 grip, VKB STECS throttle, Thrustmaster MFD Cougars x2, MFG Crosswind, DSD Flight Series button controller, XK-24, Meta Quest 3
Smashy Posted February 27 Posted February 27 8 hours ago, Vakarian said: Sometimes I do wonder what's the average age of the people in this forum. When I started DCS I had an idea that this would be a place for grown ups / mature people who had some life experience and understanding how some things in life go. This thread has proven me otherwise I think a majority of the people exhibiting embarrassing levels of naivete are those that really haven't had any firsthand experience with any sort of litigious matter. If they had, it would be clear to them that disclosing any details in a public forum before the dispute is resolved would be a bad move. Even with no such experience it's just plain common sense, something the Entitled Gamer often lacks. 4 1
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted February 27 Posted February 27 (edited) 2 hours ago, FierceLV said: WHEN THE TRUTH IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, AND YOU GO PRETENDING THAT IT ISN'T THE TRUTH, YOU GO... So, you're privy to the actual legally documented complaints as submitted by both Eagle Dynamics and RAZBAM? Not just what has been spat out onto the internet, devoid of context, by bad faith actors or the opinions of reddit muckrakers? The literal legal documents? Edited February 27 by MiG21bisFishbedL 6 1 Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
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