GazAce Posted September 15, 2024 Posted September 15, 2024 Hey there awesome DCS Brothers & Sisters! I was alarmed when I read this piece from our last newsletter a few days ago. Instant Action Generator Development Progress "We are currently working on a new Instant Action Generator (IAG) that will replace the existing Fast Mission Generator. The IAG is designed to be user-friendly and allow you to easily and quickly set up simple air-to-air and air-to-ground missions without having to use the Mission Editor. The primary objective of the IAG is to allow more mission content in an easy-to-use interface" etc etc. After reading that, I'm very concerned that ED is slowly tolling the death knell bells for our precious ME, by introducing this IAG. And who knows why, funds, resources, limited manpower or just can't be arsed anymore? Even with its Madagascan jungle bugs ( that do eventually get addressed ) the Mission Editor is an amazing and incredible feature of DCS and for me personally, my favourite part of the Sim. I mean, when you think of it, there's nothing like it in the world, when it comes to creating Air to Air, Air to Ground or Ground to Air combat simulation and let's not forget our incredible Super Carriers & other sea assets. The ME is truly awesome, with it's vast inbuilt options of tools and resources, beautiful interface and not to mention the ability to introduce images, scripts, sounds and lots more to the program. I remember many years ago our awesome and hard-working BIGNEWY himself commented to me in regards to mission creation within the ME, "your only limited by your imagination". And it's so true! Brothers and Sisters, this is where the magic happens, and personally for me and I'm sure many others would be devastated if our ME were to be phased out. Look, I'm patient & don't mind waiting for things to be updated & fixed within our ME. So please ED, don't ground pound our Mission Editior into oblivion. That's all I wanted to share with you. Stay safe & stay under the radar all, GA out. 1 GazAce's "Skynet Rig" :: :: 13th Gen Intel Core i9-13900K :: Asus ROG Strix Z790-A Mobo :: Nvidia GeForce RTX 4090 MSI Gaming Slim GPU 24GB :: NZXT Kraken Elite 280 RGB AIO White Cooler :: G Skill Trident Z Royals DDR4 4x16GB = 64GB :: WD Black SN 850X NVMe SSD 2TB M.2 (C Drive) :: Samsung 860 Pro 2TB SATA (D Drive) & a couple of other Drives adding another 1.5 TB :: Corsair Crystal 680X White Case :: Asus XG349C 34" Curve G-Sync 180Hz 3440x1440 Monitor :: MSI 1000 Watt PSU PCIE5 :: Virpil Constellation Alpha-R Stick with VPC WarBRD Base :: Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle :: 3 x CubeSim ext mini screens with TM Cougar MFD Bezels :: Asus ROG Pugio 503 Gaming Mouse & Razer BlackWidow mech kb :: TrackIR 5 Pro & Cap Clip :: Win 11 64 Bit
AndyJWest Posted September 15, 2024 Posted September 15, 2024 You are clearly reading far more into that statement than what it actually says. 15
Rudel_chw Posted September 16, 2024 Posted September 16, 2024 24 minutes ago, GazAce said: After reading that, I'm very concerned that ED is slowly tolling the death knell bells for our precious ME All the 3rd party Campaign developers use the Mission Editor, do you really believe ED would ditch the tool they use and lose that revenue? 6 For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
Cab Posted September 16, 2024 Posted September 16, 2024 On 9/16/2024 at 12:47 AM, GazAce said: Hey there awesome DCS Brothers & Sisters! I was alarmed when I read this piece from our last newsletter a few days ago. Instant Action Generator Development Progress "We are currently working on a new Instant Action Generator (IAG) that will replace the existing Fast Mission Generator. The IAG is designed to be user-friendly and allow you to easily and quickly set up simple air-to-air and air-to-ground missions without having to use the Mission Editor. The primary objective of the IAG is to allow more mission content in an easy-to-use interface" etc etc. After reading that, I'm very concerned that ED is slowly tolling the death knell bells for our precious ME, by introducing this IAG. And who knows why, funds, resources, limited manpower or just can't be arsed anymore? Even with its Madagascan jungle bugs ( that do eventually get addressed ) the Mission Editor is an amazing and incredible feature of DCS and for me personally, my favourite part of the Sim. I mean, when you think of it, there's nothing like it in the world, when it comes to creating Air to Air, Air to Ground or Ground to Air combat simulation and let's not forget our incredible Super Carriers & other sea assets. The ME is truly awesome, with it's vast inbuilt options of tools and resources, beautiful interface and not to mention the ability to introduce images, scripts, sounds and lots more to the program. I remember many years ago our awesome and hard-working BIGNEWY himself commented to me in regards to mission creation within the ME, "your only limited by your imagination". And it's so true! Brothers and Sisters, this is where the magic happens, and personally for me and I'm sure many others would be devastated if our ME were to be phased out. Look, I'm patient & don't mind waiting for things to be updated & fixed within our ME. So please ED, don't ground pound our Mission Editior into oblivion. That's all I wanted to share with you. Stay safe & stay under the radar all, GA out. If anything, they seem to be upgrading the current Create Fast Mission feature, not replacing the Mission Editor. 5
Gierasimov Posted September 16, 2024 Posted September 16, 2024 IAG is meant for people who don't know how to use ME and don't want to spend time in there. ME is the main source of content for the sim, both free, self made, or paid. While I am sure ME is here to stay, at least for now, it might become secondary once the Dynamic Campaign and things like IAG are in place. For now though ME is not threatened in any way. 1 Intel Ultra 9 285K :: ROG STRIX Z890-A GAMING WIFI :: Kingston Fury 64GB :: MSI RTX 4080 Gaming X Trio :: VKB Gunfighter MK.III MCG Ultimate :: VPC MongoosT-50 CM3 :: non-VR :: single player :: open beta
Mr_sukebe Posted September 16, 2024 Posted September 16, 2024 I can't see the ME being killed. For one thing, we know that ED asked for feedback and are intending to improve and enhance it. I'm hoping that we'll end up with a standalone web browser version that will allow things like copy and paste from one terrain to another, undo etc. 1 7800x3d, 5080, 64GB, PCIE5 SSD - Oculus Pro - Moza (AB9), Virpil (Alpha, CM3, CM1 and CM2), WW (TOP and CP), TM (MFDs, Pendular Rudder), Tek Creations (F18 panel), Total Controls (Apache MFD), Jetseat
Hiob Posted September 16, 2024 Posted September 16, 2024 Actually ED is actively developing the ME (albeit with unknown priority). The last "feature"-update wasn't too long ago iirc. 2 "Muß ich denn jedes Mal, wenn ich sauge oder saugblase den Schlauchstecker in die Schlauchnut schieben?"
GazAce Posted September 17, 2024 Author Posted September 17, 2024 I somehow knew that would paint a target on my back, which some kb warriors here like to revel in aiming at & wait for opportune moments like this to pounce. I should've mentioned that my little piece back there was thinking more long term, as in not next week, next month or this year even but maybe this IAG is a precursor for a slow transition away from our ME six to eighteen months or even two years from now. And 3rd party Dev's revenue? Really? Listen, I'm no 3rd party Campaign Dev & neither is the average punter that flies this sim. Also, as much as I love & support my DCS, ED is no Disney, Ubisoft, Bioware or Bethesda, so resources & revenue are very limited. So if a bad year or two in module sales & other forms of revenue ensues, then Ed could easily only make this ME available for Devs. Thus keeping it very localised, saving a sh..t load in time & resource$ rather that fixing bugs & updating or upgrading the ME for us poor punters. I'm no conspiracy theorist nor doomsayer. Actually I'm quite a happy upbeat kinda guy. And I'll tell you something else too, I've bought quite a few modules & maps here that I haven't even looked at yet & I don't even feel stupid about it because I know it supports a cause & it's my favorite pastime. In relation to ME though, I just think for something in the future, we should keep an open mind about it, that's all I'm saying. And if we're ever asked to vote on it staying or going in a trade off for something else perhaps? I know what I'll be saying. Not replying to any more comments about this, won't take any bait & I couldn't give a s..t what peeps say about me, too old to care lol Stay safe & stay under the radar. GA out GazAce's "Skynet Rig" :: :: 13th Gen Intel Core i9-13900K :: Asus ROG Strix Z790-A Mobo :: Nvidia GeForce RTX 4090 MSI Gaming Slim GPU 24GB :: NZXT Kraken Elite 280 RGB AIO White Cooler :: G Skill Trident Z Royals DDR4 4x16GB = 64GB :: WD Black SN 850X NVMe SSD 2TB M.2 (C Drive) :: Samsung 860 Pro 2TB SATA (D Drive) & a couple of other Drives adding another 1.5 TB :: Corsair Crystal 680X White Case :: Asus XG349C 34" Curve G-Sync 180Hz 3440x1440 Monitor :: MSI 1000 Watt PSU PCIE5 :: Virpil Constellation Alpha-R Stick with VPC WarBRD Base :: Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle :: 3 x CubeSim ext mini screens with TM Cougar MFD Bezels :: Asus ROG Pugio 503 Gaming Mouse & Razer BlackWidow mech kb :: TrackIR 5 Pro & Cap Clip :: Win 11 64 Bit
Hiob Posted September 17, 2024 Posted September 17, 2024 Nobody attacked you. We were just a little baffled by this concern (which came a bit out of left field honestly) and gave reasons why this is very unlikely to say the least. Neither long or short term. DCS is a sandbox kind of game (for better or worse), the ME is pretty much its life support. Sure, ED may one day change their course, but currently I don’t see any signs of that at all. 10 "Muß ich denn jedes Mal, wenn ich sauge oder saugblase den Schlauchstecker in die Schlauchnut schieben?"
Exorcet Posted September 18, 2024 Posted September 18, 2024 I suppose there is no harm in checking, though I also don't think the IAG has anything to do with removing the ME. If anything it will probably plug into the ME like the current Fast generator does, though that's just my guess and if it's not the case that's a suggest I'd make for the IAG. 2 Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files
Cab Posted September 18, 2024 Posted September 18, 2024 On 9/17/2024 at 12:47 AM, GazAce said: I somehow knew that would paint a target on my back, which some kb warriors here like to revel in aiming at & wait for opportune moments like this to pounce. Wow. Play the victim much? 5
Gierasimov Posted September 19, 2024 Posted September 19, 2024 6 hours ago, Cab said: Wow. Play the victim much? Let's move on. IAG is going to be whatever ED want's it to be, ME will live as long as ED want's it to. For sure, over the years, you can see various features announced and delivered or updated on for few more years is a standard for DCS so, let's see what happens in the future. 1 Intel Ultra 9 285K :: ROG STRIX Z890-A GAMING WIFI :: Kingston Fury 64GB :: MSI RTX 4080 Gaming X Trio :: VKB Gunfighter MK.III MCG Ultimate :: VPC MongoosT-50 CM3 :: non-VR :: single player :: open beta
Nealius Posted September 19, 2024 Posted September 19, 2024 "Without having to use" does not mean "will replace." This is basic English. 3
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted September 19, 2024 ED Team Posted September 19, 2024 @GazAce with all due respect you need to calm down, no one said the mission editor will be replaced, this change will make our current fast mission generator even better. Please no profanity here, and lets not call people names when they reply to you, your initial tone was alarmist and it only breads similar responses. thank you 5 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
draconus Posted September 19, 2024 Posted September 19, 2024 (edited) On 9/17/2024 at 7:47 AM, GazAce said: I'm no conspiracy theorist nor doomsayer. Your posts say otherwise. You pulled it out of your "back" without any hint of info or action from ED. IAG is only supposed to replace bad functioning current Create Fast Mission. ME is definitely here to stay. It's one of the most important features of the sim. It makes it alive, it puts story and action into the simulation. Many users create their own missions and share with other which hugely improves everyone's DCS experience and some even only make missions in DCS (not flying themselves). DLC creators and devs themselves use it to create great missions and campaigns. ED actively develops ME and improve it with more features either WIP or in plans, so no, ME isn't going anywhere. Edited September 19, 2024 by draconus 1 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
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