Which AIM-120?

Gunfreak · January 17

So will the F35 actually get AIM120D/C8?

Or will it be stuck flinging 90s AMRAAMs at 45nm range?

F-2 · January 17

I was gunna ask this. Technically I think it can carry the C5 but I think newer missiles would be more appropriate.

ACS_Dev · January 17

They would have to model a more advanced variant than a hamstrung AIM-120C-3 (the most modern AMRAAM we have) first.

falcon_120 · January 17

So will the F35 actually get AIM120D/C8?
Or will it be stuck flinging 90s AMRAAMs at 45nm range?

You can always go team Eurofighter/Meteor... just saying

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Pilotasso · January 17

I would guess the AIM-120C variants will be the earliest models that the F-35 can carry due to being internally carried and it having shorter fins (so no AIM-120A/B), but loading anything less than AIM-120D would limit this aircraft usefulness in A-A CAP missions. So yes, having AIM-120D is pratically a basic requirement to simulate the F-35.

Gunfreak · January 17

5 minutes ago, Pilotasso said:

I would guess the AIM-120C variants will be the earliest models that the F-35 can carry due to being internally carried and it having shorter fins (so no AIM-120A/B), but loading anything less than AIM-120D would limit this aircraft usefulness in A-A CAP missions. So yes, having AIM-120D is pratically a basic requirement to simulate the F-35.

We don't even have C5 or C7.

We got the C3.

Pilotasso · January 17

things change, plus getting the AIM-120D would be easier than getting the F-35A

NineLine · January 18

The F-35 should grow and expand DCS in different ways including weapons. The final say on weapons will come a little later when we see what can and can't be done here.

TacoGrease · January 18

1 hour ago, NineLine said:

The F-35 should grow and expand DCS in different ways including weapons. The final say on weapons will come a little later when we see what can and can't be done here.

I am largely a lurker. But surely you can agree that a more advanced variant of the AMRAAM will be necessary in order to remotely proximate the capabilities of the F-35, yes?

NineLine · January 18

2 minutes ago, TacoGrease said:

I am largely a lurker. But surely you can agree that a more advanced variant of the AMRAAM will be necessary in order to remotely proximate the capabilities of the F-35, yes?

Of course, but we are also not going to over commit right now, and will follow up on these subjects as development proceeds. Usually, we just tease and then allow discussion, the FAQs is new and we know things will change don't want to pin our selves in any places we cannot get out of.

bies · January 18

3 hours ago, NineLine said:

The F-35 should grow and expand DCS in different ways including weapons. The final say on weapons will come a little later when we see what can and can't be done here.

It may expand DCS in terms of RCS simulation. Even if only a bit. It would make flying F-35 much more interesting, analyzing enemy radars and chosing proper route to minimize own RCS.

AMEDooley · January 18

The 120D is a highly classified missile. It would be guess work by the team. It would be interesting to see what they come up with if they go with the D.

TordinVarglund · January 19

3 hours ago, AMEDooley said:

The 120D is a highly classified missile. It would be guess work by the team. It would be interesting to see what they come up with if they go with the D.

The F-35 is a highly classified plane. We're already in the guesswork era of DCS as of a few days ago, so what's the harm?

NineLine · January 19

3 hours ago, AMEDooley said:

The 120D is a highly classified missile. It would be guess work by the team. It would be interesting to see what they come up with if they go with the D.

Most missile and defensive systems are highly classified and require other types of research. This is nothing new even for the age of fighters and weapons we have now.

Lord_Pyro · January 22

Getting Data out of the Missile is actually not that complicated as many of people here may think.

The easiest way would probably for a country to get a ton of medium/low Budget Fighteraircraft, declare war on a nation which fields the 35 plus AIM120D's, then maintain most of the fleet constantly airborne so that the F35 are forced to actually use these missiles.

If enough are to be shot, there are bound to be some duds among them, which also fail to detonate. Aquire them afterwards and reverse engineer them.

It's easy. You just have to sacrifice your political credibility, foreign relations, tons of money and of course some lifes.

But the gain would be public knownledge about the missile. (If the country decides to share what they might discover)

No need to overcomplicate things.

skywalker22 · January 22

On 1/19/2025 at 2:39 AM, NineLine said:

Most missile and defensive systems are highly classified and require other types of research. This is nothing new even for the age of fighters and weapons we have now.

Would be interesting to hear what are other types of researches, when something is classified. Can you give us a clue?

falcon_120 · January 22

3 hours ago, Lord_Pyro said:

Getting Data out of the Missile is actually not that complicated as many of people here may think.

The easiest way would probably for a country to get a ton of medium/low Budget Fighteraircraft, declare war on a nation which fields the 35 plus AIM120D's, then maintain most of the fleet constantly airborne so that the F35 are forced to actually use these missiles.

If enough are to be shot, there are bound to be some duds among them, which also fail to detonate. Aquire them afterwards and reverse engineer them.

It's easy. You just have to sacrifice your political credibility, foreign relations, tons of money and of course some lifes.

But the gain would be public knownledge about the missile. (If the country decides to share what they might discover)

No need to overcomplicate things.

jeventy26 · January 22

3 hours ago, Lord_Pyro said:

Getting Data out of the Missile is actually not that complicated as many of people here may think.

The easiest way would probably for a country to get a ton of medium/low Budget Fighteraircraft, declare war on a nation which fields the 35 plus AIM120D's, then maintain most of the fleet constantly airborne so that the F35 are forced to actually use these missiles.

If enough are to be shot, there are bound to be some duds among them, which also fail to detonate. Aquire them afterwards and reverse engineer them.

It's easy. You just have to sacrifice your political credibility, foreign relations, tons of money and of course some lifes.

But the gain would be public knownledge about the missile. (If the country decides to share what they might discover)

No need to overcomplicate things.

That's exactly what proxy wars are for

Hobel · January 22

Not Sure · January 23

Since seeing the F-35 at an airshow/defense tech demo is now good enough to develop a "full fidelity" F-35, can we just get more advanced Aim-120s now? Literally every 4th generation fighter carries them today. Why not just add them into the next update? I think that would attract a ton of new players to DCS.

Edited January 23 by Not Sure

Lord_Pyro · January 23

How would it attract more?

I can hardly imagine even one player at all doing research about dcs and then thinking to himself: "What!? Only aim120b and c? <profanity> it, i'm out!"

Not even one!

What doesnt mean i would be against newer models. I just cant imagine that beeing an interesting point at all for possible newcomers.

MAXsenna · January 23

40 minutes ago, Lord_Pyro said:

just cant imagine that beeing an interesting point at all for possible newcomers.

They wanna make the WT crowd "git gud".

Spino · January 24

On 1/17/2025 at 1:16 PM, Pilotasso said:

I would guess the AIM-120C variants will be the earliest models that the F-35 can carry due to being internally carried and it having shorter fins (so no AIM-120A/B), but loading anything less than AIM-120D would limit this aircraft usefulness in A-A CAP missions. So yes, having AIM-120D is pratically a basic requirement to simulate the F-35.

This is complete nonsense. Even if you limit the F-35 to the existing AIM-120C that we currently have, it'll still be an extremely powerful platform in the BVR arena. Your missiles are the same as every other AMRAAM-slinging plane in DCS, but you can afford to push in closer than anyone else because most of the current radars in DCS will have a hard time tracking you outside of something like 20 miles. Not adding the AIM-120D would just make the F-35's advantage in BVR less ridiculous, but it would still have one. And that assumes that ED doesn't model the LPI frequency hopping capability of the F-35's radar. If they did, then your radar emissions wouldn't even necessarily show up reliably on most of the RWR systems currently modeled in DCS - so locating an F-35 would be even more difficult.

Pilotasso · January 24

Two-way datalink is not nonsense, it's a game changer, and the cherry on top is the added range.

Hobel · January 24

vor 1 Stunde schrieb Pilotasso:

Two-way datalink is not nonsense, it's a game changer, and the cherry on top is the added range.

Yep, a little longer life and a little more burn time would make a lot of difference.

Kinematically, our Aim120C could also fly 100nm, but the Lifetime is not long enough

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