DCS SA342 Gazelle Project

[Flappie]

anyone wanting a AH-1 little bird helicopter

AH-6 :smartass:

 

The AH-1 is not what you could call a "little bird".

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

AH-6 :smartass:

 

The AH-1 is not what you could call a "little bird".

More like an angry bird

 

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[hannibal]

AH-6 :smartass:

 

The AH-1 is not what you could call a "little bird".

 

YOU SIR ..

 

are correct.. i meant to say AH-6!

thanks!

[VEPR 12]

Just had to say my mind is blown after see live stream, devs, I cannot wait!

[theGozr]

@rezn550 I think so .. but some how I think there is another reason but all of it it's good, Will love The Gazelle . And just thinking of the amount of work .. I think a lots of people are not aware but goodness..! :)

Edited December 5, 2015 by theGozr

[kobac]

You speak of possible bugs of a module that is not even released, you take your meaning from a YouTube video and if you don't prove us wrong, you are not an actual Gazelle Pilot like the advisors/test fliers of this module.

 

Speechless :doh:

 

Actually I am a military helicopter pilot and fly all variants of Gazelle. In my commentary, I left the reservation that my judgment has given only on the basis of watching YT videos. I apologize to you if you do nuisance. I don't want to diminish the size of the effort of programmers on this great module, I just want FM to be as close to real helicopter. I will not give any comments on this topic. Salute!

[Darkwolf]

Folks,

 

DCS community is too small to fight each other. You guys should stop shooting each other at the first misunderstanding. Can we go over this before the mods jumps in ? :)

[Looney]

I really hope Kobac tries the Gazelle out when it gets sold. We can gain a lot of inside information on how to handle the Gazelle from a real pilot. In my view, that's a golden opportunity not to let pass.

[Frusheen]

I really hope Kobac tries the Gazelle out when it gets sold. We can gain a lot of inside information on how to handle the Gazelle from a real pilot. In my view, that's a golden opportunity not to let pass.

 

I hope he gets to try it BEFORE it is sold. The more input from people like him the better.

[FishDoctor]

I hope he gets to try it BEFORE it is sold. The more input from people like him the better.

 

Yeah, I hope the polychop-guys see. Yeah, they have allready real pilots, but more = better :D And I think I speak for the whole community if I say: We want it as real as it gets! :)

[Frusheen]

Wags was flying with all Autopilot/SAS on, flying without definitely looking different and not that stable ;)

 

And they ARE working very hard to bring a very authentic flightmodel to you guys. You'll be blown away!

 

I think autopilot is the key to it. I also felt the video 'looked' like the helicopter was on rails until Wags brought the speed back and then it was more like Wags usual heli flying :-p

 

Honestly I'm not in a position to judge but I can see what Kobac is getting at. I hope it was the autopilot. I've no doubt Polychop will do a good job and won't dumb it down for the fixed wing flyers. I've invested heavily in full size helicopter controls and like FishDoctor says I want it as real as possible. If I wanted easy to fly helicopters that are unrealistic id be back in FSX. I don't think that will be the case with this.

[TomOnSteam]

Stealth?

Currently in DCS, it seems to me that as soon as you are within range of a say a tank in the Ka-50, you immediately get painted by the laser, and soon after you are being fired at with missiles, cannons or guns - and not usually just one tank, but all of them nearby!

 

Given that neither the Gazelle or Bo-PAH has no armour, will it be possible to remain hidden behind trees, buildings, hills so that enemies are not aware you are there (surely you cannot hear a helicopter from 3km away when you are in a tank?).

 

I would absolutely love to sneak up on a unit of tanks or trucks and get the first shot in, then hide under the trees again and attack from another side whilst they are looking at my original position (assuming they have figured out where I fired from, perhaps they don't even know).

 

You could even have an AI or human wingman fire from an opposite position to create confusion for the tanks, so that perhaps only one out of them all will see you at first.

[rrohde]

+1, TomOnSteam!

[Galwran]

+1.

 

Enemy AI spotting should be reduced by 50% if you are less than 10 meters from trees.

[Dahlbeck]

Or to make it simple, if your AGL is lower than X.

[FishDoctor]

@TomOnSteam: Somwhere in the threads for the Gazelle was a video from the German army, which showed up the tactics of Bo-105. (I think because of the fact they use the same weapon-system its similar to gazelle-tactics)

They sneak up below 30ft over ground between trees and hills and when reaching firering position wait for the enemy. They have not been build for strikes but for defense, so stay still and wait for enemy to come. In the video was said that noone could hear a chopper while sitting in a moving tank, especially a soviet one :D

When the enemy is in range they fire one HOT and after hitting (or not) they evade. (Just one single shot) Then the repeat. Until your tubes are empty.

If you fight this way 4 tubes are not that less and you can have a bit fun before flying home to farp to rearm :)

[LNR212]

I want it as real as possible...

 

You will get it as real as THEY want, and "they" only want the best for you guys.

We're a bunch of real pilots, some of us are gazelle pilots, and we are very satisfied with the fm for now and it's getting better and better. Due to the many updates in DCS versions PolyChop has much to do in re-coding to be up to date with the actual release versions. We'll continue testing and improving, so PolyChop will release an

awsome experience in virtual helicopter flying :thumbup:

Just be patient...

[Cibit]

In the Apache book by Ed Macy called Hellfire the first couple of chapters goes into depth about his time flying Gazelles

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6856897-hellfire

 

Particularly interesting was the passage about reconnoitering an armoured column during a BATUS operation in Canada and another about overwatch of infantry in Northern Ireland.

 

I could not find a reference in the book of the type of Gazelle he flew but very informative none the less:)

[QuiGon]

@TomOnSteam: Somwhere in the threads for the Gazelle was a video from the German army, which showed up the tactics of Bo-105. (I think because of the fact they use the same weapon-system its similar to gazelle-tactics)

They sneak up below 30ft over ground between trees and hills and when reaching firering position wait for the enemy. They have not been build for strikes but for defense, so stay still and wait for enemy to come. In the video was said that noone could hear a chopper while sitting in a moving tank, especially a soviet one :D

When the enemy is in range they fire one HOT and after hitting (or not) they evade. (Just one single shot) Then the repeat. Until your tubes are empty.

If you fight this way 4 tubes are not that less and you can have a bit fun before flying home to farp to rearm :)

 

Here's the said thread with the video: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=146749

 

I have to say that is what really worries me about the Gazelle and the Bo-105. Their ATGMs don't have a very long range, so you need to get pretty close and suprise the enemy, but that is not really possible in DCS, because of two reasons:

-Trees don't block LOS for the AI

-The AI has super awareness and spots you pretty much instantly if you get in range, regardless of direction and cover.

 

So I wonder, how do you fight in those two birds in DCS?

[Pikey]

DCS 2.0 no longer you get targetted through trees, it's easier to play combined arms type engagements so i believe the old way of being destroyed quickly that you describe may be on the way out.

Stealth?

Currently in DCS, it seems to me that as soon as you are within range of a say a tank in the Ka-50, you immediately get painted by the laser, and soon after you are being fired at with missiles, cannons or guns - and not usually just one tank, but all of them nearby!

 

Given that neither the Gazelle or Bo-PAH has no armour, will it be possible to remain hidden behind trees, buildings, hills so that enemies are not aware you are there (surely you cannot hear a helicopter from 3km away when you are in a tank?).

 

I would absolutely love to sneak up on a unit of tanks or trucks and get the first shot in, then hide under the trees again and attack from another side whilst they are looking at my original position (assuming they have figured out where I fired from, perhaps they don't even know).

 

You could even have an AI or human wingman fire from an opposite position to create confusion for the tanks, so that perhaps only one out of them all will see you at first.

[Darkwolf]

Not much tree in nevada tho - and in Caucasus tree will likely still remain transparent to AI since they won't get a collision model.

 

It's gonna be tought battle for Gazelle pilot. :noexpression: However, it worth for AI tanks too. They don't have as much cover/camo as they have IRL. :lol:

[BaD CrC]

Well, missions will need to be carefully crafted and planned according to aircraft capability, and this will strengthen the opportunities to work in coordination with other type of FW/RW. Just like IRL, you won't send Gazelles for SEAD for sure. With 4,5km range, it will be OK to use HOT against tanks although it's true you'll be pretty much in range of the tanks too. Time to play with the gazelle's agility, hiding capability behind buildings (or trees for NTTR map), and pop up maneuvers. ATGMs are usually not too hard to dodge for agile helicopters.

Since BS, choppers had always been pretty vulnerable on the battlefield and we DCS chopper pilots had to adapt and develop tactics rather than comfortably sitting at 10000 meters, happily watching our laser guided bomb blasting entire convoys on a screen. This is why choppers are so exciting to fly (IMHO)

[TomOnSteam]

Of course, but I don't believe there is a way to sneak up on AI enemies in DCS currently.

[Focha]

You will get it as real as THEY want, and "they" only want the best for you guys.

We're a bunch of real pilots, some of us are gazelle pilots, and we are very satisfied with the fm for now and it's getting better and better. Due to the many updates in DCS versions PolyChop has much to do in re-coding to be up to date with the actual release versions. We'll continue testing and improving, so PolyChop will release an

awsome experience in virtual helicopter flying :thumbup:

Just be patient...

 

Hi,

 

Are you a civilian commercial rated pilot or were you in the army flying the Gazelle? How many hours did you logged in? If civilian, do you still fly it?

 

Never flown a Gazelle but I fly a lot the 365 N2, have some 300 hours on the type. I'm currently flying 350 B3+.

 

Nice to hear some real pilots here in the community helping the developers.

 

Cheers mate.

[LNR212]

Hi,

 

Are you a civilian commercial rated pilot or were you in the army flying the Gazelle? How many hours did you logged in? If civilian, do you still fly it?

 

Never flown a Gazelle but I fly a lot the 365 N2, have some 300 hours on the type. I'm currently flying 350 B3+.

 

Nice to hear some real pilots here in the community helping the developers.

 

Cheers mate.

 

Hi,

Im on helicopters and fixed wing. AB212, Caravan, KingAir...

But we also have real Gazelle pilots in the team and Pat, Olli and Sven are working every day very hard on the module. You helo-guys will be blown away ;)