Announcing Lock On: Flaming Cliffs 3

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Hey Glowing Amraam, have you fallen a sleep or something? Where's the promo video?

 

I wonder if there is anything new to show in FC3, is it worth spending time (and money) making a video?

[159th_Viper]

......(and money) making a video?

 

What money is GA going to spend making a vid?

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

What money is GA going to spend making a vid?

Is GA doing all these products promotional videos for free?

[Dudikoff]

What money is GA going to spend making a vid?

 

"Time is money", as they say?

[Hellfire257]

What money is GA going to spend making a vid?

 

Time is money. :smartass:

[159th_Viper]

Is GA doing all these products promotional videos for free?

 

Do you know any different? If not, it's always wise to never assume.

[Reicht4]

Oh, I see. Should I start whining about how it takes 8 missiles to shoot down a laggy Su-27, and how those R-73's do loops around your plane and hit you? :)

 

What is logical indeed is that you have failed to read the explanations of such events when they did happen, and then you would have known that this happens when you have laggy players regardless of which side's jets they are flying.

 

Laggy players... I was talking about core of game and answered by one of the main multiplayer problems, lagging.. GGTharos, you can be sure that, a F15 lags far more than a Fulcrum when runing away from R77's.. As you know it can fly more then 2.5M at see level, when it lags it disappears from my 23" monitor..

 

Anyway, you people always know better, keep going..

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Do you know any different? If not, it's always wise to never assume.

It is all right, you don't have to answer. Then, you shouldn't ask the question either. And, yes, time is money.

[159th_Viper]

Then, you shouldn't ask the question either..

 

Exactly. You should not infer/assume - it's bad manners.

[Kenan]

Exactly. You should not infer/assume - it's bad manners.

 

I don't think Hajduk said anything that is remotely close to "bad manners". Time IS money, even if you're doing something for free, spend hours on it, you could have made money either out of it or of something else.

[159th_Viper]

You do not comment/infer circumstance/assume terms on the contractual relationship that may exist between two parties if you do not even have a remote vested interest in said relationship. It is and remains their personal affair/business.

 

Doing so is bad manners.

[GGTharos]

Interesting fairy tale :)

 

Laggy players... I was talking about core of game and answered by one of the main multiplayer problems, lagging.. GGTharos, you can be sure that, a F15 lags far more than a Fulcrum when runing away from R77's.. As you know it can fly more then 2.5M at see level, when it lags it disappears from my 23" monitor..

 

Anyway, you people always know better, keep going..

[Kenan]

You do not comment/infer circumstance/assume terms on the contractual relationship that may exist between two parties if you do not even have a remote vested interest in said relationship. It is and remains their personal affair/business.

 

Doing so is bad manners.

 

With all due respect, I think you're reading too much into Hajduk's comment and are unneccessarily making a big deal out of it.

[Cali]

Why should an Su or MiG fly low to stand a chance against an F-15? This is something I've always had hard time to understand.

 

Why do you think F-15's fly high? Let a Su or Mig fly against a 15 in his territory and see what happens. I'm not sure how Su-27's or mig-29 fly, but US jets always have a wingman or 4-ship. Guess what that means, mutual support.

 

The record means nothing in this context, if we had MiG-21's and 23's instead of Flankers then yes we could say so as the F-15 has butchered these aircraft without getting a scratch, Flankers have never faced F-15's in the big outdoors, ever.

The problem in FC is that the Su-27 is the S version with a dumbed down version of it's 20th century tech while the F-15C is using a dumbed down version 21st century tech. If FC had a modern 21st century Flanker then it would be a whole different ball game.

 

And the F-15 is missing a bunch of features. We can go on for days about this. Same thing would happen to them. Unless a Air Force flies and trains as much as the US, nothing is basically going to change for jets going against it.

[Rainmaker]

Negative Flank:

 

Notching is reduction of doppler effect by flying 90 degrees off a radar emittion source, and it only works if the attacker aircraft is looking down against you and ground clutter.

 

Notching=lawn mowers, yes its annoying but a valid tactic and it will still be seen in FC3 almost for sure.

 

This might be the case in the sim but not the same IRL. The notch does not have to be performed in a look-down down aspect.

[Nate--IRL--]

This might be the case in the sim but not the same IRL. The notch does not have to be performed in a look-down down aspect.

 

Surely a Radar computer would be able to process and target a target flying 90 degrees off a radar emotion source, when there is no ground clutter present.

 

Nate

[Pilotasso]

Flying high while 90 degrees off only presents a FAT juicy target to your opposition.

[Case]

Will FC3 be released with the fixes to the multiplayer issues people have been reporting in DCS World?

[USAFMTL]

You can't notch AESA radar.....hehehe...and ground clutter is now not a factor... but again we don't have AESA radar. Just a little factoid.

[Frostie]

 

And the F-15 is missing a bunch of features. We can go on for days about this. Same thing would happen to them. Unless a Air Force flies and trains as much as the US, nothing is basically going to change for jets going against it.

I said both Flanker and F-15 were dumbed down in FC the Flanker being an old variant, if FC had an Su-30 or 27SM with TWS and actives then it would be a different ballgame to what we have now, nothing to debate for days there.

[HiJack]

Will FC3 be released with the fixes to the multiplayer issues people have been reporting in DCS World?

Nothing said on that matter but there sure must come a patch in the near future.

 

(HJ)

[combatace]

I want Mig-29S to be able to engage 2 targets at a time.

I want Su-30 to be able to refuel mid air.

 

Also, I just want atleast the basic functions of the aircraft, like Su-30 refueling, Su-33 canard breaks/ canard take-off position, wingman's jet performs same as player, improvements in light and rain/snow (gradual reduction in visibility as distance increases).

 

I said this while FC 2 was in discussion and now again.

For simplicity the physics engine uses the real world values and calculates according to that but variation in data of Aim-120 lets it perform better than data equal to real life as others.

 

Weight and diameter of R-27s was more than real life while for most of the missiles it was equal to real life. They don't have continuous rod type war head not just simple blast fragmentation. Missile losses lock too easily doesn't even go to its max G value.

 

Aim-120B/C weight and diameter were less than in real life. Weight of warhead was more while other missiles had the same as real life. Catches targets out of its scan area after losing track. Missile's seeker looks straight after losing track and will only acquire if a target comes within that scan area, gimbal limits is a different thing.

 

 

 

This needs to be corrected.

Edited September 8, 2012 by combatace

[Dimebag]

Probably as a result of everybody exhausting every narrative possible.

 

Please relax, unwind and enjoy yourself. (and live up to your name......I am of course assuming you know what a 'dime bag' is)

 

Yes, I suggest everyone take a 'chill pill' as you suggest, tensions are running high as you can see. The reason for my statement was that this thread has turned into an f-15 vs flanker s*#t fight match; the are plenty of those elsewhere in the forum, so I am suggesting those people should continue their slinging matches there.

[Wichid]

I have some questions. Sorry if this has been mentioned before but I fail at searching.

 

Does the host in Multiplayer need FC3 installed to get the missile AFM?

 

Is there a manual out for FC3? Or will the FC2 manual do?

[FLANKERATOR]

Why do you think F-15's fly high? Let a Su or Mig fly against a 15 in his territory and see what happens. I'm not sure how Su-27's or mig-29 fly, but US jets always have a wingman or 4-ship. Guess what that means, mutual support.

 

Not sure we're on the same frequency here Cali. What are you talking about?

I said flying low is not the only option for Su's and MiG's against F-15.

The Eagle has the upper hand at high angels but that doesn't mean you can't do the same on a Russian Fighter. Mutual support isn't exclusive to the F-15 either.