Some details of FC3 AFM Missile Improvements

[Witchking]

Never knew R-27s had thrust vectoring ;)

 

OR

 

The more likely explanation....ED's missile exhaust effect cannot deal with directional change.

[Pilotasso]

Obviously fluid flow physics is not yet done for jet stream and smoke generation. Possibly when ED introduces PhysX. :)

[Bucic]

Obviously fluid flow physics is not yet done for jet stream and smoke generation. Possibly when ED introduces PhysX. :)

Dude, ED haven't wrapped their heads around particle effects (purely graphical) and you talk PhysX :rolleyes:

 

Grpahics aside, I wonder how arcade one has to be to not see the value brought by FC 3 - let's remind people again - that includes DCS World improvements :doh: BTW, are there some videos that can roughly present the missile AFM in action?

[Megagoth1702]

Awesome work ED, thank you.

[Cedaway]

AIM-9X test found on youtube...

For your entertainment

 

[H eXPerieNce]

i still dont get why F15 keep geting new 120 missles, and russian planes dont get upgraded missles in game, atleas put new r77 (RVV-SD) versions so we hade chance agenst f15 120c, becuse now it just imposible go head to head in bvr, with old R-77 or R-27

[Pilotasso]

No info on the new russian missiles yet as they are being developed. The R-77 is older and much better known, this is why the list of missiles is limited. Also, current missiles ingame are being fixed and they are not yet representative of what they can do.

[Vault]

6 years on and they still haven't fixed the 20 metre exploit. They implemented bird strikes to discourage users from this tactic. Face it they ain't never gonna fix it.

[Pyroflash]

H[= eXPerieNce;1643574']i still dont get why F15 keep geting new 120 missles' date=' and russian planes dont get upgraded missles in game, atleas put new r77 (RVV-SD) versions so we hade chance agenst f15 120c, becuse now it just imposible go head to head in bvr, with old R-77 or R-27[/quote']

 

Just to be clear:

 

1. The missile dynamics as a whole are still being worked on. This is probably going to fix the tracking/range issues of the R-27ERs, as well as the problems with missiles bleeding speed too quickly.

 

2. The F-15C hasn't gotten a new missile since FC2.

 

3. The RVV-AE represented in game isn't disadvantaged when compared to the AIM-120. In fact, in a lot of respects, it is better. For example, when the AIM-120C lofts at longer ranges, it loses a good deal of speed on its way down. The R-77 does not.

 

4. Are you really hating the missile, or your inability to defeat the weapon? Because currently, as it stands, you can easily defeat AIM-120s. However don't expect that to mean that should give you the edge over an F-15C in BVR. It won't. The F-15C is the king of BVR until the F-22A comes out. Period. This is representative of real life. If you don't like it, bring some more guys to even out the exchange rate, or develop better tactics that let you get closer. I hear notching works well for example.

[alexej21]

Can someone tell me gimbal limits of FC3 MiG 29's / Su27's radar?

 

I didn't find it in the manual.

 

Thank you,

[Vault]

If Russian fans are finding the F-15/120 combination frustrating wait till the F-22/120 combination is released. You'll probably end up rage quitting lol.

[Pilotasso]

It will be a non issue for multiplayer, the plane is unlikely to be allowed by servers unless some sort of equalizer is added...like more F-22's on the other side. That would be a killer to actually find anyone. :D

[Exorcet]

It will be a non issue for multiplayer, the plane is unlikely to be allowed by servers unless some sort of equalizer is added...like more F-22's on the other side. That would be a killer to actually find anyone. :D

 

I hope people get creative rather than shut the F-22 out online. I'm looking forward to it, as part of both sides.

[NRG-Vampire]

dont worry there will be F-22, F-35 and Su-T-50 with AIM-9X, AIM-120D, R-27EA, R-37, R-77M-Ramjet and KS-172 on one day ;)

[Frostie]

I hope people get creative rather than shut the F-22 out online. I'm looking forward to it, as part of both sides.

Just give us a Tiffy and we'll soon put the Raptor to the sword. :D

[danilop]

S 300/400 anyone? :P

 

Modelling S300/400 (in Combined Arms ideally) would be great and final equalizer against 5th generation stuff :)

 

Only needing KA-50 to mop the floor afterwards. :lol:

[59th_LeFty]

That would be a killer to actually find anyone. :D

 

I imagine Krasnodar C. vs Krasnodar P. battles :D

[Teknetinium]

If Russian fans are finding the F-15/120 combination frustrating wait till the F-22/120 combination is released. You'll probably end up rage quitting lol.

 

Dont worry Su-35 is capable to take any F-15s model and F-22 will have Pak-fa to fight.´

 

When F-15A was out Su-27S model could give hell of a fight, and since missile were shit then a even fight could end up in a merge where su-27 pilots would eat F-15s for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Edited February 4, 2013 by Teknetinium

[EtherealN]

When F-15A was out Su-27S model could give hell of a fight, and since missile were shit then a even fight could end up in a merge where su-27 pilots would eat F-15s for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

 

Sorry, but... Wha?

 

Su-27S entered service just in time for the end of F-15C production. ;)

[GGTharos]

The Su-35 might be a match for the Golden Eagles, but it's still behind in terms of certain avionics.

 

The PAK-FA doesn't even have combat avionics to speak of yet.

 

Dont worry Su-35 is capable to take any F-15s model and F-22 will have Pak-fa to fight.´

 

When the F-15A was out, the Su-27S didn't even exist, and the Russians had no heaters that could compete with the AIM-9.

 

When the F-15A production stopped, and F-15C production begun and the MSIP program was being applied to F-15's (and ending production of C's :) ), the Su-27S entered service and its radar was still not capable of matching the AN/APG-63, and the Su-27S would never get into the merge with enough aircraft to eat any F-15's for any part of the day's meal, due to the flanker's BVR inferiority.

 

When F-15A was out Su-27S model could give hell of a fight, and since missile were shit then a even fight could end up in a merge where su-27 pilots would eat F-15s for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

See, I can play the drum too :D

[Cali]

It's obvious he is a fan of Russian jets.

[Teknetinium]

I'm aviation Fan, If people would say that F-15 is better then EF-2000 I would step in as well.

Just because F-15 was first doesn't mean it is best. And Su-27 dose look better then F-15 if you ask me.

 

There was a time where F-15C had aim-7 against Er-27 as well, for three years that was.

When I see people belive that they are kings of the sky because they are in F-15s my goal becomes to prove that they are wrong.

Pilot skills play bigger role. yes Real F-15 pilots would win since they have more training. but in FC3 even a Su-27 pilot can have as much training as any. That in mind you can see FC2 Su-27S squads wins over F-15 squads frequently.

 

Ill say it again Su-35 and EF-2000 will be able to fight any F-15 models.

There is not many Su-35s compere to modernised F-15 witch make no difference to me.

Edited February 5, 2013 by Teknetinium

[Drona]

The Su-35 might be a match for the Golden Eagles, but it's still behind in terms of certain avionics.

 

The PAK-FA doesn't even have combat avionics to speak of yet.

See, I can play the drum too :D

 

Oh! So did you fly the Su-35, PAK-FA, and the F-15C Golden Eagle so that you could tell the difference? Hmmmm... I'm guessing no. :P Even if you did read "classified data" and stuff, it says absolutely nothing... read-world (read wartime performance) performance differs quite significantly no matter what your classified data tells you. In the end, pilot skill matters the most no matter what aircraft you fly. Even a Su-25 can take out an F-15C, if the Su-25 pilot is better and vice-versa, an A-10A pilot can take out a Su-27S, if the A-10A pilot is better.

[71st_Mastiff]

All i know is when i pull back on the stick the F15

Jitters and sticks to the tarmac when I try to take off.

Its like the wheels are stuck to the ground and don't want

To let go of the tarmac.

[wilky510]

Teknetinium is STILL going on, i see.