Payware Models for DCSW (ONLY External 3D Models ! )

[159th_Viper]

FC series is done... stick to DCS now please...

 

Not even close.....:)

[Krebs20]

If a 3rd party made cockpits available for FC3 aircraft, got permission to sell them. There would be plenty of people that would pay for it. That's my opinion. ED can build the next dcs bird and the 3rd parties can mess with FC. Some 3rd party devs will have no interest in a DCS quality pit or aircraft.

I would rather have them make something then be told to go away if there work is not perfection. Peoples money will decide if they keep building them or not.

[combatace]

Well those who don't want to spend money or don't think of donating anything. I will advise them to go to their work and volunteer for a month and that too would not even be 10% close to what it needs to make a model.

I make models for myself and because I like to make them. Money is not what I make them for however there are times when its is really good if few bucks are dropped in. Making a model and testing it does consume not only time but other resources and when someone contributes its like you help a friend make something the only difference here is, you can't give your time so you shed a few bucks of yours.

 

 

Even FC3 level of new F-15 pit is pretty good. I bet, many people would buy f-15 alike pits for reasonable price. The prblem is - there are no such developers visible on a horizon.

 

I am building Su-27 pit since a year now have reached only 20% of it and don't know when I will get it done. You can't imagine how much time it takes.

Regards,

CombatAce

Edited December 9, 2012 by combatace

[Gaanalma]

I think if you were to use the means of the 3D simulated DCSW fee but should first go from ED to authenticate the actual compatibility Noh if there might be some problem with the chance to see the media inside the sim in multiplayer, a little 'as they did when you used a skin FC2 that was not part of the default

[rjetster1]

I would definitely support any effort to add or bring beautiful AI models into the DCS world. There are tons of AI aircraft that would be great to have… military and civilian, and lots of talented artist… the bigger the better, plus it encourages talent in this genre. Like it or not, if you want to continue to play in this genre, you have to embrace it, including the costs.

 

-Rick

[NineLine]

I think it all depends on the details, its somewhat a broad question, even with all the poll options, I think depending on the quality, options etc, I could see paying for a model. I dont know about a non flyable model, unless it was new, and if it was a flyable one, say a FC3 plane, I would hope for the cockpit to be included in this... again, it all depends on the situation.

[upupandaway]

Well those who don't want to spend money or don't think of donating anything. I will advise them to go to their work and volunteer for a month and that too would not even be 10% close to what it needs to make a model.

I make models for myself and because I like to make them. Money is not what I make them for however there are times when its is really good if few bucks are dropped in. Making a model and testing it does consume not only time but other resources.

I am building Su-27 pit since a year now have reached only 20% of it and don't know when I will get it done. You can't imagine how much time it takes.

Regards,

CombatAce

 

I personally think it is improtant to differentiate between the different kinds of content that would have to be payed for. You mention big projects like whole cockpit replacements. HungaroJet asked for single exterior models. I would sure like to buy stuff like improved 3rd party pits if ED isnt´going to do it and I would even pay 15 or 20 $ for such a product if it is of appropriate quality (or a pack adding new vehicles/planes, improving existing ones etc.). The only thing I don´t like is the business model that Behthesda went for with their plug-ins for Oblivion when they started selling the infamous horse armor. :)

[NineLine]

I personally think it is improtant to differentiate between the different kinds of content that would have to be payed for. You mention big projects like whole cockpit replacements. HungaroJet asked for single exterior models. I would sure like to buy stuff like improved 3rd party pits if ED isnt´going to do it and I would even pay 15 or 20 $ for such a product if it is of appropriate quality (or a pack adding new vehicles/planes, improving existing ones etc.). The only thing I don´t like is the business model that Behthesda went for with their plug-ins for Oblivion when they started selling the infamous horse armor. :)

 

There is no real price point set yet, we only have an idea what 3rd Parties will charge for scratch build from the ground up planes, I think once we get a better idea of what they charge then you can decide what is a far charge, or donation request for different levels under that.

 

By no means are any of my comments downplaying the effort it goes into creating a high quality model, even just the shell is hours of work, I know I am working through it myself, and as a low experience person I know the effort is great.

[rjetster1]

For instance, when Nevada is released, it would be great to have the HH-60G Pave Hawk AI model which is assigned to Nellis. There are also 737’s that fly in and out of Area 51. Plus you have McCarran International (LAS) A nice bundle of (Military/Civilian/passenger) aircraft would be great as well… sell them as a bundle.

 

-Rick

[neroroxxx]

I would pay for a package, say $19.99 for an AI package, something that would include multiple models that would be an upgrade from what ED already has in-game,

 

I saw that NEWS3D has an ITALY mod that adds new models and makes some flyable, it looks really nice, I would pay for something like this even if it doesn't make them flyable, just upgraded graphics and skins and so on.

 

 

That's just me.

[upupandaway]

There is no real price point set yet, we only have an idea what 3rd Parties will charge for scratch build from the ground up planes, I think once we get a better idea of what they charge then you can decide what is a far charge, or donation request for different levels under that.

 

By no means are any of my comments downplaying the effort it goes into creating a high quality model, even just the shell is hours of work, I know I am working through it myself, and as a low experience person I know the effort is great.

 

It´s not really about a specific price. You are right, there´s no direct reference yet. I just wanted to argue that I don´t like what Bethesda did with their game after release.

[Darkwolf]

Selling AI addons is not possible, due to MP issue that it will cause. However getting more AI would really be nice, I would gladly exchange my balls against some more content in DCSW.

 

I think i would gladly donate for more AI stuff, as soon as it's properly integrated in the software by ED themselve.

 

I'm not too font of 3D/Texture modification as it can involve cheating- such as texture modification (shooting down a pink target in a dogfight, on an oversized 3d model is much more easy than a properly colored one). Imo, 3D models and textures should be properly locked within DCSW, and ED should be the only one able to insert any texture or whatsoever.

Edited December 10, 2012 by Darkwolf
Always posting stuff full of orthographic fault...

[GeorgeLKMT]

Imo, 3D models and textures should be properly locked within DCSW, and ED should be the only one able to insert any texture or whatsoever.

 

Yeah, only problem is the games "locked" like that usually die after few years or with release of its sequel. :doh: What keeping games like MSFS, Xplane, ArmA etc. alive is community customizable content. These games are alive even when the developers are sleeping or fully abandon it.

[Shein]

I voted "Yes ! Even/moreover if it is a completly new model (SR-71, RAH-66 etc.)"

Simply because they mentioned the Comanche.

I'm kind of obsessed

(see my avatar)

[Suchacz]

I know many people who are making fancy screenshots and videos and they are looking for every new model available.

...but for me, every model is not bigger than few pixels on the shkval screen. If it's bigger, than I will be probably dead in few seconds ;)

Edited December 10, 2012 by Suchacz

[BrumTx]

Timewise for the game we need the SR-71 and U-2

[john_X]

this is why i didn't release any of my models till now. nobody wants to pay for a good 3d model. well then, you guys deserve to wait for ED to work their entire fleet, no matter how long it'd take... i'm a little suspicious that ED would ever agree to let us sell our models. for this, an important factor in sustaining us(me, combatace, hungarojet, tomcatz and many others) would be the market. it seems the market doesn't care about us as many of your answers are "No, no cent for good 3D models". it's a shame to happen like this, as many of you do pay for the new modules. i sincerely announce you that my future 3d models are not for free and the price will be somewhere around 100 euros(only the external shape), and 150(plus the cockpit).

[karambiatos]

this is why i didn't release any of my models till now. nobody wants to pay for a good 3d model. well then, you guys deserve to wait for ED to work their entire fleet, no matter how long it'd take... i'm a little suspicious that ED would ever agree to let us sell our models. for this, an important factor in sustaining us(me, combatace, hungarojet, tomcatz and many others) would be the market. it seems the market doesn't care about us as many of your answers are "No, no cent for good 3D models". it's a shame to happen like this, as many of you do pay for the new modules. i sincerely announce you that my future 3d models are not for free and the price will be somewhere around 100 euros(only the external shape), and 150(plus the cockpit).

 

well id pay for new models on the flyables if they were cheap($10-15), but the non flyables i dont care, because the closest i see them from is 2km away

[SkateZilla]

i personally will pass on paying, as I can make my own models. and since they are AI only they dont need 400+ animations that the A-10C has.

[upupandaway]

this is why i didn't release any of my models till now. nobody wants to pay for a good 3d model. well then, you guys deserve to wait for ED to work their entire fleet, no matter how long it'd take... i'm a little suspicious that ED would ever agree to let us sell our models. for this, an important factor in sustaining us(me, combatace, hungarojet, tomcatz and many others) would be the market. it seems the market doesn't care about us as many of your answers are "No, no cent for good 3D models". it's a shame to happen like this, as many of you do pay for the new modules. i sincerely announce you that my future 3d models are not for free and the price will be somewhere around 100 euros(only the external shape), and 150(plus the cockpit).

 

No offense, but isn´t this overreacting a little? You are saying this based on a poll that represents only a fraction of the users on this forum.

[combatace]

And believe me a fraction of those fraction of those fraction is a lot more then people who actually donated any where to who ever.

[Alfa]

i sincerely announce you that my future 3d models are not for free and the price will be somewhere around 100 euros(only the external shape), and 150(plus the cockpit).

 

LOL.....100 euros.

 

Good luck trying to charge 3 times the amount of the whole game for a single aircraft model. I also find it amusing that you apparently feel that the extra price for a virtual cockpit should only be half that of the external model, which makes me suspect that you haven't done any cockpit modelling at all.

[pepin1234]

Good idea. Waiting for a good 3D model for the Russian Ships.

[BrumTx]

Not a sarcastic comment but .... All I remember from Johnx was an F-16 mod that had more problems than anything and basically did'nt work properly, as for all the "other" mods he's promised it must be about 2 or 3 years and nothing has ever come of them.

 

A 100 - 150 Euro add-on ..... Don't think so not even from ED

 

And the arrogant audacity he has to compare himself to some of the GREAT names of modding (combatace, hungarojet, tomcatz etc) has to be one of the funniest jokes I've heard in a couple of years

 

Does the saying "In your dreams mean anything ?"

 

AI Units I'd like to see

 

Aircraft: U-2, SR-71, EC / RC - 135 (ANY VERSION), C-141, some COD aircraft, something similar to ADA 2 mod with civil aircraft

(B737, B720,Etc).All listed aircraft are of the "Time period" of the game

Ground vehicles: Anything and everything

 

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Edited December 12, 2012 by BrumTx

[Moa]

LOL.....100 euros.

 

Good luck trying to charge 3 times the amount of the whole game for a single aircraft model. I also find it amusing that you apparently feel that the extra price for a virtual cockpit should only be half that of the external model, which makes me suspect that you haven't done any cockpit modelling at all.

 

john_X's price of $100 euros is staggeringly *cheap* for the amount of work that goes in to accurate models. Please go and have a look at Turbosquid (http://www.turbosquid.com/index.cfm) and then come back and we can discuss further. The high-quality aircraft models there run between $US 300 and $US 1399. You can get some bargins for less, but the good stuff starts at the amount john_x quotes.

 

I've been licensing models from Turbosquid and the good models are much more expensive than perhaps you imagine - although still cheaper than it probably costs ED to develop exclusive high-quality models from scratch (some of the cost of which they might recover by licensing to others, which is some of the point of this thread, no?).

 

The economics of Turbosquid are this. It takes a long time (and time is money) to develop a model. However, if many users buy the model then the cost of development + profit (eg. required to make the next model), is amortized over several (hopefully many) paying customers.

 

 

@john_X: have you ever considered licensing your models though Turbosquid ? (if you already do, then I didn't notice, sorry). If you don't then perhaps you could consider it - hopefully it would get you more sales/money for your hard work.

 

Some aircraft are cheap from there. I got the following F-16C Block 52 model for $60 (which I then had to hack up and animate in the way I wanted; then run through OpenGL shaders I'm developing - this is rendered by me through my own code, not a 3D package):

 

So I hope you now understand that the 100-150 Euro price for a model is very normal for a non-exclusive license, in fact, is is great value.

 

Edit: I should mention that the Turbosquid license permits re-distribution of the model in a product (provided the format used is proprietary; presumably so further sales of the original author are not affected). You are not paying for a model license just for your own use, hence the cost is higher than a game module where you are only a user.

 

I'd happily pay $US 400 for a non-exclusive license for new cockpits (meaning you can sell them to everyone else too). I'm looking for MiG-29C and K; F-16C and F/A-18E&F (would like to buy otherwise I have to do them myself, and I prefer to write code). They're only interesting to me if I also got a license to re-distribute in my OpenGL code (as Turbosquid does).

Edited December 12, 2012 by Moa
Fixed some typos - since I'm a muppet