Would you want/ allow flyable civilian aircraft in DCS

[Nirvi]

i wont... the world is far too small for that... when you reach service ceiling you have to head back for the ground... in fsx you find guys that say goodbye to their wifes on friday evening and then do a flight hongkong and back on realtime... show me a server that doesnt crash for this long time ;-)

 

and you would have to rename dcs to dfs (digital flight simulator) or something like this:smartass:

The development of these aircrafts will take at least a year or two, I'm optimistic we'll have more terrain and dedicated servers when the first civil aircrafts will arrive :D

[pepin1234]

Yes, but only the models that have some connection with the military

[TimeKilla]

Sure, Am fighting against my own logic but I think that's what the 3rd party's are here for not sure if any of them will make a civi model.

 

I know there is going to be a slick Huey at release.

 

Nicky

[Hawk_5]

I think the real point is using the DCS engine for all kinds of aircraft. Scenarios that get flown don't always have to have a military theme and with EDGE and hopefully some larger landscapes it only expands what we can achieve using this system. We could then use DCS for any kind of scenario instead of loading FSX or XPlane to get your civi aviation fix.

 

Whats more you could mix up it up with civi and military types and have all the explosions, bombs and rockets with AFM's going on something which no sim does well at the moment.

[Skitter]

KC-10 would be great, with missions to supply fuel.

...or C-130. AC-130 Spectre would be awesome.

[Backy 51]

I agree. Flyable KC-135 and KC-10 is essential. The next big thing for Combined Arms should be On Call Airdrop. Model CDS, HE, and PERS airdrop for the existing AI C-130, C-17, AN-26 and IL-76. Combat Airdrop would be great fun!

[metheluckydonut]

I think a Cessna 152 or similar could be alot of fun. I mean there even is an aerobatics version. :)

[Mnemonic]

Actually DCS Discus would be sweet!

 

 

Would be in-line with current DCS products, take a look:

- DCS modern Russian copter

- DCS very modern US attack jet

- DCS WW2 prop fighter

- DCS old Vietnam chopper

...

so DCS glider will look totally fine! :smartass:

 

P.S. And I guarantee you that there are many more gliders flying in Caucasus mountains, than Mustangs in real life

Edited June 22, 2013 by Mnemonic

[Scoggs]

I say yes because the more the merrier...

 

But start with military aircraft first.

[Konrad Friedrich]

Well, I'd be happy getting a Su-26 or a Extra-300 aerobatic plane.

Not exactly civilian, but at least civilian sports planes.

Would be fun to be able to do real aerobatics :pilotfly:

 

And yep - a glider, Mnemonic. That would be great!

[justoc]

I say yes because the more the merrier...

 

But start with military aircraft first.

 

All of them?

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

well i would love to have civilian aircraft in the dcs environment as well...dcs seems to have the best flight model by far in comparison to all other sims i know.

just yesterday i bought the da 20 katana for fsx, as this plane is the first type i have RL experience in(just getting my PPL)

and all i can say is that FSX flight model really really sucks.its so bad that its not even fun to fly around.especially landings really feel weird.

so yeah, from me a +1 for civilian planes on DCS level!

[Rotorhead]

When somebody decides to make purely civilian aircraft like Cessna or Airbus for DCS, I would definitely let them. DCS is currently the best simulation gaming platform IMO, and having civilian planes simulated on this level would be a blast. To succeed in this goal, however, DCS would have to improve things like ATC and weather at least to the level of other civilian sims. Oh and of course bigger, bigger maps. I hope it's all coming.

 

But what I really dream of for long time now (and I have expressed it in another thread already), is civilian SAR chopper in DCS. Give me a proper map and missions with it, and I wish nothing more. And, SAR around the world is often flown by military operators, like these examples:

 

 

 

 

This way, both sides would be happy. These birds can not only fly civilian missions, but will satisfy even those who don't want purely civilian modules in DCS. UH-1 and upcoming Mi-8 from Belsimtek are both great steps towards it IMO.

 

Oh and as it was already suggested, civilian coalition alongside with blue and red would be nice. So you finally have to think before blasting everything that pops up on the radar. ;)

[fangav]

Here is my 2 cents worth.

If I had the know how as a developer , My first plane would be a Cessna 172/150, and or similar low wing aircraft. The kind most people learn to fly in the real world.

Once word got out nearly all flying schools and clubs would set at least one computer up with it to use as a teaching aid.

How many would that be?, Thousands.

They'd be excellent for learning visual referencing, Pattern practice, IFR training. Just about everything you can think of minus ATC, and that might come.

And that would bring a lot of new ppl into our Virtual world.

[Subliminal-SS]

Here is my 2 cents worth.

If I had the know how as a developer , My first plane would be a Cessna 172/150, and or similar low wing aircraft. The kind most people learn to fly in the real world.

Once word got out nearly all flying schools and clubs would set at least one computer up with it to use as a teaching aid.

How many would that be?, Thousands.

They'd be excellent for learning visual referencing, Pattern practice, IFR training. Just about everything you can think of minus ATC, and that might come.

And that would bring a lot of new ppl into our Virtual world.

 

Seconded and was my first though on reading the thread. Simple avionics etc. Would be a great addition IMHO. Flight instructor could easily play ATC and give a complete sim exp for a fraction of the cost of real lessons.

[Konrad Friedrich]

Here is my 2 cents worth.

If I had the know how as a developer , My first plane would be a Cessna 172/150, and or similar low wing aircraft. The kind most people learn to fly in the real world.

Once word got out nearly all flying schools and clubs would set at least one computer up with it to use as a teaching aid.

How many would that be?, Thousands.

They'd be excellent for learning visual referencing, Pattern practice, IFR training. Just about everything you can think of minus ATC, and that might come.

And that would bring a lot of new ppl into our Virtual world.

 

Some seriously good thoughts, Fangav.

A Cessna by DCS would certainly drive attention of all the student pilots world wide. :thumbup:

That would be a great opportunity for ED. The more people supporting ED - the better for us customers as well.

Really good thought.

Edited June 23, 2013 by Konrad Friedrich

[TimeKilla]

I really think this would make some more money for ED on the side, There's no other flight sim out the box that can do civil flight and combat, ED is already reworking ATC and with the Huey getting a slick version at release there is at least some demand for it. Like another poster said that could open the simulator up to being used on civil flight systems as a trainer many many years in the future if someone else does not do it before hand, I can see one area that's holding it back is lack of 3rd party dev's doing civil aircraft and the fact unlike FSX it cant render the whole world.

 

When you think hard about this aspect DCS have done great in the combat field now if they want they could open up a little more to the civil field and if the devs come great! Problems can be worked out and resolved. Anyway looking forward to seeing what happens in this field with the big list of combat aircraft that ED and the 3rd Party Devs are making its definitely not going to be on the top of the priority list so for now combat it will stay.

 

Combat it still stay for the foreseeable future.

Edited June 23, 2013 by TimeKilla
Rethought out.

[Vivoune]

Big yes here. I'd still favor military aircraft I think, but in terms of integration into DCS I think some civil (or unarmed/logistic) aircraft could be a lot of fun and provide a wide variety of missions and scenarios in both sp and mp that could benefit one another rather easily.

 

-Player Air Transport (Civil) most likely needs an escort of a few fighters (Military) while it's a nice target for the other team.

-Player air refueling

-Ejected pilot recovery

etc

 

Still I don't see it as something that is really needed considering there are other things that needs work/updating before throwing in the DCS world that much more content, as awesome as it would be. IMO.

[Suchacz]

What is a definition of the term "civilian aircraft"? You mean an aircraft carrying no arnament?

 

So unarmed military Huey is a civilian aircraft or not? :huh:

[galevsky06]

...I think some civil (or unarmed/logistic) aircraft could be a lot of fun...

 

-Player Air Transport (Civil) most likely needs an escort of a few fighters (Military) while it's a nice target for the other team.

-Player air refueling

-Ejected pilot recovery

etc

We already do that. Just put no weapon below any planes' wings.

 

Still I don't see it as something that is really needed considering there are other things that needs work/updating before throwing in the DCS world that much more content, as awesome as it would be. IMO.

I agree. Only if ED gets bored. And all of us know that it won't happen for next decades. :smoke:
Edited June 28, 2013 by galevsky06

[LNR212]

Some seriously good thoughts, Fangav.

A Cessna by DCS would certainly drive attention of all the student pilots world wide. :thumbup:

That would be a great opportunity for ED. The more people supporting ED - the better for us customers as well.

Really good thought.

 

yeah, great thoughts...

 

why not at least a cessna L-19 Bird Dog, or similar...

 

 

 

 

(or maybe someone would build me a cessna caravan ^^)

Edited June 28, 2013 by LNR212

[Arclight131]

I'd really really REALLY like to sort sort of Acrobatics aircraft, something like an Extra 300 or Zivko Edge 540

[geloxo]

Yes provided that navigation and atc options are extended in accordance to make sense to fly them

[Mouse]

I'm not sure "do you want (to allow) civilian aircraft?" is really the right question to ask. I think it would be wiser to consider DCS as a flight and military simulation product and ask what can be done to make it into a better product.

 

Right now we have a market that is divided between products which simulate a combat environment (DCS World, the IL-2 series, Rise of Flight, Falcon) and products that simulate a civilian air traffic environment without any serious consideration for military simulation (FSX, X-Plane).

 

If any of these simulations were able to bridge that gap, I think it would absolutely be a better product than the rest and would have my undivided attention for it. DCS and X-Plane are probably in the best market position to do that. I don't mean to discount the excellent work done by the FSX community, but DCS and X-Plane are both are being actively developed by their original developers with full access to the engine's source code and technical specifications. As far as I'm aware, the Flight Simulator franchise has been completely abandoned by Microsoft after the monstrous abortion that was Microsoft Flight.

 

I think the better question to ask is whether or not ED should focus its precious development assets (time, money, talent) on broadening the scope of the DCS environment or not, because there is an opportunity cost to everything. My personal feeling is that it's something they should consider down the line, but first I would like to have a well-rounded stable of aircraft (high fidelity fighters for both red and blue, high fidelity ground attack aircraft for both red and blue) and a stronger ground combat environment (an AI that responds believably to cover and concealment), and a new terrain engine (which is especially necessary if DCS is ever going to try and broaden its scope).

 

But my most immediate DCS wish is to be able to fly two-seat aircraft together with someone else; this is the primary reason I have not purchased the Huey.

[msalama]

I'm just curious would a high fidelity civilian aircraft be ok by this group?

 

HELL yes. Would need more / larger maps and better navaids as well though.