Second World War Era Aircraft Wish List

[pepin1234]

I have heard actual testing data is hard to come for Russian planes from that era.

 

why hard??

[NineLine]

why hard??

 

 

I have not searched myself, but I heard that much of the data from testing and development did not survive the years since WWII.

[PLAAF]

I have not searched myself, but I heard that much of the data from testing and development did not survive the years since WWII.

 

But the Lavochikin company is still there. We can just go there and ask, :) and say "Please~!":smartass::P

I am sure they wouldn't hesitate to give to us since is old tech.

 

By the way, I do however have got the manual for the La-5 somewhere. Let me try and find it.

[NineLine]

But the Lavochikin company is still there. We can just go there and ask, :) and say "Please~!":smartass::P

I am sure they wouldn't hesitate to give to us since is old tech.

 

By the way, I do however have got the manual for the La-5 somewhere. Let me try and find it.

 

 

The manual is cool and all, but they dont build DCS planes around the flight manual, they look for full scale wind tunnel testing, flight testing, etc. You could email the Lavochikin and see if they have archives they are willing to share :)

 

Like I said, I havent searched, so I dont know myself what is out there.

 

Russia purchased a number of P-39's and P-63's from the US during that time, and I have seen info on those planes in my travels ;)

 

Edited March 28, 2013 by NineLine

[EtherealN]

But the Lavochikin company is still there. We can just go there and ask, :) and say "Please~!":smartass::P

I am sure they wouldn't hesitate to give to us since is old tech.

 

By the way, I do however have got the manual for the La-5 somewhere. Let me try and find it.

 

Don't assume THEY still have it? :P

 

I doubt Soviet administration in the period 1950 to 1990 considered future needs of computer game programmers when they decided what documentation was worth keeping? Remember, this is before computerised archives, where you have big buildings full of documents and people that keep track of them. (A childhood friend of mine is an archivist, and there is a LOT more than you might think that goes into managing archives and making sure the documents themselves survive. Putting them in a drawer is not enough - you even need to make sure you allow for the types of paper and types of ink on the documents when you set your long-term storage facility's atmospherics...)

 

Think of it like this: when P-51D development was going on, I was trying to find tactical manuals and tuition guidance documents from our airforce that was used in pilot training. It no longer exists. No-one felt it was worth keeping when we got jet planes...

[pepin1234]

Yes, maybe is difficult make a DCS level like the mustang, is the real situation with those birds. Anyway if ED do not the first step, maybe nobody come and bring us more information. They can do the same job made with the Su-25T FM?? Also there are museums with La-7 units, books, manuals and some documentation and if there are some information about the design and construction of the LA-7 by Lavochkin buro

[NineLine]

Yes, maybe is difficult make a DCS level like the mustang, is the real situation with those birds. Anyway if ED do not the first step, maybe nobody come and bring us more information. They can do the same job made with the Su-25T FM?? Also there are museums with La-7 units, books, manuals and some documentation and if there are some information about the design and construction of the LA-7 by Lavochkin buro

 

I'm not saying it isnt out there, I've just heard that people have not found much, ED being in Russia makes me think that maybe this is the case. That said, if you like this plane, start looking for documentation. I am sure Yo-Yo wouldnt turn down any information you might collect. Doesnt mean the plane will get made, but it might help it along. Realize too that even if you find a location that has documentation, depending on how its stored, you may have to be there in person to get it, or hire a professional researcher to do so.

[pepin1234]

I dont live in Moscow, but if I am there, ones of my hobbies could be search info for my little projects and also help ED, but I am not there.

[Kwiatek]

No no more LA7. Il2 casue i dont want any La for another 10 years.

 

Bf 109, P-47, Spitfire yes but no more La7

 

I would like to see Bf109 G after Fw 190.

[PLAAF]

Don't assume THEY still have it? :P

 

I doubt Soviet administration in the period 1950 to 1990 considered future needs of computer game programmers when they decided what documentation was worth keeping? Remember, this is before computerised archives, where you have big buildings full of documents and people that keep track of them. (A childhood friend of mine is an archivist, and there is a LOT more than you might think that goes into managing archives and making sure the documents themselves survive. Putting them in a drawer is not enough - you even need to make sure you allow for the types of paper and types of ink on the documents when you set your long-term storage facility's atmospherics...)

 

Think of it like this: when P-51D development was going on, I was trying to find tactical manuals and tuition guidance documents from our airforce that was used in pilot training. It no longer exists. No-one felt it was worth keeping when we got jet planes...

 

 

OK, I got it. Uploaded here:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=1712448#post1712448

[1984]

OK, I got it. Uploaded here:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=1712448#post1712448

 

yes, EtherealN are right - this is not manual, it's just not bad book about la-7, even not best... in fact, at this moment about exactly la-7 we have - one "technical description of la-7" (approved in end'44), several manuals for ash-82fn, only several useful books/interesting articles from magazines, several pieces of information from documents in some sources/compilations/sites, well, and it's all what i can remember now (in addition to planes from museum)... all this not really enough even for more simple games like old il-2 or clod or bos... yes, very sadly, but it's russian reality, alhough, of course, lot of information have in archives, but... oh... it's could be very hard and long, even with friends here or in archives of plants/regions which produced these planes... lot of time + good friends + lot of patience + money etc it's what need for you, and it's why all times when i reading "give me more docs", this really make me laugh... although, if you lucky, it's could be much more easy, but not very easy... and main information really just could be lost...

 

well, it's only my opinion of ordinary man, but it's what i understood after lot of hours of researching for fun, can remember now and in end it's mainly confirmed by Yo-Yo in russian part of forum, and here...

 

another reason, why we could have problems with modelling of ww2 soviet planes - it's specific of wood-design, just sometimes ersatz or war-design, production in ussr etc etc etc...

 

yak-1b... la-5f... yak-9t/k... lagg-3 of "66 serie"... etc... who really buy this, except some russians and other real lovers of aviation (if we forgot about documents at this moment)?

 

yak-9m (how thinks many peoples, M it's most combat-ready soviet fighter'44 with not bad performance), but again, who really buy these planes? even with vk-105pf2, moreover, i think, no absolutely correct info about these planes and changes...

 

i have doubts even about la-5fn, alhough, late planes with metal longerons (expected mass - 3175 instead 3295 kg) and good quality, maybe, and with vish-105v4 (+ around 5 kph at sl) could be very good and interesting (with "manual control" in compare with kommandogerat etc) ... but this heat in cockpit (teoretically, not so seriously at combat/nominal power and can be solved by some settings of canopy) and these p-51 and d-9 as opponents... and need docs... hmmm...

 

la-7, yak-3 or yak-9 after solving of main problems - moreover, yak-3 was very specific plane, all know this - for 44-45 still new constructions like yaks, la-5 and lagg-3 in 41-43, had many little problems, defects, various quality etc what sometimes really need to do instead time for FM/DM etc... i'm not mean all these myths/mistakes/legends, sometimes mainly it's problems only of ground crews etc, and planes were really good (and at least, good-looking, if you have good taste), but it's like alcohol without hangover... and which series of planes we want...? with which equipment? perfomance? etc... ie in fact could be mainly "collective image" of plane, although, it's enough too and i just try to write full picture, plus, of course problems/defects it's characteristic for any planes of any country, to one degree or another (it's about fw 190 d-9 too, how 44-45 plane, if i'm not mistaken)...

 

well, i think, highly unlikely what we will see these birds in foreseeable future and by some other reasons, sometimes, personal (although, demand gives rise to offer...:))...

 

so, if we really want soviet plane with piston engine, maybe, better something like la-9/11 - all-metal fighter with ash-82fn (after solving of main problems), good equipment, very powerful weapon and just good performance - for historical and semi-historical missions...

 

but, could be problem with references again, in addition to what some peoples wants, so, most likely we again will see something like all these 109/spit/p-47 etc...

 

Anyway if ED do not the first step, maybe nobody come and bring us more information.

 

well said... for example, personally i'm interested in BOS mainly because 1CGS could find new information... but, for DCS need much more, including desire of developers, time, money and peoples who buy this big job, so... well, just my simple calculations...

 

 

PS all this only my personal opinion, i can mistaken sometimes and sorry for my strange english...:D

[1984]

generally speaking, i agree what as next plane really could be good plane with merlin ie spitfire 9 (including +25 lbs boost, moreover, ussr too recieved several types of 9, p-47 including d-27-re, and lot of p-63а/с)...

 

and during this time, maybe, can be found good materials for soviet fighters (even i know several contacts and good specialists, exactly about la fighters too, and what here can say about professional developers of advanced sims ie serious peoples with serious plans?)...

 

and by the way, here, for fun, where and how were found several pieces of TO of yak-7...;)

[O_Smiladon]

Second World War Era Aircraft Wish List

 

Good day gents,

First off I love DCS and all it has to offer.

I Love WWI , WWII , And Jets so I don’t have a real fav as long as I am flying I don’t care what its in as long as I can shoot with it . I am all good.

And now that FW-190D is almost ready .

My question to you all is what next for the WW2 classic fighter edition.

I would love to see a big heavy bomber such as the B17 then that would make the FW190 and the P51D scenarios complete.

And what a sight it would be to see a big formation of bombers escorted by P51’s

Then of to our six a formation of FW190’s coming out of the sun and attacking the big formation and our little friends in the P51’s jump into action and help defend the bomber formation that must get through. Man my mouth watering at the prospect of having something like this in DCS world..

O_Smiladon

[Ich666]

We need a Bf-109!

[O_Smiladon]

Hi Ich666,

 

Yes a BF109 is very cool and that is a very iconic WW2 aircraft,

 

I just feel that with a bomber you could set a up a lot more mission

Scenario, with the allied fighter, German Fighter , Allied Bomber .

Rather then Allied fighter, and German fighter, German fighter scenario

Thanks

O_Smiladon

[DayGlow]

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=109847

[Jean Lannes]

After the B-17, the good old P-38 Lightning!!!

[IonicRipper]

How about a heavy bomber such as the Flying Fortress?

 

Just imagine B-17s escorted by Mustangs while FW-190s try to intercept.

 

EDIT: Sniped by Jean

[VIKBELL]

I wil take the P-38L.

[O_Smiladon]

Yes I will have the P-38 as well. and hellcat and spitefire the list can go on and on.

 

But to have a B17 in the mix will make alot of scenc with the P51 and FW190.

 

Ok here is another question for you all.

 

Given what we have the P51D and The FW-190 what other WWII aircraft would you like to see to complement these two and what aircraft would make the mission builders job a dream to do.

 

I still say B17 all the way.. But you guys might have some other ideas?

 

And lets here your reasoning behind you decision don’t just say aircraft XX lets hear why as well.

 

O_Smiladon

[SkyJousler]

When is this plane suppose to come out?

[O_Smiladon]

When is this plane suppose to come out?

 

Yeterday I wish.. :music_whistling:

 

Its not due at all. This is more a wishwidh list thread..but if you say B17 i will give you a donut:thumbup:

 

O_Smiladon

[159th_Falcon]

Avro Lancaster ofcourse.

 

Anyone wanna go damn busting?:joystick:

 

[Mandrake5]

Hawker Tempest = dual role domination.

[[DBS]TH0R]

Hawker Tempest = dual role domination.

 

Seconded. Plus a nice roundup with the P-51D & Fw-190D9.