Goblin Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 Do you realize that every time you de-classify a document like this and make it available you are delaying the release of the Viggen module? ;) Sacrifices has to be made, at the altar of realism... ;)
microvax Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 Do you realize that every time you de-classify a document like this and make it available you are delaying the release of the Viggen module? ;) Honestly I am happy waiting another 6 months instead of post release rework apocalypse. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] *unexpected flight behaviour* Oh shiii*** ! What ? Why ? What is happening ?
renhanxue Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 (edited) Do you realize that every time you de-classify a document like this and make it available you are delaying the release of the Viggen module? ;) I'm done now though, I think I got all the SFI's for the AJ(S) 37 that are actually in the national archives library declassified. so, two weeks? Edited September 20, 2016 by renhanxue
TomCatMucDe Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 Honestly I am happy waiting another 6 months instead of post release rework apocalypse. You are alone to want to wait 6 months :p
probad Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 he's not alone the f-5 launch demonstrated it's really better to hold off and release a more polished product.
Rangi Posted September 21, 2016 Posted September 21, 2016 I am lonely, but never alone and neither is microvax. I want it too be great, not fast. I had to google ":p", but still not sure what it means in this context? 1 PC: 6600K @ 4.5 GHz, 12GB RAM, GTX 970, 32" 2K monitor.
das Rindvieh Posted September 21, 2016 Posted September 21, 2016 he's not alone the f-5 launch demonstrated it's really better to hold off and release a more polished product. But the F-5 is "Early-Access"... So, no one has to complain about the bugs, nor an unpolished product. People should know, what they are buying.
foxmaner Posted September 21, 2016 Posted September 21, 2016 First People complain about viggen not being released and they want a early access. And then they complain about early access products not being complete... Skickat från min SM-A310F via Tapatalk 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
JaNk0 Posted September 21, 2016 Posted September 21, 2016 First People complain about viggen not being released and they want a early access. And then they complain about early access products not being complete... Skickat från min SM-A310F via Tapatalk It's the "I eat because I'm sad, I'm sad because I eat" -logic. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
microvax Posted September 21, 2016 Posted September 21, 2016 LNS isnt going for early access but for direct release as they said to minimize resources needed for post release reworks. So yeah happy to wait until its ready ! :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] *unexpected flight behaviour* Oh shiii*** ! What ? Why ? What is happening ?
MikeMikeJuliet Posted September 21, 2016 Posted September 21, 2016 As the saying goes: Fast, cheap, good; choose 2. And software developement in general shows us, that if a product is rusheds it's rarely, if ever working properly and feature-complete. If you release early/ in time and it sucks, in peoples mind it sucks. If you delay and deliver a proper working product, they will forget the whole delay after they get their hands on it. DCS Finland | SF squadron
Pocket Sized Posted September 21, 2016 Posted September 21, 2016 DCS modules are built up to a spec, not down to a schedule. In order to utilize a system to your advantage, you must know how it works.
Rlaxoxo Posted September 22, 2016 Posted September 22, 2016 As the saying goes: Fast, cheap, good; choose 2. And software developement in general shows us, that if a product is rusheds it's rarely, if ever working properly and feature-complete. If you release early/ in time and it sucks, in peoples mind it sucks. If you delay and deliver a proper working product, they will forget the whole delay after they get their hands on it. Idd, People want it NOW and if they get it and it's shit they start complaining ... It would be great not to go on long Hypetrains if possible for this reason [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Youtube Reddit
probad Posted September 22, 2016 Posted September 22, 2016 It would be great not to go on long Hypetrains if possible for this reason that's exactly why ln never intended the viggen to be revealed
fdswer Posted September 22, 2016 Posted September 22, 2016 First People complain about viggen not being released and they want a early access. And then they complain about early access products not being complete... Skickat från min SM-A310F via Tapatalk It happened with the M2000c release, people begging for it to some out early and when it did a lot of the same people were complaining about about bugs and missing features. Razbam was more then honest about what early access was going to have but lots of people still didn't listen and bought it anyways.
Paradox Posted September 22, 2016 Posted September 22, 2016 It happened with the M2000c release, people begging for it to some out early and when it did a lot of the same people were complaining about about bugs and missing features. Razbam was more then honest about what early access was going to have but lots of people still didn't listen and bought it anyways. In the case of the M2000C though the core module was still quite good on initial "release" It's hard to know where to draw that line I suppose
scaflight Posted September 23, 2016 Posted September 23, 2016 It happened with the M2000c release, people begging for it to some out early and when it did a lot of the same people were complaining about about bugs and missing features. Razbam was more then honest about what early access was going to have but lots of people still didn't listen and bought it anyways. "a lot of the same people" citation needed. ;) 1
westr Posted September 23, 2016 Posted September 23, 2016 It's quite simple really. People just need to have patience. And most do to be fair. 1 RYZEN 7 3700X Running at 4.35 GHz NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080Ti 32gb DDR4 RAM @3200 MHz Oculus CV1 NvME 970 EVO TM Warthog Stick & Throttle plus 11" extension. VKB T-Rudder MKIV
microvax Posted September 23, 2016 Posted September 23, 2016 It's quite simple really. People just need to have patience. And most do to be fair. Couldn't agree more .... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] *unexpected flight behaviour* Oh shiii*** ! What ? Why ? What is happening ?
Kev2go Posted September 23, 2016 Posted September 23, 2016 In the case of the M2000C though the core module was still quite good on initial "release" It's hard to know where to draw that line I suppose Yeah it was pretty decent. It was a very nice Christmas surprise. Certainly better than veos hawk t1trainer. That was a pretty lackluster release and it wasn't fixed since last time I tried it 2 months ago ( haven't taken a look in a while so don't know what changes have been made) Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD
Tirak Posted September 24, 2016 Posted September 24, 2016 that's exactly why ln never intended the viggen to be revealed I'm getting a little tired of this revisionist history where LN did nothing wrong and the ravenous community saw meaning in innocent comments. Cobra started hyping the Viggen the day they announced the Tomcat. From that moment onwards, he systematically dropped hints in his news threads about the two "Mystery Modules", in his forum posts, dropping hints in his avatar and having folks like rudel post zoomed in pictures of parts of their new modules. He teased and prodded the community to build interest all the way back then. If he didn't want the community to get hyped for the module, he would have pulled a BST and said absolutely nothing. He miscalculated how long this would drag on. The Steam Leak only confirmed what we were being hinted at, but the two "Mystery Modules" were official and out there to tease the community for months before that happened.
Cobra847 Posted September 24, 2016 Posted September 24, 2016 I'm getting a little tired of this revisionist history where LN did nothing wrong and the ravenous community saw meaning in innocent comments. Cobra started hyping the Viggen the day they announced the Tomcat. From that moment onwards, he systematically dropped hints in his news threads about the two "Mystery Modules", in his forum posts, dropping hints in his avatar and having folks like rudel post zoomed in pictures of parts of their new modules. He teased and prodded the community to build interest all the way back then. If he didn't want the community to get hyped for the module, he would have pulled a BST and said absolutely nothing. He miscalculated how long this would drag on. The Steam Leak only confirmed what we were being hinted at, but the two "Mystery Modules" were official and out there to tease the community for months before that happened. This is true. Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/
Goblin Posted September 24, 2016 Posted September 24, 2016 This is true. Yeah, but still a partypoop... ;) I don't understand why people get so upset about a little hyping and trolling... It's all part of the game and good fun. Ok, another "two weeks ™". So what? I actually enjoy the pre-release buzz... It's a bit like the prelude to x-mas. :)
Paradox Posted September 24, 2016 Posted September 24, 2016 Drumming up buzz, while infuriating for Cobra and the team... probably does pay off in the end With the MiG-21 from the minute Beczl posted the first post in that thread up until the minute that it was released (which is a process that took no fewer than a hundred years) The community was BAYING for an early release even as the damn thing was remade from the ground up at least once. By the end of the saga everyone had heard of it and everyone wanted it. It was probably a net positive in the end even if, at points, it seemed like at least one member of the Leatherneck team was ready to RN-28 the entire forum until there was nothing left It was a good time for everyone.... In short, I agree with Goblin, it's all part of the DCS game. 1
frixon28 Posted September 25, 2016 Posted September 25, 2016 Drumming up buzz, while infuriating for Cobra and the team... probably does pay off in the end With the MiG-21 from the minute Beczl posted the first post in that thread up until the minute that it was released (which is a process that took no fewer than a hundred years) The community was BAYING for an early release even as the damn thing was remade from the ground up at least once. By the end of the saga everyone had heard of it and everyone wanted it. It was probably a net positive in the end even if, at points, it seemed like at least one member of the Leatherneck team was ready to RN-28 the entire forum until there was nothing left It was a good time for everyone.... In short, I agree with Goblin, it's all part of the DCS game. This comment is perfect
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