whaaw Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) holy moly this thread was going out of hands^^ from hyping to frustration to ED bashing in 30 minutes:lol: I think we schould lean back a little watch a video read this thread and be thankfull that we are all hale and hearty and have food on our tables. looking forward to fly the mirage on christmas! :pilotfly::joystick: thx Razbam for your awesome job! Edited December 18, 2015 by whaaw SFMBE
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 So, next week. Which one of you was naughty? Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
Conroy Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 holy moly this thread was going out of hands^^ from hyping to frustration to ED bashing in 30 minutes:lol: I think we schould lean back a little watch a video and be thankfull that we are all hale and hearty :) and have food on our tables. looking forward to fly the mirage on christmas! thx Razbam for your awesome job! This one is better, without music. [ame] [/ame]
Zeus67 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Would be good if you just tell us this before it gets pushed forward, because it sounds like there was zero chance of it coming out before the weekend. We have no clue how ED do things, and they don't communicate with us. If you see everyone hyping about it coming out wednesday/thursday/friday, just say 'no it's not'. Easier for everyone. But we cannot say that. As I said, it is ED's call. It was the reason why we ignored your requests for a release date. We can push for a certain date and it is ED who says yes or no based on their own internal processes. Do you think I like teasing? In fact we were/are a little scared of the frenzy created by our images, but we decided to show you how far we are in the aircraft development. My last teasers were made tongue-in-cheek because by this time we knew that we were really close to release, and yet could not tell you anything about that. Our proposed date was today. ED actually tried to accommodate us but then said that no, that certain goals must be met in order to authorize the release. So, they and us are working hard to meet those goals by this weekend so the aircraft gets released next week. Yes, we believe that the aircraft is ready but it is ED who must certify that readiness and they will do it carefully, thoroughly and as fast as they can. ED has committed to a date range, unless something serious happens the aircraft will be released sometime in that range. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea."
iLOVEwindmills Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 But we cannot say that. As I said, it is ED's call. It was the reason why we ignored your requests for a release date. We can push for a certain date and it is ED who says yes or no based on their own internal processes. Do you think I like teasing? In fact we were/are a little scared of the frenzy created by our images, but we decided to show you how far we are in the aircraft development. My last teasers were made tongue-in-cheek because by this time we knew that we were really close to release, and yet could not tell you anything about that. Our proposed date was today. ED actually tried to accommodate us but then said that no, that certain goals must be met in order to authorize the release. So, they and us are working hard to meet those goals by this weekend so the aircraft gets released next week. Yes, we believe that the aircraft is ready but it is ED who must certify that readiness and they will do it carefully, thoroughly and as fast as they can. ED has committed to a date range, unless something serious happens the aircraft will be released sometime in that range. Don't get me wrong, I'm not upset with anyone here. There's clearly an intention to communicate and keep us up to date, which I respect a lot. It's just that we have so little understanding about the workings of the release process, that the info we were getting was only feeding what now seems like unnecessary expectations. No resentment at all, but these are events all sides can learn from and I just want to point that out. So it can be avoided next time.
Cantiga Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 I don't know why people get so upset... deadline is End of December, as stated in Product announcement. Still December, Next week... still December.
Flagrum Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 You guys are funny ... First, the thread is overheating with (hyper)hype and then when all the wishfull thinking did not come true, the thread starts to spin as fast as before - just in the opposite direction. Q: ED WHY U NO RELEASE MURAGE *rage*!? A: They test the module that it, well, just work in DCS 1.5/2.0 Q: ED! Let us beta test it - that's OUR job!!!!111! A: ED probably just tests the technical aspects - that all necessary files are there and in the right place, that the module is properly recognized by DCS, etc. The fun part, finding logical bugs ... I am more than sure that they will leave us a few to find .... Q: B..bbut the module was "ready" ... they said!? A: Yep. But there are many steps between a "works on my dev system" and "auto-installs and updates with the autoupdater". Plenty of room for errors and bugs. Q: okok! But LNS and the MiG-21 ... they were not so picky then ... as the non-clickable 2.0 MiG-21 is proof of! ha! A: Yeah, that was not a First Release of a "newcomer". That was just an update - that went wrong. But anyway, would you guys be really more happy if the M2K would ... fail the same way? Q: but ... uhm ... BUT I WANT IT!!!! A: can we please close this thread? Just keep Zeus' last posing to conclude it ... :doh:
Nolan1243 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) I don't know why people get so upset... deadline is End of December, as stated in Product announcement. Still December, Next week... still December. I recollect that very product page you're siting having said "By Mid-December" when I pre-ordered. Just for clarification. The power of ninja edits. Just sayin'. :thumbup: Edited December 18, 2015 by Nolan1243 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
JG27_Arklight Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 ED probably doesn't want the release of the Mirage to interfere with the sale of the A-10C. No worries, next week will be Mirage week hopefully. :) Ark ------------------ Windows 10 Pro x64 9900K @ 5ghz Gigabyte Aorus Master Z390 32GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB CAS 14 EVGA RTX 2080 Ti Ultra XC2 256gb Samsung 869 Pro (Boot Drive) 1TB - Samsung 970 EVO Plus Seasoninc 1000w Titanium Ultra PSU 34" ASUS PG348
Valinor Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Oh well, i was going to buy it to have some fun before going away for xmas. Sadly a Wednesday release is not good enough for my plans, i guess i will make it mine later on then :P
ED Team NineLine Posted December 18, 2015 ED Team Posted December 18, 2015 ED probably doesn't want the release of the Mirage to interfere with the sale of the A-10C.) Just stop guys, the Mirage isnt out because its not ready, they wouldnt withhold a module if it was ready, dont be silly. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Cantiga Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 I recollect that very product page you're siting having said "By Mid-December" when I pre-ordered. Just for clarification. The power of ninja edits. Just sayin'. :thumbup: I'm not referring E-shop page but Product Announcement
Jansgi Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 I don't know why people get so upset... deadline is End of December, as stated in Product announcement. Still December, Next week... still December. Where does it say that? AMD Ryzen™ 5 5600X AMD Radeon™ RX 7800 XT G.Skill 64GB (4 x 16GB) Trident Z Neo DDR4 3600MHz
TomCatMucDe Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Mirage 2000 release date =TomCatMucDe;2604638][QU OTE=Zeus67;2604493]Okay Folks. I understand that you are upset with ED's "Next Week" announcement instead of a hard date. But the problem is that not even ED knows when it will be ready for release. Only that it will be some day next week. ED is not only responsible for releasing the M-2000C. They are responsible for other stuff, like updates to 1.5.2 and 2.0.0. Updates to other modules as well. And it takes time to get a release ready, specially since it involves creating/updating installers. ED will have to create new installers for 1.5.2 and 2.0.0 that include the M-2000C. And those do not get made in one hour. They take days. Specially since the installer itself is over 9 Gbytes of data. So let's cut some slack on that part. As for the testing, well they want to make sure that our aircraft pass their quality requirements. We are certain that it does, but they follow the motto "trust but verify". So they will test and see what problems will come out, and so far there are minor bugs, and if nothing major appears they will give the green light for release. It is a beta, they know it is a beta. They just want to make sure that our definition of beta and theirs is the same. I am confident that it will pass muster and that it will be released as soon as possible. I hope that it will be on Wednesday, so that you can fly that beautiful aircraft on Christmas. Fair enough :)
Elefant1301 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Wow, what did I miss ? I left this thread with 20 pages and it is 82 now, what happened ? Did someone find the meaning of life ? :megalol: Allez, encore un weekend à se preparer pour un premier vol en 2000. N'est-ce pas Georges Clemenceau qui écrivait que le meilleur moment "c'est quand on monte l'escalier" ? :smilewink:
Justificus Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Okay Folks. I understand that you are upset with ED's "Next Week" announcement instead of a hard date. But the problem is that not even ED knows when it will be ready for release. Only that it will be some day next week. ED is not only responsible for releasing the M-2000C. They are responsible for other stuff, like updates to 1.5.2 and 2.0.0. Updates to other modules as well. And it takes time to get a release ready, specially since it involves creating/updating installers. ED will have to create new installers for 1.5.2 and 2.0.0 that include the M-2000C. And those do not get made in one hour. They take days. Specially since the installer itself is over 9 Gbytes of data. So let's cut some slack on that part. As for the testing, well they want to make sure that our aircraft pass their quality requirements. We are certain that it does, but they follow the motto "trust but verify". So they will test and see what problems will come out, and so far there are minor bugs, and if nothing major appears they will give the green light for release. It is a beta, they know it is a beta. They just want to make sure that our definition of beta and theirs is the same. I am confident that it will pass muster and that it will be released as soon as possible. I hope that it will be on Wednesday, so that you can fly that beautiful aircraft on Christmas. Well said, Zeus!:thumbup: Justificus System Specs:i7 4970K @ 4.8, GTX 1080 SC, 32GB G.Skill DDR 2133,Thermaltake Level 10 Full Tower Case, Noctua NH-D15 6 Cooler, Win 10 Pro, Warthog, CH Pro Pedals, CH Throttle Quadrant, Oculus, 1 32" & 2 19" Monitors Modules Owned: A-10C I+II, Ka-50, FC3, F-86, Mig-15, Mig21, UH-1H, Mi-8, CA, P-51D, BF-109K-4, FW-190 D-9, Hawk, NTTR, M-2000C, SA342, F-5E, Spit Mk. IX, AJS-37, Normandy, WWII A.P., AV-8B, F/A-18C, L-39, Persian Gulf, Mig-19P, I-16, Super Carrier, F-16, Channel, Syria
ttaylor0024 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Where does it say that? DCS newsletter I just got said the Mirage will be out next week.... And I immediately impulse bought
jvanhoog Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Thanks Zeus for your continued communication. You people at Razbam are really great! Have a good christmas all.
Ganesh Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Okay Folks. I understand that you are upset with ED's "Next Week" announcement instead of a hard date. But the problem is that not even ED knows when it will be ready for release. Only that it will be some day next week. ED is not only responsible for releasing the M-2000C. They are responsible for other stuff, like updates to 1.5.2 and 2.0.0. Updates to other modules as well. And it takes time to get a release ready, specially since it involves creating/updating installers. ED will have to create new installers for 1.5.2 and 2.0.0 that include the M-2000C. And those do not get made in one hour. They take days. Specially since the installer itself is over 9 Gbytes of data. So let's cut some slack on that part. As for the testing, well they want to make sure that our aircraft pass their quality requirements. We are certain that it does, but they follow the motto "trust but verify". So they will test and see what problems will come out, and so far there are minor bugs, and if nothing major appears they will give the green light for release. It is a beta, they know it is a beta. They just want to make sure that our definition of beta and theirs is the same. I am confident that it will pass muster and that it will be released as soon as possible. I hope that it will be on Wednesday, so that you can fly that beautiful aircraft on Christmas. Yeah, that´s what i call wise communication Thanks Zeus regards Ganesh She: "Your orders from ED have reached a total amount of $ 1.168,94 and your hardware expenses are countless..." Me: "I can´t invest my money much better until i wait for Germanys Next Top Model": The Bo-105 PAH1A1 + Vulkan & continuous work on multithread & VR optimization! Asus Z490E - 10900k@5,3GHz - 64GB 3600 DDR4 - 4090FE - Reverb G2 - MFG Crosswinds +DamperMod - Selfmade TableMounts - Centered VirPil T-50 Base with 20cm Extension - TM Warthog & Hornet Grip - TM Throttle +SlewMod - Pimped MSFFB2 for Huey - JetSeat SE on a sawn out office Chair - PointCTRL
Capitaine_Flaime Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Zeus67 : Thank you to track this topic .... I am looking forward to trying this plane! Merry Christmas to everyone
Muppetlord Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 I don't know how it is for you guys but isn't most of us free over the winter holidays anyway? I had my last day at work just today. So the waiting wont be that bad.
willzah1313 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Anyone care to start a friendly wager on how many pages deep, based on this thread the final DCS Hornet "release date" thread will be? Ill just start will a guess of 295.... JNelson Im looking your direction...Haha stoked for the Mirage thou
King_Hrothgar Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Thanks for the update Zeus. It's a shame we couldn't have it this weekend, but I fully understand that sometimes it just isn't possible. Hopefully we can get it early next week.
Arden Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 USA! USA! USA!...I'm from USA Anyone care to start a friendly wager on how many pages deep, based on this thread the final DCS Hornet "release date" thread will be? Ill just start will a guess of 295.... JNelson Im looking your direction...Haha stoked for the Mirage thou Depends, how many socks are you willing to eat...
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