Oh She's twitchy!

[PitbullVicious]

FWIW, I've found the very precise and light CH Fighter Stick to be easier and more enjoyable to use with the Gazelle than the heavier Warthog Stick (especially if it has developed some sticktion).

 

I usually fly the helos with MS SW2 FFB, but as FFB is not implemented yet...

[Home Fries]

After flailing with the Sidewinder FFB2 with SimFFB, I tried with my Warthog. Still twitchy, but with autopilot I had her flying smooth as silk.

 

Still working on landing on the head of the Sphinx, though...:D

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Still working on landing on the head of the Sphinx, though...:D

 

Challenge accepted :D

 

[Peter_Pilot]

Hi All,

 

As a sim pilot/PPL/glider pilot who once had a very enjoyable go at flying a real Gazelle, I can confirm it took 101% of my concentration just to hover and land. Even in straight and level flight I found myself getting tense on the stick because it was so sensitive. I can't stress enough the value of having a really smooth long joystick between your knees plus collective lever and yaw pedals, it makes such a difference. My stick is connected to a Leo Bodnar card and is silky smooth and precise with light spring forces.

 

I havn't purchased the Polychop Gazelle yet but I will have to because at last I can have a module suited to my home cockpit based on a Gazelle seat!

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=105081&page=4

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=105273

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1193415&postcount=234

 

Also don't forget that this is a single engine helicopter, it is not a good idea to be hovering at 100 feet, you would be well inside the dead man's curve.

 

All the best,

 

Pete.

[Rogue Trooper]

Well for sure the Gazelle takes 101% concentration to hover.

It really is a different machine with its magnetic trim and fine trim within the magnetic trim, takes some getting used to working out which way you have run out of fine trim so that you can magnetically re trim to regain fine trim adjustment.... superb.

 

Very fine control required across all the controllers (except collective).

 

I have only clocked up a few hours in it so far but it is looking like a Great module.

 

Superb work Polychop.

[Scooternutz]

Once I read the manual I see that is flies like the UH-1H, Ka-50, and Mi-8 very little. I use the cyclic to control rapid altitude changes and I am very aware there is little ground effect. This is why folks are flying into the ground. Not going to get into it too much but I have a "few" hours in the SH-3H, SH-60F, MH-60R. Polychop did a great job! In closing, I love the Mi-8 because it is very similar to flying the SH-3H Seaking. The ASE in the SH-3H was a a little better though. Maybe some of you know what Starboard Delta is? :)

[Scooternutz]

Challenge accepted :D

 

 

Outstanding!

[Flagrum]

I made a tiny test mission myself - just the helo, hot on the ramp at Creech. But I can not reproduce this problem I had in the beginning - experimented with several things, restarted the mission several times, and also restarted DCS in-between one or two times. But aside from the very first 5-10 attempts, everything was okay afterwards.

 

The only significant change was the enabling and also disabling that easy mode in the options and setting and re-setting the cyclic curves. Before it was tWiTcHy as hell and after that, she is still a hand full, but by far not such a beast anymore. :o)

Found out what bothered me here. See here: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=165982

 

Seems that I was flying with Easy Controls when I thought they were disabled.

:o(

 

PS: I'd like to have a bug subforum, not just a huge sticky thread...

[xaoslaad]

I generally love it. The only thing I'm remotely suspect of is when slowing and giving hard rudder there's a point where it goes from unresponsive to full effect in a hrart beat.

 

For all I know it's realistic, but it seems odd.

 

This demonstrates what I see. Notice how I'm hard right rudder at speed and there's little to no authority. Seems normal. What doesn't seem normal is it's like zero authority until it's 100% authority. As I slow it doesn't gradually pick up, just when I get close to 0 km/h it launches me into an insane spin... it's really the only thing I see that at least feels wrong that I'd complain about.

 

[OxideMako]

This demonstrates what I see. Notice how I'm hard right rudder at speed and there's little to no authority. Seems normal. What doesn't seem normal is it's like zero authority until it's 100% authority. As I slow it doesn't gradually pick up, just when I get close to 0 km/h it launches me into an insane spin... it's really the only thing I see that at least feels wrong that I'd complain about.

 

 

IIRC 60kmh and under, the SAS does not affect the rudder at all.

[Fishbreath]

IIRC 60kmh and under, the SAS does not affect the rudder at all.

 

The manual doesn't really describe what the SAS does. Do you have a link to somewhere I could read up on it some?

[exil]

IIRC 60kmh and under, the SAS does not affect the rudder at all.

 

I guess it's not the SAS, it's the huge fin that stabilizes the yaw axis above 60kt due to airflow.

[OxideMako]

The manual doesn't really describe what the SAS does. Do you have a link to somewhere I could read up on it some?

 

Unfortunately not, this is just something I have heard relating to the Gazelle, not sure where from. (so could be false)

 

Either way, as the Gazelle slows down it tends to swing hard left.

Bunyap seems to think it is a translational lift effect, see here at 2:44 onwards:

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[/ame] Edited May 3, 2016 by OxideMako

[heloguy]

Maybe some of you know what Starboard Delta is? :)

Many hours of my life spent there I'll never get back brother.

[flyingscotsman]

Flamin_squirrel I'm so Impressed with that Sphinx, Also SO jealous, well done....take me about a year lol

[Phantom88]

I'm getting better....I can make it half way through the pilot skill race course now:pilotfly:

[grunf]

I very much struggled with the controls, and kept adding huge amounts of curves and saturation, until I realized I'm going in the wrong direction (pun intended :D).

So I removed all but small amount of curves (3) and saturation (95), and by using small and precise inputs the Gazelle becomes much more controllable. It does take a lot of practice...

[jcbak]

What would be the difference between adjusting curves/saturation with default controls and using Easy Controls?

[tusler]

I went to Home Depot and built a 14" extension for my Warthog and it definitely made the difference for me, I can hover all day and land pretty easy now. Most of the twitchy is gone. The thing it does not fix is the sliding forward when you first pull collective. I have started to jerk it in the air instead of taking off real slow and easy. I get it away from the ground quick and then it will hover.

[unknown]

Challenge accepted :D

I tried to play space shuttle, but i think i broke it. :D

I was not perfectly aligned and slid of to the side, destroyed the plane while shorten my main rotor. :cry:

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Nice! Will have to try that when I get home.

[j0nx]

What is with that crashed plane model? It almost looks like a sprite? I noticed that the other day when I shot one up and they look terrible. Definite WIP there.

[unknown]

What is with that crashed plane model? It almost looks like a sprite? I noticed that the other day when I shot one up and they look terrible. Definite WIP there.

Yes, looks not very pleasant. But i think this is very low on ED priority list.

 

@Flamin_Squirrel

I was a little hard on the landing, a little fire/smoke appeared but only for some seconds.

[rrohde]

The thing it does not fix is the sliding forward when you first pull collective.

 

Just trim her tail-heavy a few clicks; guess this is useful to compensate for the heavy Viviane sight.

[Pocket Sized]

What would be the difference between adjusting curves/saturation with default controls and using Easy Controls?

 

You'd have to ask the devs but it feels like the flight model itself is changed when you use easier controls. It seems to hold attitude more willingly.