Ready Posted December 27, 2021 Posted December 27, 2021 11 hours ago, rubbra said: Has anyone else found that this mod is mostly not needed in the latest update? I've got significant fps gains, particularly in the Hornet and 'Hog. Viper is still worse, but still a good 10-12 fps higher than previously. I can only put it down to the "Fixed a bug leading to a drop of performance when rendering a water surface" line in the changelog - I fly a lot of persian gulf... Did you get fps gain through this update? I did not notice any significant change. What is your setup? You don't use a shader mod? That 'fixed a bug... water surface' is very interesting. Am wondering why I did not notice this, or was it a bug that was introduced a few OB releases back when performance took a nose dive? I fly an A-10C II in VR and post my DCS journey on | Subscribe to my DCS A-10C channel Come check out the 132nd Virtual Wing | My VR Performance Optimization (4090/9800X3D/Aero) SYSTEM SPECS: Ryzen 7 9800X3D, RTX4090, 64GB DDR5-6000, Windows 10, ROG STRIX X870E-E Gaming WIFI, Varjo Aero, VKB Gunfighter MKIII MCG Ultimate with 10cm extension, VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle, VPC Control Panel #2, TM TPR Rudders. Buttkicker, Gametrix Jetseat, PointCTRL, OpenKneeboard, Wacom Intuos Pro Small.
Sr. Posted December 27, 2021 Posted December 27, 2021 Has anyone else tried running DCs with NO shader mods since the latest update? Anytime there's an update, I like to see how it runs out of the box and usually resort back to one of the popular shader mods. I switched off all mods then updated, then repair install. Since then I have only enabled Open FSR v 2.1.1 & Reshade. My gpu frametimes are as high as I recall when I was still using simplex shader mod. Running SVR @ 90% and getting 10-12 frametime is Causses. 1 Ryzen 7 5800X3D | 64GB DDR4 3600| MSI RTX 4080 16GB Ventus 3X OC | Samsung 970 Evo 2TB NVME | Quest 3 | Logitech X-56 throttle | VKB NXT Premium | Win 11 "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." --Arthur C Clark
whisky.actual Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Sr. said: Has anyone else tried running DCs with NO shader mods since the latest update? Anytime there's an update, I like to see how it runs out of the box and usually resort back to one of the popular shader mods. I switched off all mods then updated, then repair install. Since then I have only enabled Open FSR v 2.1.1 & Reshade. My gpu frametimes are as high as I recall when I was still using simplex shader mod. Running SVR @ 90% and getting 10-12 frametime is Causses. Interesting, when you say 90% for SVR is that the "renderScale" in the openvr_mod.cfg or something else?
speed-of-heat Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 Svr=STEAM VR’s base resolution SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware AMD 9800X3D, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat
Sr. Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 Sorry, meant SVRSS (Steam VR Super Sampling) for clarification, I run global at 100% and DCS 90% Haven't been able to pull off 90% at these numbers since a few updates ago. Ryzen 7 5800X3D | 64GB DDR4 3600| MSI RTX 4080 16GB Ventus 3X OC | Samsung 970 Evo 2TB NVME | Quest 3 | Logitech X-56 throttle | VKB NXT Premium | Win 11 "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." --Arthur C Clark
speed-of-heat Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Sr. said: Sorry, meant SVRSS (Steam VR Super Sampling) for clarification, I run global at 100% and DCS 90% Haven't been able to pull off 90% at these numbers since a few updates ago. Well since you asked: Frametime in ms Delta From Baseline Ver Test Baseline FPS GPU CPU GPU CPU Changes 2.7.9.17830 124 61.33 14.72 6.90 Baseline Standard Settings no MODS, 100%SVR 2.7.9.17830 128 Test 124 75.71 11.74 6.83 2.98 0.08 FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5 2.7.9.17830 129 Test 124 79.32 11.21 6.71 3.51 0.20 FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5 + 90 CRM in Steam VR 2.7.9.17830 130 Test 124 80.30 10.97 6.87 3.75 0.03 FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5 + 100 CRM in Steam VR + Simplex 2.2 2.7.9.17830 131 Test 124 80.55 10.60 6.98 4.12 -0.08 FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5 + 100 CRM in Steam VR + Taz1004's variant of Kegetys Shaders There is very little overall difference in performance between, running at 90% and implementing any of the currently available shader mods, Taz's has just over 0.6ms improvement, that has to be offset against the one time "cost" of compiling the shaders, which is not present in Simplex (for similar performance) , but overall I doubt you would see the difference in terms of raw performance especially if you are locking at 45hz, between either of the options (Simplex or Taz/Kegety) but Taz/Simplex is faster than 90% by about 0.5-ms and about 5fps more than running at 90%. As to which is better visually thats a matter for the observer, and I'm not sticking my sensitive parts in that bed of razors, as its hard to get really objective data about that sort of subjective information. Personally, I'm leaving towards Simplex, as it doesnt have the "up front" cost and delivers very similar perf. HTH Edited December 28, 2021 by speed-of-heat Typo 1 SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware AMD 9800X3D, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat
Taz1004 Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, speed-of-heat said: Well since you asked: Frametime in ms Delta From Baseline Ver Test Baseline FPS GPU CPU GPU CPU Changes 2.7.9.17830 124 Test 104 61.33 14.72 6.90 Baseline Standard Settings no MODS, 100%SVR 2.7.9.17830 128 Test 104 75.71 11.74 6.83 2.98 0.08 FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5 2.7.9.17830 129 Test 104 79.32 11.21 6.71 3.51 0.20 FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5 + 90 CRM in Steam VR 2.7.9.17830 130 Test 104 80.30 10.97 6.87 3.75 0.03 FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5 + 100 CRM in Steam VR + Simplex 2.2 2.7.9.17830 131 Test 104 80.55 10.60 6.98 4.12 -0.08 FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5 + 100 CRM in Steam VR + Taz1004's variant of Kegetys Shaders There is very little overall difference in performance between, running at 90% and implementing any of the currently available shader mods, Taz's has just over 0.6ms improvement, that has to be offset against the one time "cost" of compiling the shaders, which is not present in Simplex (for similar performance) , but overall I doubt you would see the difference in terms of raw performance especially if you are locking at 45hz, between either of the options (Simplex or Taz/Kegety) but Taz/Simplex is faster than 90% by about 0.5-ms and about 5fps more than running at 90%. As to which is better visually thats a matter for the observer, and I'm not sticking my sensitive parts in that bed of razors, as its hard to get really objective data about that sort of subjective information. Personally, I'm leaving towards Simplex, as it doesnt have the "up front" cost and delivers very similar perf. HTH Thanks for that test. Always wondered the performance difference but don't have the benchmarking tools. Obvious difference between Simplex and Kegety's is IC. So if IC is important, then there's really no choice. Another reason for using original Kegety's over Simplex is for its features. I first modified the haze and realized it required recompile anyway. And to me, Haze is worth the up front cost. So I decided to use the original. And there are other features Simplex removes like Albedo texture sharpening, NVG scope adjustment, etc. Below is difference between Simplex and Kegety's only. No other mods. I'm not biased over one or the other. Both are great options. Just providing information for people to make right choice. Edited December 28, 2021 by Taz1004 2 1 Better Smoke - Better Trees Caucasus - Better Trees Syria - Better Trees Mariana - Clear Canopy Glass
speed-of-heat Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, Taz1004 said: Thanks for that test. Always wondered the performance difference but don't have the benchmarking tools. Obvious difference between Simplex and Kegety's is IC. So if IC is important, then there's really no choice. Another reason for using original Kegety's over Simplex is for its features. I first modified the haze and realized it required recompile anyway. And to me, the Haze is worth the up front cost. So I decided to use the original. And there are other features Simplex removes like Albedo texture sharpening, NVG scope adjustment, etc. Below is difference between Simplex and Kegety's only. No other mods. I'm not biased over one or the other. Both are great options. Just providing information for people to make right choice. Good points well made! 1 SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware AMD 9800X3D, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat
ShaunX Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 3 hours ago, speed-of-heat said: Well since you asked: Frametime in ms Delta From Baseline Ver Test Baseline FPS GPU CPU GPU CPU Changes 2.7.9.17830 124 61.33 14.72 6.90 Baseline Standard Settings no MODS, 100%SVR 2.7.9.17830 128 Test 124 75.71 11.74 6.83 2.98 0.08 FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5 2.7.9.17830 129 Test 124 79.32 11.21 6.71 3.51 0.20 FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5 + 90 CRM in Steam VR 2.7.9.17830 130 Test 124 80.30 10.97 6.87 3.75 0.03 FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5 + 100 CRM in Steam VR + Simplex 2.2 2.7.9.17830 131 Test 124 80.55 10.60 6.98 4.12 -0.08 FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5 + 100 CRM in Steam VR + Taz1004's variant of Kegetys Shaders There is very little overall difference in performance between, running at 90% and implementing any of the currently available shader mods, Taz's has just over 0.6ms improvement, that has to be offset against the one time "cost" of compiling the shaders, which is not present in Simplex (for similar performance) , but overall I doubt you would see the difference in terms of raw performance especially if you are locking at 45hz, between either of the options (Simplex or Taz/Kegety) but Taz/Simplex is faster than 90% by about 0.5-ms and about 5fps more than running at 90%. As to which is better visually thats a matter for the observer, and I'm not sticking my sensitive parts in that bed of razors, as its hard to get really objective data about that sort of subjective information. Personally, I'm leaving towards Simplex, as it doesnt have the "up front" cost and delivers very similar perf. HTH What about your CW+IC variant ? It doesn't have any upfront cost either and works in Multiplayer RYZEN 5900X | 32GB | ASUS Strix RTX3090 | 500GB NVMe OS 1000GB NVMe DCS | Warthog HOTAS | HP Reverb G2 | VA & ViacomPRO My DCS Apps: Radio KAOS for DCS KB Quick - Quick and Easy Kneeboards
Sr. Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 On 12/27/2021 at 1:43 AM, rubbra said: Has anyone else found that this mod is mostly not needed in the latest update? I've got significant fps gains, particularly in the Hornet and 'Hog. Viper is still worse, but still a good 10-12 fps higher than previously. I can only put it down to the "Fixed a bug leading to a drop of performance when rendering a water surface" line in the changelog - I fly a lot of persian gulf... I came to same conclusion. I assume they have fixed something. Ryzen 7 5800X3D | 64GB DDR4 3600| MSI RTX 4080 16GB Ventus 3X OC | Samsung 970 Evo 2TB NVME | Quest 3 | Logitech X-56 throttle | VKB NXT Premium | Win 11 "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." --Arthur C Clark
speed-of-heat Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 hey @ShaunX I honestly havent used it in a while, given the very narrow difference between simplex and Taz's variant i doubt there would be very much in it in a practical sense... given the images that @Taz1004 shows, i went with his version in the end as i dont do much MP, and i can always go simplex if i need to SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware AMD 9800X3D, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat
Sr. Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, speed-of-heat said: hey @ShaunX I honestly havent used it in a while, given the very narrow difference between simplex and Taz's variant i doubt there would be very much in it in a practical sense... given the images that @Taz1004 shows, i went with his version in the end as i dont do much MP, and i can always go simplex if i need to Where is @Taz1004 latest? I'll give in a whirl. Ryzen 7 5800X3D | 64GB DDR4 3600| MSI RTX 4080 16GB Ventus 3X OC | Samsung 970 Evo 2TB NVME | Quest 3 | Logitech X-56 throttle | VKB NXT Premium | Win 11 "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." --Arthur C Clark
speed-of-heat Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 27 minutes ago, Sr. said: I came to same conclusion. I assume they have fixed something. so a lot depends on your perspective ... this is more a return to 2.7.6 levels of performance, than it is an absolute improvement... SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware AMD 9800X3D, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat
Sr. Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, speed-of-heat said: so a lot depends on your perspective ... this is more a return to 2.7.6 levels of performance, than it is an absolute improvement... Reminds me, I need to go retest with water back to high. Ryzen 7 5800X3D | 64GB DDR4 3600| MSI RTX 4080 16GB Ventus 3X OC | Samsung 970 Evo 2TB NVME | Quest 3 | Logitech X-56 throttle | VKB NXT Premium | Win 11 "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." --Arthur C Clark
speed-of-heat Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 36 minutes ago, Sr. said: Where is @Taz1004 latest? I'll give in a whirl. my tests were with Water High 1 SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware AMD 9800X3D, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat
ollk22 Posted December 29, 2021 Posted December 29, 2021 Any ideas after replacing the files in shaders directory folks?
speed-of-heat Posted December 29, 2021 Posted December 29, 2021 Looks like you used the wrong version Use the linked one in the post above yours 1 SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware AMD 9800X3D, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat
huligan Posted December 29, 2021 Posted December 29, 2021 NVG - what is it? win10 21H2 | Ryzen 5600 4.6GHz | 32Гб DDR4 3200 | MSI RTX2080ti Ventus OC 11G | РУС vkb Gladiator Pro+РУД vkb Gametrix ECS+Пендали BRD-MS1 | Pico4 VR | | https://vk.com/paraplan_mkp
speed-of-heat Posted December 29, 2021 Posted December 29, 2021 (edited) NVG = Night Vision Goggles... 12 minutes ago, huligan said: NVG - what is it? Edited December 29, 2021 by speed-of-heat 1 SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware AMD 9800X3D, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat
ollk22 Posted December 30, 2021 Posted December 30, 2021 On 12/29/2021 at 4:49 AM, speed-of-heat said: Looks like you used the wrong version Use the linked one in the post above yours Thanks, testing now
Thedoc_tv Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 I am using OVGME, is there a way to know if the mod applied and is having effect on the game?
Steel Jaw Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) Is this mod still relevant/beneficial to VR? I get a DX11Renderer Error when starting up DCS after applying this mod. Edited January 4, 2022 by Steel Jaw "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
Fiztex Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) 2 часа назад, Steel Jaw сказал: Is this mod still relevant/beneficial to VR? I get a DX11Renderer Error when starting up DCS after applying this mod. It's both, most likely you need to repair the game and/or clean fxo and metashaders folders. Personally I use Taz1004 version of the shaders and 3dmigoto 11.4, works pretty good for me flying fighters, getting 72 fps for Quest 2 most of the time. There are some issues with CBUs though, it looks like it's fixed in 3dmigoto v12. Edited January 4, 2022 by Fiztex AMD 7800x3d + RTX 4090 + 64 GB RAM + VR Quest 3 VDXR
Steel Jaw Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 36 minutes ago, Fiztex said: Personally I use Taz1004 version of the shaders and 3dmigoto 11.4 Link please brother. "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
Fiztex Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 9 минут назад, Steel Jaw сказал: Link please brother. It's a couple pages up this thread: https://forums.eagle.ru/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=247708&key=607b543537fc0be5580fbde6eb5090c5 Apparently 3dmigoto 11.4 is not available for download any more, only v12 is: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/filter/user-is-lefuneste01/apply/ For v12 you should go with Speed-of-heat shaders (here on forum) or Simplex (in DCS user files), you can find them pretty easy here. I'm on the phone, so try to searching yourself please. 1 AMD 7800x3d + RTX 4090 + 64 GB RAM + VR Quest 3 VDXR
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