VR Shaders mod for better VR experience

[Ready]

11 hours ago, rubbra said:

Has anyone else found that this mod is mostly not needed in the latest update? I've got significant fps gains, particularly in the Hornet and 'Hog. Viper is still worse, but still a good 10-12 fps higher than previously. I can only put it down to the "Fixed a bug leading to a drop of performance when rendering a water surface" line in the changelog - I fly a lot of persian gulf...

Did you get fps gain through this update? I did not notice any significant change. What is your setup? You don't use a shader mod? That 'fixed a bug... water surface' is very interesting. Am wondering why I did not notice this, or was it a bug that was introduced a few OB releases back when performance took a nose dive?

[Sr.]

Has anyone else tried running DCs with NO shader mods since the latest update?

 

Anytime there's an update, I like to see how it runs out of the box and usually resort back to one of the popular shader mods.

I switched off all mods then updated, then repair install. Since then I have only enabled Open FSR v 2.1.1 & Reshade. My gpu frametimes are as high as I recall when I was still using simplex shader mod. Running SVR @ 90% and getting 10-12 frametime is Causses.

[whisky.actual]

2 hours ago, Sr. said:

Has anyone else tried running DCs with NO shader mods since the latest update?

 

Anytime there's an update, I like to see how it runs out of the box and usually resort back to one of the popular shader mods.

I switched off all mods then updated, then repair install. Since then I have only enabled Open FSR v 2.1.1 & Reshade. My gpu frametimes are as high as I recall when I was still using simplex shader mod. Running SVR @ 90% and getting 10-12 frametime is Causses.

Interesting, when you say 90% for SVR is that the "renderScale" in the openvr_mod.cfg or something else?

[speed-of-heat]

Svr=STEAM VR’s base resolution 

[Sr.]

Sorry, meant SVRSS (Steam VR Super Sampling) for clarification, I run global at 100% and DCS 90%

Haven't been able to pull off 90% at these numbers since a few updates ago.

[speed-of-heat]

4 hours ago, Sr. said:

Sorry, meant SVRSS (Steam VR Super Sampling) for clarification, I run global at 100% and DCS 90%

Haven't been able to pull off 90% at these numbers since a few updates ago.

Well since you asked:

				Frametime in ms		Delta From Baseline
Ver	Test	Baseline	FPS	GPU	CPU	GPU	CPU	Changes
2.7.9.17830	124		61.33	14.72	6.90			Baseline Standard Settings no MODS, 100%SVR
2.7.9.17830	128	Test 124	75.71	11.74	6.83	2.98	0.08	FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5
2.7.9.17830	129	Test 124	79.32	11.21	6.71	3.51	0.20	FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5 + 90 CRM in Steam VR
2.7.9.17830	130	Test 124	80.30	10.97	6.87	3.75	0.03	FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5 + 100 CRM in Steam VR + Simplex 2.2
2.7.9.17830	131	Test 124	80.55	10.60	6.98	4.12	-0.08	FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5 + 100 CRM in Steam VR + Taz1004's variant of Kegetys Shaders

There is very little overall difference in performance between, running at 90% and implementing any of the currently  available shader mods, Taz's has just over 0.6ms improvement,  that has to be offset against the one time "cost" of compiling the shaders, which is not present in Simplex (for similar performance) , but overall I doubt you would see the difference in terms of raw performance especially if you are locking at 45hz, between either of the options (Simplex or Taz/Kegety) but Taz/Simplex is faster than 90% by about 0.5-ms and about 5fps more than running at 90%.

As to which is better visually thats a matter for the observer, and I'm not sticking my sensitive parts in that bed of razors, as its hard to get really objective data about that sort of subjective information.

Personally, I'm leaving towards Simplex, as it doesnt have the "up front" cost and delivers very similar perf.  HTH

 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2021 by speed-of-heat
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[Taz1004]

49 minutes ago, speed-of-heat said:

Well since you asked:

				Frametime in ms		Delta From Baseline
Ver	Test	Baseline	FPS	GPU	CPU	GPU	CPU	Changes
2.7.9.17830	124	Test 104	61.33	14.72	6.90			Baseline Standard Settings no MODS, 100%SVR
2.7.9.17830	128	Test 104	75.71	11.74	6.83	2.98	0.08	FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5
2.7.9.17830	129	Test 104	79.32	11.21	6.71	3.51	0.20	FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5 + 90 CRM in Steam VR
2.7.9.17830	130	Test 104	80.30	10.97	6.87	3.75	0.03	FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5 + 100 CRM in Steam VR + Simplex 2.2
2.7.9.17830	131	Test 104	80.55	10.60	6.98	4.12	-0.08	FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5 + 100 CRM in Steam VR + Taz1004's variant of Kegetys Shaders

There is very little overall difference in performance between, running at 90% and implementing any of the currently  available shader mods, Taz's has just over 0.6ms improvement,  that has to be offset against the one time "cost" of compiling the shaders, which is not present in Simplex (for similar performance) , but overall I doubt you would see the difference in terms of raw performance especially if you are locking at 45hz, between either of the options (Simplex or Taz/Kegety) but Taz/Simplex is faster than 90% by about 0.5-ms and about 5fps more than running at 90%.

As to which is better visually thats a matter for the observer, and I'm not sticking my sensitive parts in that bed of razors, as its hard to get really objective data about that sort of subjective information.

Personally, I'm leaving towards Simplex, as it doesnt have the "up front" cost and delivers very similar perf.  HTH

Thanks for that test.  Always wondered the performance difference but don't have the benchmarking tools.

Obvious difference between Simplex and Kegety's is IC.  So if IC is important, then there's really no choice.

Another reason for using original Kegety's over Simplex is for its features.  I first modified the haze and realized it required recompile anyway.  And to me, Haze is worth the up front cost.  So I decided to use the original.

 

And there are other features Simplex removes like Albedo texture sharpening, NVG scope adjustment, etc.  Below is difference between Simplex and Kegety's only.  No other mods.

I'm not biased over one or the other.  Both are great options.  Just providing information for people to make right choice.

Edited December 28, 2021 by Taz1004

[speed-of-heat]

8 minutes ago, Taz1004 said:

Thanks for that test.  Always wondered the performance difference but don't have the benchmarking tools.

Obvious difference between Simplex and Kegety's is IC.  So if IC is important, then there's really no choice.

Another reason for using original Kegety's over Simplex is for its features.  I first modified the haze and realized it required recompile anyway.  And to me, the Haze is worth the up front cost.  So I decided to use the original.

 

And there are other features Simplex removes like Albedo texture sharpening, NVG scope adjustment, etc.  Below is difference between Simplex and Kegety's only.  No other mods.

I'm not biased over one or the other.  Both are great options.  Just providing information for people to make right choice.

Good points well made!

[ShaunX]

3 hours ago, speed-of-heat said:

Well since you asked:

				Frametime in ms		Delta From Baseline
Ver	Test	Baseline	FPS	GPU	CPU	GPU	CPU	Changes
2.7.9.17830	124		61.33	14.72	6.90			Baseline Standard Settings no MODS, 100%SVR
2.7.9.17830	128	Test 124	75.71	11.74	6.83	2.98	0.08	FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5
2.7.9.17830	129	Test 124	79.32	11.21	6.71	3.51	0.20	FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5 + 90 CRM in Steam VR
2.7.9.17830	130	Test 124	80.30	10.97	6.87	3.75	0.03	FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5 + 100 CRM in Steam VR + Simplex 2.2
2.7.9.17830	131	Test 124	80.55	10.60	6.98	4.12	-0.08	FSR set to NIS 0.8 Render Scale, Sharpness 0, Radius 0.5 + 100 CRM in Steam VR + Taz1004's variant of Kegetys Shaders

There is very little overall difference in performance between, running at 90% and implementing any of the currently  available shader mods, Taz's has just over 0.6ms improvement,  that has to be offset against the one time "cost" of compiling the shaders, which is not present in Simplex (for similar performance) , but overall I doubt you would see the difference in terms of raw performance especially if you are locking at 45hz, between either of the options (Simplex or Taz/Kegety) but Taz/Simplex is faster than 90% by about 0.5-ms and about 5fps more than running at 90%.

As to which is better visually thats a matter for the observer, and I'm not sticking my sensitive parts in that bed of razors, as its hard to get really objective data about that sort of subjective information.

Personally, I'm leaving towards Simplex, as it doesnt have the "up front" cost and delivers very similar perf.  HTH

 

 

 

 

What about your CW+IC variant ? It doesn't have any upfront cost either and works in Multiplayer

 

 

[Sr.]

On 12/27/2021 at 1:43 AM, rubbra said:

Has anyone else found that this mod is mostly not needed in the latest update? I've got significant fps gains, particularly in the Hornet and 'Hog. Viper is still worse, but still a good 10-12 fps higher than previously. I can only put it down to the "Fixed a bug leading to a drop of performance when rendering a water surface" line in the changelog - I fly a lot of persian gulf...

I came to same conclusion. I assume they have fixed something.

[speed-of-heat]

hey @ShaunX I honestly havent used it in a while, given the very narrow difference between simplex and Taz's variant i doubt there would be very much in it in a practical sense... given the images that @Taz1004 shows, i went with his version in the end as i dont do much MP, and i can always go simplex if i need to 

 

[Sr.]

9 minutes ago, speed-of-heat said:

hey @ShaunX I honestly havent used it in a while, given the very narrow difference between simplex and Taz's variant i doubt there would be very much in it in a practical sense... given the images that @Taz1004 shows, i went with his version in the end as i dont do much MP, and i can always go simplex if i need to 

 

Where is @Taz1004 latest? I'll give in a whirl.

[speed-of-heat]

27 minutes ago, Sr. said:

I came to same conclusion. I assume they have fixed something.

so a lot depends on your perspective ... this is more a return to 2.7.6 levels of performance, than it is an absolute improvement... 

[Sr.]

12 minutes ago, speed-of-heat said:

so a lot depends on your perspective ... this is more a return to 2.7.6 levels of performance, than it is an absolute improvement... 

Reminds me, I need to go retest with water back to high.

[speed-of-heat]

36 minutes ago, Sr. said:

Where is @Taz1004 latest? I'll give in a whirl.

 

my tests were with Water High

[ollk22]

Any ideas after replacing the files in shaders directory folks?

[speed-of-heat]

Looks like you used the wrong version

 

Use the linked one in the post above yours

[huligan]

NVG - what is it?

[speed-of-heat]

 

NVG = Night Vision Goggles... 

12 minutes ago, huligan said:

NVG - what is it?

 

Edited December 29, 2021 by speed-of-heat

[ollk22]

On 12/29/2021 at 4:49 AM, speed-of-heat said:

Looks like you used the wrong version

 

Use the linked one in the post above yours

Thanks, testing now

 

[Thedoc_tv]

I am using OVGME, is there a way to know if the mod applied and is having effect on the game?

[Steel Jaw]

Is this mod still relevant/beneficial to VR?

I get a DX11Renderer Error when starting up DCS after applying this mod.

Edited January 4, 2022 by Steel Jaw

[Fiztex]

2 часа назад, Steel Jaw сказал:

Is this mod still relevant/beneficial to VR?

I get a DX11Renderer Error when starting up DCS after applying this mod.

 

It's both, most likely you need to repair the game and/or clean fxo and metashaders folders. Personally I use Taz1004 version of the shaders and 3dmigoto 11.4, works pretty good for me flying fighters, getting 72 fps for Quest 2 most of the time. There are some issues with CBUs though, it looks like it's fixed in 3dmigoto v12.

Edited January 4, 2022 by Fiztex

[Steel Jaw]

36 minutes ago, Fiztex said:

Personally I use Taz1004 version of the shaders and 3dmigoto 11.4

Link please brother.

[Fiztex]

9 минут назад, Steel Jaw сказал:

Link please brother.

It's a couple pages up this thread:

https://forums.eagle.ru/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=247708&key=607b543537fc0be5580fbde6eb5090c5

Apparently 3dmigoto 11.4 is not available for download any more, only v12 is:

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/filter/user-is-lefuneste01/apply/

 

For v12 you should go with Speed-of-heat shaders (here on forum) or Simplex (in DCS user files), you can find them pretty easy here. I'm on the phone, so try to searching yourself please.