=DECOY= Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Recently Razbam mentioned they will be making period correct modules for the new Falklands currently in development, A couple of the platforms mentioned are the Mirage III and the IAI Dagger, However only one will be built. Now its over to us, which module would you like to see in the new DCS Falklands map, I will be collating the votes here, the Facebook page and the website for Razbam. Water cooled i9-9900K | Maximus Code XI MB | RTX3090 | 64GB | HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyMPAK Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 What Mirage III model (Mirage IIIC or Mirage IIIE)? Iniquissimam pacem justissimo bello anteferro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carss Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 What Mirage III model (Mirage IIIC or Mirage IIIE)? I think it'll be the Mirage IIIJ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Planes: FC3, P-51, F-86, F-5E, Mirage 2000, F/A-18, F-14, F-16, Mig-19P :joystick: ED pls gib A-4 and F-4 :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagrat Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 I guess they will do whatever they can get enough data for... Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 32GB | GeForce RTX 2080S - Acer XB280HK 28" 4k | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VIRPIL CM 50 Stick & Throttle | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | TM Cougar MFDs | a hand made UFC | AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDieing Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 I guess they will do whatever they can get enough data for... Thats what they said before. I think they found enough info on both of them and are now leaving the choice to the community. Either that, or they better start digging for data :D ''Greed is a bottomless pit which exhausts the person in an endless effort to satisfy the need without ever reaching satisfaction.'' Erich Fromm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tirak Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 I would hope that we get the IAI Dagger, it's based on the Mirage V and if we are indeed getting the Argentinian version, as suggested by the fact they're calling it the Dagger and not the Nesher and the Falklands terrain, then it should have undergone the upgrade to bring it to Kfir C.2 standard. A brief perusal of the Kfir C.2s weapons offers much more variety than the Mirage IIICJ Shahak that they originally announced they were going to do before they mentioned the Dagger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperEtendard Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 If it's going to be Mirage IIIE, then the be it the Mirage, but if it will be Mirage IIICJ, I would prefer the Dagger, for the sake of accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zcrazyx Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 I would prefer the E because nuke and R530 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzles Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Where's the option for "Neither: Hold off on making new stuff and improve/add-to the M2000 and Harrier modules" ? Fancy trying Star Citizen? Click here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tirak Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Is this an official thing? Also, is there any more information on each particular version of the respective aircraft we are choosing from? What model of each aircraft? What avionics? What are the differences in range and payload, if any? What are the differences in weapon load-outs between the two? Any difference in maneuverability? It's on their facebook and website, so it seems to be official. Initially, the Mirage III was announced and shortly thereafter they mentioned they intended to make a Mirage IIICJ Shahak, which had simplified electronics compared to the IIIC. The IAI Dagger we've received no information pertaining to variants though if it is at all related to the Falklands map, then the Dagger was modernized to Kfir C.2 standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avimimus Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 It'd be nice to have an aircraft that was also used by the Israelis' (another theatre with other types of opponents). However, my main priority is the JL-100 rocket pods (and the R.530). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auditor Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I'm going to need a bit more info before I cast my vote. Mirage III is by far the more ubiquitous aircraft, being flown by over thirty countries around the world. By comparison: the Dagger A is just a rebrand of the Nesher made for export purposes to Argentina, right? Flown by only three countries throughout its existence. It would seem like the Mirage III would take this hands-down. Is there something about the inclusion of one or the other to even up this decision? Would the Dagger make far more sense in the context of when this operation is taking place, or would it be a springboard to other modules like the IAI Kfir? Would it have newer avionics and weapons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tirak Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I'm going to need a bit more info before I cast my vote. Mirage III is by far the more ubiquitous aircraft, being flown by over thirty countries around the world. By comparison: the Dagger A is just a rebrand of the Nesher made for export purposes to Argentina, right? Flown by only three countries throughout its existence. It would seem like the Mirage III would take this hands-down. Is there something about the inclusion of one or the other to even up this decision? Would the Dagger make far more sense in the context of when this operation is taking place, or would it be a springboard to other modules like the IAI Kfir? Would it have newer avionics and weapons? The Mirage III on offer is the CJ Shahak, which has downgraded electronics and flew for Israel. The Dagger has better electronics and weapons options if it is the version that was upgrade to C.2 standard, which would make sense given that RAZBAM is developing a Falkland Islands map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Argentina firstly received new built Mirage III EA from France before the second hand Dagger. Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI GTX 1080Ti Gaming X/ RAM 32 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Saitek X-55 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Rift S M-2000C X-55 VR profile / M-2000C custom SERVAL symbols assignation Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tirak Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Argentina firstly received new built Mirage III EA from France before the second hand Dagger. Prowler did show interest in possibly expanding to an IIIE, however the last confirmed information we have about it is the Shahak, unless he's made a statement recently saying the Mirage III they're thinking about is no longer the CJ. https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2796536&postcount=8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrike88 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Where's the option for "Neither: Hold off on making new stuff and improve/add-to the M2000 and Harrier modules" ? +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I voted for the Mirage III. After looking closer at these variants, I think maybe the Dagger is better Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Prowler did show interest in possibly expanding to an IIIE, however the last confirmed information we have about it is the Shahak, unless he's made a statement recently saying the Mirage III they're thinking about is no longer the CJ. https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2796536&postcount=8 I know, but Mirage III C doesn’t belong to South Atlantic theatre :music_whistling: So I’m trying some lobbying here :D Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI GTX 1080Ti Gaming X/ RAM 32 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Saitek X-55 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Rift S M-2000C X-55 VR profile / M-2000C custom SERVAL symbols assignation Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astazou Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I see the debate is oriented around the Falkland-Islands/argentina context, but the module has also to make sense for other maps. It make the Mirage III more legitimate. A Mirage IIIE would be awesome, and many people will buy it. Just see the vote to understant the Dagger would have a smaller success. And also, the Mirage can have jato ! Not the Dagger ! source and more info' (need to real baguette) : https://www.escadrilles.org/avions/gros-plan/mirage-3e/ My DCS contributions: - My mods/skins: here - My server/missions scripts: there - My Discord bot: this place If you want to thank me buying a coffee/beer, feel free: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/Astazou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tirak Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I see the debate is oriented around the Falkland-Islands/argentina context, but the module has also to make sense for other maps. It make the Mirage III more legitimate. A Mirage IIIE would be awesome, and many people will buy it. Just see the vote to understant the Dagger would have a smaller success. And also, the Mirage can have jato ! Not the Dagger ! source and more info' (need to real baguette) : https://www.escadrilles.org/avions/gros-plan/mirage-3e/ The Shahak actually removed the RATO capability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanRL Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I would argue for the Mirage III. It can be used in far more settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xordus Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Well the Mirage III seems like a necessity imo. Razbam is def the dev to do it too. Having said that, the Dagger is a really interesting aircraft that would be a great addition to DCS. Maybe one day they'll be able to add it also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myst Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Happy with either one (but I voted Mirage III). A Mirage variant is essential, such a legendary jet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whozdär Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Not interested in any of those. I'd much rather see a Mirage 2000-5 Need something to fight against those Hornets :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattebubben Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) For me it depends on the variant. Mirage III CJ or a Dagger then i go Dagger. Mirage IIIEA or Dagger then i go Dagger. For the Falklands scenario i see the Dagger as being more important then the Mirage IIIEA (Larger numbers saw much more combat and had a direct impact on the conflict where as the IIIEA did not) for a Falklands scenario we NEED a Dagger just as much as we need a Seaharrier or a Gr.3 where as a IIIEA is purely optional. But if we are going outside of the Falklands i would prefer a Mirage IIIE (Would still take a Dagger over a IIICJ though) though in that scenario i would also prefer a Mirage V over a Dagger. And if i had to pick between a Mirage IIIE or a Mirage V it would depend on the exact variant as there are many Mirage V variants that i would say are superior to the Mirage IIIE. Edited September 5, 2018 by mattebubben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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