F-15C v3.0??

[Eagle7907]

Wondering if the F-15C would/could ever become a hifi module? I understand security boundaries, but if ED can make an FA-18C, why the hell cant an F-15C? Both are retired/retiring from USAF/USN.

 

Also, would you buy it? I most certainly would, and I already have FC version.

 

 

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[WildBillKelsoe]

because the AN/APG-68 radar is still classified.

[Eagle7907]

because the AN/APG-68 radar is still classified.

 

 

 

Ah. That makes sense. Thank you.

 

 

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[Mars Exulte]

There is an F-15E in dev right now.

 

@WildBill

Classification is irrelevant. F-18 and A-10 also have classified aspects.

 

 

 

I really don't know why people pull that sort of stuff out of their butt. It's completely illogical if you think about it for even two seconds.

Edited December 18, 2018 by zhukov032186

[Eagle7907]

F-15C v3.0??

 

There is an F-15E in dev right now.

 

@WildBill

Classification is irrelevant. F-18 and A-10 also have classified aspects.

 

 

 

I really don't know why people pull that sort of stuff out of their butt. It's completely illogical if you think about it for even two seconds.

 

 

 

Yeah, but the radar for the 15C is a very big key in the airframe. I doubt ED would develop this just to cut corners on something so interweaved into the aircraft weapon systems.

 

Also it’s a different radar. Wait.... no it’s not. At least when it was developed it was the same radar. Developed APG-63. Now APG-70.

 

I withdraw my statement. They could still make a hifi version of the FC3 model.

 

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Edited December 18, 2018 by Eagle7907

[draconus]

It's APG-63 modeled currently.

 

And, yes, I would love full fidelity F-15C. I'm not into Strike Eagle that much.

Edited December 18, 2018 by draconus

[Mars Exulte]

@eagle

Radar is extremely simplified ingame at present. It's ALREADY 'corner cut'. That said, classification is irrelevant, I repeat. The way that sort of thing works is you produce something with similar results that generates them in a different manner. That's what they do on all the OTHER classified systems on these active duty aircraft we ALREADY have.

 

These are NOT 1 to 1 replicas of the real aircraft, there are countless compromises made on each of them.

[CarbonFox]

I would certainly like to see a more functional F-15C. You don't need to simulate every single system but I'd like to see more interaction with the cockpit. Also, give the F-15 the AIM-9X and JHMCS. :D

[Eagle7907]

@eagle

Radar is extremely simplified ingame at present. It's ALREADY 'corner cut'. That said, classification is irrelevant, I repeat. The way that sort of thing works is you produce something with similar results that generates them in a different manner. That's what they do on all the OTHER classified systems on these active duty aircraft we ALREADY have.

 

These are NOT 1 to 1 replicas of the real aircraft, there are countless compromises made on each of them.

 

 

 

Yeah I came to that conclusion after the fact. I guess you didn’t see me say I withdrew my statement. Obviously it wasn’t the case since it is already using APG-63 in the sim.

 

 

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[HiJack]

A full advanced F-15C module from ED would be a first day buy on prelaunch. I would buy from any 3rd party also but not a prelaunch buy there. There is already buttons and knobs that move when you press the key combination for them. For instance the fuel knob.

[SDsc0rch]

they most certainly should - we need all of the teen models

 

 

 

and for sure.. they should indeed try their very best to "simulate every single system" (as much as possible - i'm aware the A-10 and F-18 haven't modeled every system either - you get what i mean...)

[SonofEil]

‘Eagle upgraded to full module’ was on the unofficial roadmap for a few years, wasn’t it? Am I misremembering that or was it removed? Didn’t a forum member also find that all of the cockpit switches were actually animated, but the animations aren’t enabled in-game? There was speculation at that time that behind the scenes work was being done to bring the Eagle up to full module standard. Again this was all like 5+ years ago.

It’d be an instant purchase for me too but I’m also not holding my breath.

 

Edit: Found the cockpit animations.

Edited December 19, 2018 by SonofEil

[DmitriKozlowsky]

F-15C and F-15E use AN/APG-63/70 radar family. AN/APG-63(V)3 is latest generation AESA radar for F-15C and F-15SG (Singapore).

 

-68 family is F-16C/D radar.

 

Both have AESA upgrades. Very likely all active F-15C have -(V) AESA upgraded 63/70 radars, and most of Air National Guard.

 

US doctrine uses ANG F-15C and F-16C/D squadrons for air sovereignty , air police role, DCA and training US, NATO, and allied crews . While active squadrons are organized under expeditionary wings for rapid deployment. Their training emphasizes OCA and air dominance DCA missions.

ANG and Active USAF F-15E train for air-ground mission with secondary OCA and DCA roles for self-escort and air policing.

 

All of those sets are classified. I would be surprised if current radar model of F-15C in DCS is later then 1979, and most of that performance is estimated.

Edited December 19, 2018 by DmitriKozlowsky

[wilbur81]

+1

 

I'd take an Albino over the Mudhen any day!

[Eagle7907]

F-15C v3.0??

 

‘Eagle upgraded to full module’ was on the unofficial roadmap for a few years, wasn’t it? Am I misremembering that or was it removed? Didn’t a forum member also find that all of the cockpit switches were actually animated, but the animations aren’t enabled in-game? There was speculation at that time that behind the scenes work was being done to bring the Eagle up to full module standard. Again this was all like 5+ years ago.

It’d be an instant purchase for me too but I’m also not holding my breath.

 

Edit: Found the cockpit animations.

 

 

 

Now this is disappointing. With all the animations made, to me that says they hit some sort of road block to finish it. Me thinks there is a greater power stopping ED. That’s like stopping halfway to paint a masterpiece.

 

 

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Edited December 19, 2018 by Eagle7907

[DmitriKozlowsky]

F-15C and F-15E will be in service until 2040.

New weapons such as AIM-120D and its replacement, AIM-9X-Block2. New mission and weapon for anti-satellite work. Tactical airborne laser.

[NoJoy]

There is an F-15E in dev right now.

 

Makes me wet dreams...do you have any more facts and information about that?

[sLYFa]

https://www.facebook.com/RazbamSims/photos/a.316309961788982/1948182498601712/?type=3&theater

[NoJoy]

SSSSSSSSTRIKEeagle!

[Pasquale1986]

Makes me wet dreams...do you have any more facts and information about that?

 

To further add to the wetness

 

 

 

[Horns]

F-15C and F-15E will be in service until 2040.

New weapons such as AIM-120D and its replacement, AIM-9X-Block2. New mission and weapon for anti-satellite work. Tactical airborne laser.

 

You forgot the hyperdrive :P

[Sierra99]

because the AN/APG-68 radar is still classified.

 

On one hand...I agree with this statement...no matter how cool it would be to have the late latest and greatest tech available to the military available in game...we don't want to give away secrets...

 

Now that being said...

 

I think there are a lot of things people default to "It's Classified" that while truly and honestly classified in the real world...can be simulated in the game quit nicely with giving away a single secret.

 

For example..DCS Simple Radio simulates the KY-58 secure voice system. It simulate the chirps and static and basic operation quite nicely in my opinion having used the real thing during my career...How they are simulating this is as magical to me as the real one...but there is nothing classified about it. They are using unclasssified code to simulate what the real KY-58 does. Nothing more.

 

The same can be done with the radar. We already simulate radar. Our computers aren't creating radio waves in the GHz range and bouncing them around inside the screen looking for targets. It's simulated. There are capabilities associated with the radar that can be simulated just as easily.

 

For example, the fact the F-15 C has NCTR is not a secret. How it " works" in real life is probably classified as hell...but the fact it exists isn't a secret. We can simulate NCTR using code that has nothing to do with how the real system works in the real plane. No security issue.

 

I think the key is what is available open source to work from.

[CarbonFox]

Very curious to see how RAZBAM simulates the APG-70. Also still wondering if it will be based on the early MudHen with the F-15C engines or the later with the upgraded F100-PW-229 engines.

[Jarlerus]

Very curious to see how RAZBAM simulates the APG-70. Also still wondering if it will be based on the early MudHen with the F-15C engines or the later with the upgraded F100-PW-229 engines.

 

 

Check this.

[Commodore]

Now this is disappointing. With all the animations made, to me that says they hit some sort of road block to finish it. Me thinks there is a greater power stopping ED. That’s like stopping halfway to paint a masterpiece.

 

I don’t know if anyone is necessarily stopping them. ED seems to have a good enough relationship with Boeing already.

Warning: Speculation Ensues!!

My guess is the roadblock they hit (if they were even attempting to upgrade it in the first place) was the rudimentary state of the radar and the amount of investment at the time that it would require to bring it up to ED’s full module standard.

Radar and its integration with other systems has been, continues to be, and will be for the foreseeable future, a massive aspect of F-18 development. They’ve also repeatedly said that it’s one of the very foundational techs for future modules. Presumably the advancements ED’s made with the F-18 are what’s allowing them to be so optimistic about a 2019 F-16 release (color me skeptical though).

But if they have, or have ever had, plans for an Eagle upgrade, I think the chances for it increase significantly once ED is comfortable with the state of their current radar development.

/speculation