Steve Gee Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 With Modern Air Combat planned as a standalone product with dedicated server, will FC3 be absorbed by it and on the MAC servers only, putting all survey planes together or will it remain available on DCS World servers, away from MAC's deployment, whenever that may be? "These are NOT 1 to 1 replicas of the real aircraft, there are countless compromises made on each of them" - Senior ED Member Modules - Damn near all of them (no Christian Eagle or Yak) System - i7-12700K, 64Gig DDR4 3200 RAM, RTX-3080, 3 32" monitors at 5760 x 1080, default settings of High (minor tweaks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simfan2019 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Indeed quite ... confusing ! Hi, I bought the latest issue @ pocketmags.com with Matt's interview. What is real clear is that MAC and DCS World will be *seperate* products. Matt mentions a kind of "overseer" system above both -or- what I guess would be the COMMON parts!? Anyway, what if we don't buy MAC but stick with FC3 ? Will FC3 planes be upgraded as the MAC counterparts may ? What about the enhanced-"modern 2019" UI, the new missions and kind of Editor and/or better mission generator ... will that (eventually?) become part of DCS World as well ?? I do trust ED not to leave DCS World with the older version, not MAC Enhanced version. I don't know (not mentioned) whether the Mission/Campagin Editor will make it into MAC and if so, whether that too would be a new (but maybe simplified) version. I hope more people buy the magazine issue, if only to learn more/get an opinion on and about "MAC". BTW PCPilot is incredible ... like the article where the (DCS-) Spitfire is compared with the many other PC Games/Sims featuring it). Regards, Stefaan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Gee Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 I have it myself, good read but it made no mention of what I'm asking. Therefore, the question of if FC3 will be removed from DCS World and meshed with MAC. :) "These are NOT 1 to 1 replicas of the real aircraft, there are countless compromises made on each of them" - Senior ED Member Modules - Damn near all of them (no Christian Eagle or Yak) System - i7-12700K, 64Gig DDR4 3200 RAM, RTX-3080, 3 32" monitors at 5760 x 1080, default settings of High (minor tweaks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goa Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 well no way FC3 will be removed, I bought FC3 to be played within DCS world not within another non exisiting game/platform. CPU : Intel i7 8700k@5.0ghz cooled by Noctua NH-D15 / Motherboard:Asorck Z370 Taichi / RAM: 32GB GSkill TridentZ @3600mhz / SSD: 500GB Nvme Samsung 970 evo+1 TB Sabrent Nvme M2 / GPU:Asus Strix OC 2080TI / Monitor: LG 34KG950F Ultrawide / Trackir 5 proclip/ VIRPIL CM2 BASE + CM2 GRIP + F148 GRIP + 200M EXTENSION /VKB T-Rudder MKIV rudder /Case: Fractal Design R6 Define black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiJack Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 MAC will be that same product as FC3 was. I am absolutely sure they will not split DCS World up in different products that are not compatible with each other. That would be the mistake of the century if they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert31178 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Agree with HiJack, why would ED absorb BST and then put their modules on another game? This provides an FC3 style game for the people who can't be bothered to learn AC like others in the community, and also targeting a new audience. They are all modules a lot of people already have which would make the community grow; we already have full fidelity planes vs FC3 grade planes online, why short yourself a huge market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolve03 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 There was a post by Nineline on a separate thread... https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3747310&postcount=16 One of the important points was that MAC will have separate smaller maps (NineLine did say that he was not 100% sure on that). Considering that... MAC and DCS:W may not really work together. Then you have the obvious debate on how MAC-level and DCS-level modules of the same airplane would compare to each other. Currently, it's on the mission makers to specify the aircraft and maps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boedha68 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Well i hope ED integrate it on DCS as originally planned as a module. Later in time? :D New system:I9-9900KS, Kingston 128 GB DDR4 3200Mhz, MSI RTX 4090, Corsair H150 Pro RGB, 2xSamsung 970 EVO 2Tb, 2xsamsung 970 EVO 1 TB, Scandisk m2 500 MB, 2 x Crucial 1 Tb, T16000M HOTAS, HP Reverb Professional 2, Corsair 750 Watt. Old system:I7-4770K(OC 4.5Ghz), Kingston 24 GB DDR3 1600 Mhz,MSI RTX 2080(OC 2070 Mhz), 2 * 500 GB SSD, 3,5 TB HDD, 55' Samsung 3d tv, Trackir 5, Logitech HD Cam, T16000M HOTAS. All DCS modules, maps and campaigns:pilotfly: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris_CRO Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I think FC3 will be removed from the market and those planes would be absorbed in MAC. You will still have all of your planes. They will be upgraded as before. Just you would not have whole MAC planeset. mag.iur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessuno0505 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 NineLine have said somewhere here on the forum that MAC will be both a DCS module, just like FC3 is now, and a separate product. So maybe you can just buy MAC if you are a new player, or upgrade DCS FC3 to MAC and keep playing as now. He also said "more info when available", so we just have to wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen912 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 What was their latest feedback for the release planning ? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Gee Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 What was their latest feedback for the release planning ? Thanks Haven't really seen any. I think there's enough going on right now (F-14, MiG-19) that they've got more important things on the burners for a bit. We'll find out some time this year, I'm sure. :) "These are NOT 1 to 1 replicas of the real aircraft, there are countless compromises made on each of them" - Senior ED Member Modules - Damn near all of them (no Christian Eagle or Yak) System - i7-12700K, 64Gig DDR4 3200 RAM, RTX-3080, 3 32" monitors at 5760 x 1080, default settings of High (minor tweaks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert31178 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Whoa Steve, don't forget the CEII :megalol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Gee Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 While I'll end up getting MAC, if nothing else to support the franchise, I do hope that the improvements we've seen over the past year, such as that lovely version of the Kuznetsov, make their way into the FC3/DCS World as well. "These are NOT 1 to 1 replicas of the real aircraft, there are countless compromises made on each of them" - Senior ED Member Modules - Damn near all of them (no Christian Eagle or Yak) System - i7-12700K, 64Gig DDR4 3200 RAM, RTX-3080, 3 32" monitors at 5760 x 1080, default settings of High (minor tweaks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted January 22, 2019 ED Team Share Posted January 22, 2019 FC3 will be absorbed into MAC, although you should still be able to play those aircraft in DCS as before. I am not sure how it will all work in the end, if there will be a MAC tab, or if each aircraft will be listed separately in DCS. I am sure we will see more info on this as we get closer and they start showing off the first release. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Whoa Steve, don't forget the CEII :megalol: They need to add brick throwing capability for it so it fits into DCS New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svsmokey Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 They need to add brick throwing capability for it so it fits into DCS Don't hit your prop ! :) 9700k @ stock , Aorus Pro Z390 wifi , 32gb 3200 mhz CL16 , 1tb EVO 970 , MSI RX 6800XT Gaming X TRIO , Seasonic Prime 850w Gold , Coolermaster H500m , Noctua NH-D15S , CH Pro throttle and T50CM2/WarBrD base on Foxxmounts , CH pedals , Reverb G2v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcosseFlyer Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Well going by what Matt said in current PC Pilot interview, MAC is a totally seperate entity, and both "MAC and DCS will operate as unique apps within the Simulation Operating System" . I'm guessing that's an overall umbrella type thing that contains everything from ED. I think it makes sense to seperate totally MAC for the people that enjoy simplified aircraft, using it possibly as stepping stone into the higher fidelity modules in DCS. I always thought that the FC3 module was a bit of an unloved child of the DCS franchise. Saying that I still think it will be popular, not with existing players, but with new players which is what Matt alluded to in the interview. Whether or not the current FC3 module will still be available within DCS is another matter once MAC is released, but personally Im interested in getting MAC despite owning a few DCS modules currently. Wookie My Rig: AMD Ryzen 3600XT@4.4GHz+ || MSI B450 Tomahawk Max || MSI RTX 2060 Gaming Z || 32GB Corsair Vengance DDR4 RAM@3200 || 32" Monitor || Win 10 Home || TM Warthog HOTAS || Logitech ProFlight Pedals || TrackHat Clip || Rift S Modules: A-10C & A-10C II || KA-50 2 & 3 || FC3 || CA || UH-1H || AV-8B || L-39 || F-86F || F-5 II || Mi-8 || M-2000C || F/A-18 || SA-342 || Super Carrier || F-14A/B || AH-64D Maps: Caucasus || NTTR || Persian Gulf || Marianas || Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I think it makes sense to seperate totally MAC for the people that enjoy simplified aircraft, using it possibly as stepping stone into the higher fidelity modules in DCS. I always thought that the FC3 module was a bit of an unloved child of the DCS franchise. Same BS all over again. No, FC3 is not only for newbies. It's for those of us, that want to fly the aircraft that are included there. It's not like we have a choice. FC3 has PFM - that matters the most, so it is fully qualified to exist within DCS World. I get it if someone feels overwhelmed with HiFi Mig-21 so buys MAC instead. But what if you want HiFi Mig-29? Yeah, not much options, FC3 only. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessuno0505 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) Moreover, a lot of online air to air events are played with FC3 planes. Nevertheless, now that we have m2000c, f/a-18, f-14 and will have f-16 and f-15e full fidelity, I think it's a good idea to separate simplified simulation from the hardcore one. We should have at least one eastern full fidelity 4th gen fighter to be fully satisfied of this choice, but I've always seen FC3 planes as something a bit different from full fidelity DCS modules, so I think it's a good idea to separate. If I did not own FC3, I would not be interested in MAC, but as a FC3 owner, I hope my FC3 could be easily upgraded to MAC, ending with two different products with different purposes. In this scenario, it would not be a bad idea to completely remove game mode from DCS, leaving it only as an option for MAC players. Edited January 23, 2019 by nessuno0505 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sylkhan Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 The futur : DCS : hardcore sim MAC : survey sim 2 separate products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted January 23, 2019 ED Team Share Posted January 23, 2019 Moreover, a lot of online air to air events are played with FC3 planes. Nevertheless, now that we have m2000c, f/a-18, f-14 and will have f-16 and f-15e full fidelity, I think it's a good idea to separate simplified simulation from the hardcore one. We should have at least one eastern full fidelity 4th gen fighter to be fully satisfied of this choice, but I've always seen FC3 planes as something a bit different from full fidelity DCS modules, so I think it's a good idea to separate. If I did not own FC3, I would not be interested in MAC, but as a FC3 owner, I hope my FC3 could be easily upgraded to MAC, ending with two different products with different purposes. In this scenario, it would not be a bad idea to completely remove game mode from DCS, leaving it only as an option for MAC players. MAC and DCS are still compatible through Multiplayer. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted January 23, 2019 ED Team Share Posted January 23, 2019 Same BS all over again. No, FC3 is not only for newbies. It's for those of us, that want to fly the aircraft that are included there. It's not like we have a choice. FC3 has PFM - that matters the most, so it is fully qualified to exist within DCS World. I get it if someone feels overwhelmed with HiFi Mig-21 so buys MAC instead. But what if you want HiFi Mig-29? Yeah, not much options, FC3 only. FC3 and in the future MAC are meant for people that either are new to flight sims, don't have time for or desire for the more complex full simulations, and those that simply enjoy those aircraft offered with that pack. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Gee Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 …..Whether or not the current FC3 module will still be available within DCS is another matter once MAC is released..... The 64 dollar question, right here. Maybe we'll here more as MAC's debut, whenever that may be, draws closer. "These are NOT 1 to 1 replicas of the real aircraft, there are countless compromises made on each of them" - Senior ED Member Modules - Damn near all of them (no Christian Eagle or Yak) System - i7-12700K, 64Gig DDR4 3200 RAM, RTX-3080, 3 32" monitors at 5760 x 1080, default settings of High (minor tweaks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Joker Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 As we haven't one a single 4th gen red fighter, my opinion is that ED must bring us first a full fidelity Su-27, Su-33 and MiG-29, then they could split all they want. Playing a sim to sim hypotetic and not historical accurate conflict between fighters that never fought eachother is not really much "hardcore" from my perspective. Sorry for my bad English. https://www.youtube.com/user/garaganotube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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