Mouse cockpit in VR

[mak77]

I'm trying to use a mouse in VR to operate the cockpit, but unfortunately I find it quite difficult. Problem is that in addition to a mouse, the cursor is being moved by head movement too. This makes it difficult to operate any switches, butons, knobs in VR.

 

I found this video:

 

 

Which shows how this could be handled.

 

Any idea how to achieve such a behavior in DCS?

Edited October 12, 2020 by mak77

[hansangb]

I'm trying to use a mouse in VR to operate the cockpit, but unfortunately I find it quite difficult. Problem is that in addition to a mouse, the cursor is being moved by head movement too. This makes it difficult to operate any switches, butons, knobs in VR.

 

I found this video:

 

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Which shows how this could be handled.

 

Any idea how to achieve such a behavior in DCS?

 

Fixing the YT link. IF you want to use the YOUTUBE, option, you don't need to put https://www... part

 

 

 

 

Also, I think it was just a proposal. Finally, have a look at the parent thread for New VR Pointing Device

Edited October 11, 2020 by hansangb

[DerekSpeare]

The mouse cursor needs to be decoupled from the head look. Seriously, ED, can you folks do some QOL improvements for us VR users?

 

 

NB: I use a mouse on the right and a trackball on the left. It helps...though the solution above is what's really needed.

[stormrider]

Agreed. This has been asked too many times and still had not been acknowledged. This needs to fixed.

[Taz1004]

+1

 

You somewhat get used to most cockpit controls but this is still extremely painful when making a lot of usage out of Datalink and ABRIS on Ka-50. You have to look at ABRIS on bottom right of the dash and press button with Datalink panel on top left of the cockpit. Keep turning head up and down is painful.

 

Doesn't this happen on TrackIR too?

Edited October 12, 2020 by Taz1004

[Dunx]

+1

[mak77]

Fixing the YT link. IF you want to use the YOUTUBE, option, you don't need to put https://www... part

 

 

Also, I think it was just a proposal. Finally, have a look at the parent thread for New VR Pointing Device

 

Thanks for correcting the video link mate. I couldn't get it to work in my post, so I left generic URL. Anyways, back to the topic...

 

New VR Pointing Device looks great, but this is not a solution for everyone. Simple solution is to detach mouse movement from the head movement - as an option or default behavior. Shouldn't be too difficult to implement it.

 

In the same time ED could do (optional?) real toggle switches for VR Zoom and VR Spyglass. I described it here https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=288631

 

 

These are two small things that would make DCS VR experience much better :).

[Headwarp]

Fixing the YT link. IF you want to use the YOUTUBE, option, you don't need to put https://www... part

 

 

 

 

Also, I think it was just a proposal. Finally, have a look at the parent thread for New VR Pointing Device

 

 

Wwhen creating or quoting a post or all you have to do is hit the youtube button up top towards the right and insert the part after "watch?v=" from the url between the command line it creates.. in this case buQ-gLVxrdI {YOUTUBE}buQ-gLVxrdI{/YOUTUBE}

 

Except I replaced the brackets with { to show my example, pressing the youtube button enters the correct command.

 

When editing your own post or using "q:reply" you can access this via the go advanced button, which lets you have all the posting controls.

 

 

 

Edited October 12, 2020 by Headwarp

[mak77]

Honestly, when creating or quoting a post or all you have to do is hit the youtube button up top towards the right and insert the part after the =.. in this case buQ-gLVxrd {YOUTUBE}buQ-gLVxrd{/YOUTUBE}

 

Except I replaced the brackets with { to show my example.

 

If you click "q:reply" you can access this via the go advanced button.

 

 

Well, maybe that is the theory ;). I tried that as well, as it is the case on some forums using older engines or plugins. But - as you can see also from your posts - it is not working.

[SGT Coyle]

Make "De-coupling" an option. I like love the coupled mouse cursor. I made a little, four button control pad I attached to my throttle. Right, Left, and scroll Forward/Back mouse buttons. Works like a charm, and I can't play VR without it.

 

 

"Quality of Life" changes should include more options for the player.

[Ala12Rv-Tundra]

Make "De-coupling" an option. I like love the coupled mouse cursor. I made a little, four button control pad I attached to my throttle. Right, Left, and scroll Forward/Back mouse buttons. Works like a charm, and I can't play VR without it.

 

 

"Quality of Life" changes should include more options for the player.

Sir, do you have a picture of your throttle, for ideas?

[Adam]

Agreed. This has been asked too many times and still had not been acknowledged. This needs to fixed.

 

This ^^^^

 

If it's one of those "sounds simple but due to structure is very complex to implement" - that's cool - at least acknowledging we've at least been heard and saying so would be appreciated -so we know that we've at least been heard and there's a reason why it hasn't been implemented as opposed to silence which gives the appearance of "we don't care, and we're not listening" when it comes to this subject.

[SGT Coyle]

Sir, do you have a picture of your throttle, for ideas?

Check this

Not exactly pretty, but it works.

[Sr.]

Make "De-coupling" an option. I like love the coupled mouse cursor. I made a little, four button control pad I attached to my throttle. Right, Left, and scroll Forward/Back mouse buttons. Works like a charm, and I can't play VR without it.

 

 

"Quality of Life" changes should include more options for the player.

 

I like it too. Since I started using VoiceAttack I was able to free up one button for left click. Now I just look, cursor is usually on or very close to the OSB I want.

 

For a while, this was my weapons control. https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=280403

 

I supposed it could be re-added if only for the analog stick and a few buttons.

Edited October 13, 2020 by Sr.

[mak77]

Check this

Not exactly pretty, but it works.

 

 

And cursor movement is with the head movement only?

[Dunx]

Check this

Not exactly pretty, but it works.

 

Very interesting, thank you for the inspiriation sire. Unfortunately, I'm struggling to replicate.

 

How do you navigate the comms menus using the Up and Down arrow keys?

 

Also, I have tried toggling the vr mouse cursor but it is hidden when my head moves over the comms menu. Where should I look to get the mouse cursor to highlight menu options?

[Ala12Rv-Tundra]

Check this

Not exactly pretty, but it works.

That´s mega brilliant. Did you consider adding a 5-pin mini joystick to move the mouse?

[SGT Coyle]

And cursor movement is with the head movement only?

 

Yes, I disabled mouse and hand controllers in DCS Settings.

 

 

How do you navigate the comms menus using the Up and Down arrow keys?

 

Also, I have tried toggling the vr mouse cursor but it is hidden when my head moves over the comms menu. Where should I look to get the mouse cursor to highlight menu options?

Comms is navigated by looking at selection and left clicking.

 

 

That´s mega brilliant. Did you consider adding a 5-pin mini joystick to move the mouse?

 

 

I don't want to use the mouse in VR. I wanted a way to make interaction with cockpit as seamless as possible, and trying to manipulate a thing on a thing, was not really going to make life easier. On the WartHog you can easily turn the mini stick into a 4-way hat that will do the same thing, but I like that for TDC and such.

 

Thanks,

If anyone wants more info send me a PM.

[jacob12342]

Is there an option to freeze or pause the VR headset? This is what I used with TIR. I mapped a button on my HOTAS so I could pause head movement. While it was paused, I mouse around over the switches and nobs, then quickly unpause the headset to go about my business looking around. Using the wands is not an option, and even if you have a button box, there are some things you need to do in VR.

 

To be clear, the pause mapping is an option in the TIR software. So it would probably have to be implemented by the VR hardware manufacturer? What a pisser.

[Ala12Rv-Tundra]

Is there an option to freeze or pause the VR headset? This is what I used with TIR. I mapped a button on my HOTAS so I could pause head movement. While it was paused, I mouse around over the switches and nobs, then quickly unpause the headset to go about my business looking around. Using the wands is not an option, and even if you have a button box, there are some things you need to do in VR.

 

To be clear, the pause mapping is an option in the TIR software. So it would probably have to be implemented by the VR hardware manufacturer? What a pisser.

 

I'm afraid that would lead to motion sickness

[jacob12342]

 

I'm afraid that would lead to motion sickness

 

Not if you are looking down in the cockpit and licking stationary buttons and switches. A small slice of of the outside world in your periphery is not going to cause vertigo if you are using the freeze function as intended.

[Svsmokey]

Must say i don't get the repeated calls for decoupling . I like it the way it is although i have no problem with decoupling being an Option . But i do not think it would be as simple as some would think , and i anticipate posts from users saying "can't reach switch xyz on the side console with mouse cursor" upon implementation .

[M1Combat]

I'll put my hat in this ring too... would be SUPER good if the mouse cursor did NOT move with the head in the cockpit.

 

 

[Waxi]

I would also highly appreciate an option to decouple head movement from mouse cursor movement in VR.

[Motomouse]

I was not aware at all anymore that it does move with head as well. I have adapted to using it that way. When I observe myself consciously I register how I use head and mouse in combo to reach the controls in a most efficent way. Normally I do this subconsciously. But I dont mind an option for those who like it differently.