DCS: F-15C

[D4n]

Isnt a different poll better to get data and to possibly convince ED?

 

"How much would you be willing to pay for a full fidelity F-15C?

45-49$

50-54$

55-59$

60+ $ "

Edited December 7, 2020 by DanielNL

[LCO489]

 Voted yes, but i think if with the F-15E arrival would it be capable to perform air-to-air just like the F-15 or no?

[killkenny1]

1 hour ago, Agrrregat said:

I'd rather take clickable Sukhoi than F-15 or any new Blue jet. Maybe Su-27 / 30 / or 34 will be the best.

 

Me too, but unfortunately it's not happening...

 

14 hours ago, Wizard_03 said:

They are making an F-4 but I mean F-15 is about as Cold War as you can get IMO. That is literally it’s design inspiration, Cold War gone hot scenario. At least for the 1980s.

 

But As for Vietnam era aircraft literally none of the current aircraft in DCS fit into it, the MiG-15 is too early the 19 is not the right version (yet) and the 21 is too late. F-5E is too late as well. Even the UH-1 is post Vietnam. F-4E will be the only one that is truly from that war. We can pretend though. but in fact we don’t have the right assets. 

 

A late 80s early 90s F-15 actually fits what we have now much better. And if the MiG-29A actually happens like they said, then that will also work very well. 

 

MiG-29A would better work with F-16A.

[jaguara5]

Day 1 buy . 

[Northstar98]

I would say yes, but it'll probably end up being another post 2000s era BLUFOR aircraft that fits absolutely nothing else but other BLUFOR aircraft.

 

The assets in DCS, that aren't WWII are overwhelmingly mid-to-late Cold War stuff, with the newest stuff being from the early 90s (only notable exceptions is arguably the Arleigh-Burke and Nimitz-Roosevelt class, as well as the CAP ships and a small number of tanks).

 

Problem is, there's only a small handful of appropriate modules for that era.

 

Unfortunately it seems like the majority are only interested in the latest and greatest, and while that's fine in and of itself, it's been established that getting peer contemporaries is a no go, with the best possible being 80s era initial production variants. That and the fact that we have very little in the way of modern assets means that if people want to setup a mission that has historically consistent units among peer adversaries, it's going to be pretty difficult - you essentially have a sandbox without much sand in it.

  

 

As for newer variants paving the way for older stuff? I'll have to see it to really accept it, though I guess ED are going to eventually back themselves into a corner if that ends up happening.

 

[draconus]

18 hours ago, DanielNL said:

How much would you be willing to pay for a full fidelity F-15C?

$80+ for really good and full fidelity version

[Dragon1-1]

I'd pay as much as for any other modern FF module. Whether that's full price or waiting until it's half off depends on how good a job they'd do (and the state of my finances ).

[bart]

On 12/6/2020 at 5:17 AM, Jester986 said:

For the love of all things aviation, PLEASE no more gen4 blufor. F-16, F-18, F-15E, Typhoon, and probably whatever the secret module is. Enough.

 

This 100%

 

I feel I have enough with the great all rounder, the Hornet. I would prefer if they spent a little more time on DCS WW2 and flesh out different eras in WW2, both European and Pacific areas, or even 1950's Korean war era to 1970's Vietnam. What we have now in DCS WW2 is a mix match of aircraft which are heavily in favour of the axis side (Bf109 K4 late war with MW50 Vs a 1942/43 Mk IX Spitfire springs to mind) making multiplayer interesting to say the least. I'm really looking forward to the Mosquito Mk VI but I fear this will just be more bait for the Bf109 K4 UFO version.......

Edited December 8, 2020 by bart

[unknown]

I voted no, because i'm personally not interested in any F-15 model and wouldn't buy any F-15 model. Also i think the EF2K will be my last Blue Fighter, i have enough of them in my hangar. I'm looking for more Helicopters(MI-24/MI-28/AH-64) and RED planes(Gen4/3), also for some more mud-moving planes(A-6/FF Su-25/24).

[Evoman]

On 12/5/2020 at 8:54 PM, will- said:

mind linking where you found this info?

 

It was mentioned in this Q&A interview with ED at question #55 at 1:36:30.

I recommend everyone to hear this entire interview to be more up to date.

 

 

[Wizard_03]

On 12/7/2020 at 7:39 AM, DanielNL said:

Isnt a different poll better to get data and to possibly convince ED?

 

"How much would you be willing to pay for a full fidelity F-15C?

45-49$

50-54$

55-59$

60+ $ "

 

I mean I'd pay whatever for one personally, but For the sake of Argument, Say 40 Bucks US for the Module outright and 30 discount at release if you already own the FC3 version. Since its really only an AA platform with limited dumb bomb capability. Shouldn't need to be EPIC module status like the hornet or viper. The FM is already done and that is the most time intensive part of development, just need to implement systems. Many of which already "work" under the hood right now like Electrical and Hydro, but just don't have any interactivity.

 

The weapons and sensors shouldn't present a huge Hurdle either as the Hornet has largely paved the way for complex code integration. But pretty much all of those systems are legacy LOMAC, and need complete reworks. At this point it should be fairly straight forward, I would imagine. I.E. no technology needs to be invented for this module.

 

IMHO it's low hanging fruit for ED and there is absolutely a market for it, which is what I'm trying to show them with this Poll.

Edited December 9, 2020 by Wizard_03

[sparrow88]

These polls are useless. Most people will always click yes for a new aircraft.

[Tom Kazansky]

22 minutes ago, sparrow88 said:

These polls are useless. Most people will always click yes for a new aircraft.

That's a valid point. The difference between yes's and no's and the amount of the votes can be interpreted though imho.

[Scofflaw]

I would probably buy it because I buy most modules, but if I'm in the mood for AA, the 16 and 18 can scratch that itch pretty good.  I don't really need another platform to launch AIM-120s.

 

I would only be excited about a high fidelity AA-only platform if it was redfor. 

[Wizard_03]

I made the poll because I want the F-15C in DCS and I wanted to see if others felt the same.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

7 minutes ago, Wizard_03 said:

I made the poll because I want the F-15C in DCS and I wanted to see if others felt the same.

Since I'm a 95% A-A person in DCS, yes I'd definitely buy and fly it.
But I also buy most modules, because I want to support the developers in this niche genre, and I'm always curious about the handling characteristics (the latter in this case can be fulfilled by FC3 I know).

[Wizard_03]

On 12/7/2020 at 7:22 AM, WinterH said:

NOPE!

 

Would much prefer either something older, or something at least different. We already at least have FC3 F-15C, an F-15E is coming, sim is getting chockfull of later 4th gen and more so the blue fighters. Honestly I'd sooner buy another aerobatics plane instead.

 

We still have that amazing late F-4E that got canned for Meh-16 Boring Falcon not taken back into development... another low hanging fruit before it would be... sad.

I mean you could say the exact same thing to people that want the MI-24, "you already have the KA-50 and MI-8, why do you need ANOTHER red heli" The answer is because they want the Hind too. I don't understand why we can't have both.

 

I want the F-15C simply because it was and still is the primer AA fighter in the USAF for decades. It's just the history that appeals to me. Would I also buy a MiG-29A/S/UB, or an SU-27S/30MKK?? Absolutely, but I still want the F-15C, and I KNOWN ED can make it happen.

Edited December 9, 2020 by Wizard_03

[WinterH]

16 minutes ago, Wizard_03 said:

I mean you could say the exact same thing to people that want the MI-24, "you already have the KA-50, why do you need ANOTHER red attack heli" The answer is because they want the Hind too. I don't understand why we can't have both.

That's a pretty huge stretch of an argument though. We have a grand sum of 1 red attack heli, compared to about half a million blue fighters  We also have a pretty functional F-15C with a great flight model, and a mostly adequate weapons/systems model. Also a full fidelity F-15E is in works. We have no Mi-24 of any sort. So yeah, I don't see how this example follows.

Like I have said, it would be super sad if F-4E would get the short stick once again for another low hanging fruit module, especially one that already in sim at FC3 level, and a full fidelity module of another version is coming as well. Or indeed many other things that can be done. Would it be cool eventually? Yeah, but there's a lot more that would be nicer to add before that in my opinion.

Now, if it was an F-15A, or earlier F-15C, I could be interested, as I tend like oldie cold war birds more, and also it'd make for a more interesting 80s matchup with some other existing birds. But I'd be in the minority for it, and I can see majority stomping their feet at the suggestion.

Edited December 9, 2020 by WinterH

[Wizard_03]

2 minutes ago, WinterH said:

Like I have said, it would be super sad if F-4E would get the short stick once again for another low hanging fruit module, especially one that already in sim at FC3 level, and a full fidelity module of another version is coming as well. Or indeed many other things that can be done. Would it be cool eventually? Yeah, but there's a lot more that would be nicer to add before that in my opinion.

Why do you need the F-4E, you've got the F-14A, and F-5E? They're making the A-7, and F-8 Too? Same reasoning.

[WinterH]

1 minute ago, Wizard_03 said:

Why do you need the F-4E, you've got the F-14A, and F-5E? They're making the A-7, and F-8 Too? Same reasoning.

Ahhh... yeah... right, touché 

[Northstar98]

8 minutes ago, WinterH said:

Now, if it was an F-15A, or earlier F-15C, I could be interested, as I tend like oldie cold war birds more, and also it'd make for a more interesting 80s matchup with some other existing birds. But I'd be in the minority for it, and I can see majority stomping their feet at the suggestion.

 

Definitely agreed, I think my sweetspot is between the late 60s to early 90s. 

 

And yes it's kinda disappointing; especially when contemporary full-fidelity REDFOR is a complete non-starter past the 80s (the best we can probably hope for is the initial production 9.12 Fulcrum A), and the fact that the overwhelming majority of assets are mid-to-late Cold War, and there are barely any that fit the 2000+ timeframe of our BLUFOR modules.

 

Plus if we had an earlier F-16 (A any block to C Block 40) it would probably be feature complete by now.

Edited December 9, 2020 by Northstar98

[dfpoor]

On 12/6/2020 at 2:36 AM, Dragon1-1 said:

I wouldn't mind an F-15C. The avionics are actually a little bit more bare-bones than those of the F-16, with just one MFD and most of the gauges being analog. It's closer to an early Gen4, and we do need more of those. Plus, BalticDragon has a brilliant campaign for the F-15C, and I'd love to fly it in a full-fidelity module.

 

BTW, "not a pound for air to ground" is a little misleading, it can carry dumb bombs and strafe with the gun, and it does have an AG radar mode to facilitate that. It's not very good in that role, but in a pinch, it could do it.

The FC3 F15 is a dominant fighter and a joy to fly.  Of course I want a FF version.  Was not aware of that campaign, thanks for mentioning it.  I have not flown AG in the Eagle also.  I suppose it is a little like the A10A and F4E without missiles.

We have Warbirds, Korea jets, post 9/11 jets.  Eventually, they are going to cover the Cold War.  As the backbone of the USAF for 20 years, the F15C has to be included.  I also want something assymetrical to oppose it, Flogger, Foxbat, Fulcrum-A.  But I prefer Belsimtek to make red jets, I'm not sure 3rd parties can pull them off.

[Wizard_03]

An 80s F-15 would be fantastic. IMO too. Really any Eagle with clicky cockpit.

[Scofflaw]

I'm not trolling, just curious - aside from aircraft/engine/radar performance, can the F-15C do anything the F/A-18C can't?  Any unique/different radar modes or weapons?

[Northstar98]

9 minutes ago, Scofflaw said:

I'm not trolling, just curious - aside from aircraft/engine/radar performance, can the F-15C do anything the F/A-18C can't?  Any unique/different radar modes or weapons?

 

No, but then again if you ignore the airframe/engine/RADAR performance, there's almost no aircraft currently in DCS that can do anything the F/A-18C can't in terms of mission capability.

Edited December 9, 2020 by Northstar98