Lyrode Posted June 28, 2023 Posted June 28, 2023 16小时前，Exorcet说： For the same reason ED risked people choosing between the Hornet and Viper or 190 A/D. Selling both makes more money than selling one. Some people are going to purchase both, not just choose between them. You see they are from ED, not two seperate teams, so at last they get all the money. If F-15C and F-15E come from two different teams, it's an different story. The business isn't just about what you can offer, but also what your competitors can offer. Take Pepsi and Coke for an example. Besides, F-16 and F-18 are essentially different planes but C and E are sub-variants. Different but not so different in the laymen's eyes, and not every DCS consumer is a professional so expert to read the performance charts, after all it's a game for civillian use mainly. Yes many would buy a F-15C regardless, but many would just pick one more versitile and offers more content too. Anyway let's keep talking to make this thread grow, in case Eagle catches more attention and someone make it real. I'd be way more happier to be proved wrong tbh.
draconus Posted June 28, 2023 Posted June 28, 2023 5 hours ago, Lyrode said: Besides, F-16 and F-18 are essentially different planes but C and E are sub-variants. Sometimes variants differ so much they are essentially different aircraft with different roles, even when they look alike. That's the case here. Air superiority, fighter sweep, CAP, ESCORT, BVR, dogfight - it all belongs to the C. 1 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Raven (Elysian Angel) Posted June 28, 2023 Posted June 28, 2023 If anything, the release of the -E and how good it is makes people want the -C even more I know I do! 4 Spoiler Ryzen 7 9800X3D | 96GB G.Skill Ripjaws M5 Neo DDR5-6000 | Asus ProArt RTX 4080 Super | ASUS ROG Strix X870E-E GAMING | Samsung 990Pro 2TB + 990Pro 4TB NMVe | VR: Varjo Aero VPC MT-50CM2 grip on VPForce Rhino with Z-curve extension | VPC CM3 throttle | VPC CP2 + 3 | FSSB R3L | VPC Rotor TCS Plus base with SharKa-50 grip | Everything mounted on Monstertech MFC-1 | VPC R1-Falcon pedals with damper | Pro Flight Trainer Puma OpenXR | PD 1.0 | 100% render resolution | DCS graphics settings Win11 Pro 24H2 - VBS/HAGS/Game Mode ON
draconus Posted June 28, 2023 Posted June 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said: If anything, the release of the -E and how good it is makes people want the -C even more I know I do! Especially after trying to bring E into a dogfight ;D 2 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Raven (Elysian Angel) Posted June 28, 2023 Posted June 28, 2023 Haha yes. Of course I tried a gunzo fight against a MiG-29 and got my behind handed to me 2nd and 3rd time I tried he ran out of fuel before I did, so I call that a draw 2 Spoiler Ryzen 7 9800X3D | 96GB G.Skill Ripjaws M5 Neo DDR5-6000 | Asus ProArt RTX 4080 Super | ASUS ROG Strix X870E-E GAMING | Samsung 990Pro 2TB + 990Pro 4TB NMVe | VR: Varjo Aero VPC MT-50CM2 grip on VPForce Rhino with Z-curve extension | VPC CM3 throttle | VPC CP2 + 3 | FSSB R3L | VPC Rotor TCS Plus base with SharKa-50 grip | Everything mounted on Monstertech MFC-1 | VPC R1-Falcon pedals with damper | Pro Flight Trainer Puma OpenXR | PD 1.0 | 100% render resolution | DCS graphics settings Win11 Pro 24H2 - VBS/HAGS/Game Mode ON
draconus Posted June 28, 2023 Posted June 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said: 2nd and 3rd time I tried he ran out of fuel before I did I gave a Su-27 100% fuel because I'm so generous Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
okopanja Posted June 28, 2023 Posted June 28, 2023 2 hours ago, draconus said: I gave a Su-27 100% fuel because I'm so generous null
draconus Posted June 28, 2023 Posted June 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, okopanja said: null AI fortunately can't dump fuel 1 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Lyrode Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 2023/6/28 PM6点07分，draconus说： Sometimes variants differ so much they are essentially different aircraft with different roles, even when they look alike. That's the case here. Air superiority, fighter sweep, CAP, ESCORT, BVR, dogfight - it all belongs to the C. Yes, killing so many F-15e flying slow at high altitude these days quite often, I do agree. An F-15C will be more competitive in these aspects. But DCS players don't necessarily play by roles assigned in reality. Already there are people complaining that F-15e cannot do anti-radiation, which never is Strike eagle's task. 1
westr Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 Didn’t Belsimtek look into creating the F15C years ago? because I seem to remember they were responsible for creating the AFM for the FC3 version we have now. I do feel with the modules maps and ai we have the F15C should be a module ED look into. Feels like a void in the sim without it as a full fidelity module. 2 RYZEN 7 3700X Running at 4.35 GHz NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080Ti 32gb DDR4 RAM @3200 MHz Oculus CV1 NvME 970 EVO TM Warthog Stick & Throttle plus 11" extension. VKB T-Rudder MKIV
ED Team NineLine Posted July 28, 2023 ED Team Posted July 28, 2023 2 hours ago, westr said: Didn’t Belsimtek look into creating the F15C years ago? because I seem to remember they were responsible for creating the AFM for the FC3 version we have now. I do feel with the modules maps and ai we have the F15C should be a module ED look into. Feels like a void in the sim without it as a full fidelity module. There has been nothing on that since BST was dissolved, and I have heard no more plans for this. Sorry. 1 1 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Nodak Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 Push sales of the E through the roof and bet you'll get an A or C soon, sales can do wonders, talk is free. 4
Furiz Posted July 29, 2023 Posted July 29, 2023 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Nodak said: Push sales of the E through the roof and bet you'll get an A or C soon, sales can do wonders, talk is free. How would AG, 2 seat platform sales make sense of single seat AA only platform, its just not logical. Edited July 29, 2023 by Furiz
Gunfreak Posted July 29, 2023 Posted July 29, 2023 9 hours ago, Furiz said: How would AG, 2 seat platform sales make sense of single seat AA only platform, its just not logical. Many people bought the E because it was a full fidelity F15, Many didn't care what F15 it was and many seemed to have misunderstood what the E model was. If the E and C was released at the same time with same quality. Then C would probably sell better because that the 'dogfighting" one. A surprising amount of F15E buyers seemed to have thought the E model was just a C model that could also bomb. 7 i7 13700k @5.2ghz, GTX 5090 OC, 128Gig ram 4800mhz DDR5, M2 drive.
draconus Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 We can see more and more F-15E buyers expecting the C performance. I can't blame them for trying but the demand is obviously there. 3 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Exorcet Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 3 hours ago, draconus said: We can see more and more F-15E buyers expecting the C performance. I can't blame them for trying but the demand is obviously there. There still isn't a truly comparable plane, and won't be until the EF-2000, however far away that is. 1 Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files
Crunch Posted November 24, 2023 Posted November 24, 2023 On 3/7/2022 at 12:11 AM, OfficerBull said: Soon can mean many things when you don't have a timeline to compare it to. But I would very much like the C model over the E model. Those damn WSO's just aren't my friend. Always complaining about my flying XD Don't know why it's the size of Texas, but straight from one of the horses many mouths. All they ever wanna do is pull over and pee, and if I hear one more time them say "Are we there yet?" Well, I'm just gonna pull eject, and yell "YEAH, RIGHT NOW!" 1
Buzz313th Posted November 29, 2023 Posted November 29, 2023 12 minutes ago, SuperKermit said: Bad news... Fingers crossed for a 3rd party to do this.. It might help to do a survey of those DCS players who would absolutely purchase an F15C FF module, no questions asked, even if they owned the 15E. If that survey comes up extremely positive, it might persuade a dev to take on the project. Especially with rt units getting the EX at this point. 1 Rig Specs: Win11, 12900k@3.9-5.2, RTX4080, 64G DDR5@4800, Quest3@4800x2600 (Oculus Link Cable On Link, no VR tweaks) DCS World: MT 2.9 with CPU Core #8 Disabled Module Proficiency: F-15C, A-10CII, F-16C, Modules Owned NOT Proficient: The rest of FC3, F-18C Terrain Owned: NTTR, DCS World Included Maps
Rudel_chw Posted November 29, 2023 Posted November 29, 2023 9 minutes ago, Buzz313th said: If that survey comes up extremely positive, it might persuade a dev to take on the project. I'm not so sure it would be so positive .. I'm the kind of user that purchases almost every module, so I already have FC3 and the 15E, and honestly adding a 15C does not really tempt me, I would purchase it only on a sale and if no other new module were available. 1 For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
Buzz313th Posted November 29, 2023 Posted November 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Rudel_chw said: I'm not so sure it would be so positive .. For my own selfish reasons, I hope you're incorrect. A survey wouldn't hurt anyone, except those that aren't prepared for a negative outcome. 1 Rig Specs: Win11, 12900k@3.9-5.2, RTX4080, 64G DDR5@4800, Quest3@4800x2600 (Oculus Link Cable On Link, no VR tweaks) DCS World: MT 2.9 with CPU Core #8 Disabled Module Proficiency: F-15C, A-10CII, F-16C, Modules Owned NOT Proficient: The rest of FC3, F-18C Terrain Owned: NTTR, DCS World Included Maps
draconus Posted November 29, 2023 Posted November 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Buzz313th said: It might help to do a survey of those DCS players who would absolutely purchase an F15C FF module... 1 1 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Buzz313th Posted November 29, 2023 Posted November 29, 2023 (edited) 45 minutes ago, draconus said: Fabulous, not surprised it has already been done. Voting if I can. Just voted and noticed the ratio currently is 3 to 1 in favor. Unfortunately only ~500 people have voted. Need more customers to vote. Edited November 29, 2023 by Buzz313th 1 Rig Specs: Win11, 12900k@3.9-5.2, RTX4080, 64G DDR5@4800, Quest3@4800x2600 (Oculus Link Cable On Link, no VR tweaks) DCS World: MT 2.9 with CPU Core #8 Disabled Module Proficiency: F-15C, A-10CII, F-16C, Modules Owned NOT Proficient: The rest of FC3, F-18C Terrain Owned: NTTR, DCS World Included Maps
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