Su-17

[Dragon1-1]

Note that in any case, MiG-29 was supposed to come after BS3. Given the relatively raw state BS3 is in, the political situation might very well change before it's done.

[YoYo]

6 hours ago, Harlikwin said:

Honestly only ED really knows, and they will tell us when they do actually know. I honestly figure the political situation probably screwed them hard on lots of things. That being said certain modules are still coming, so I hope the 29 is just a delay. From what I understand of the various "legal" issues its mainly russian info moving out of russia, i.e. russian manuals being used. That being said the 9.12 29 was exported to alot of nations, and I bet German, Polish, Czech, Cuban, etc. Docs are out there. So if they can make a case of we used "foreign docs" it might fly. The other interesting "chiz" post recently was that there is apparently a real legal difference between "Soviet" and "russian" stuff in that regard. So that may actually be helpful in the sense it might be possible to do "soviet" stuff. But not "modern" russian stuff.

 

Hehehe, but all are "soviet", they was born in those time. Only Su-57 is russian.  Hard to talk about the reasons if we know near nothing. Personally Id like to see (full modules) Su-24, Su-25 as well. Maybe they have agreement to made addons to "перестройка" time (so if the plane was produced only to 1991). However what about BS3.... hard to tell.

[Harlikwin]

15 hours ago, YoYo said:

Hehehe, but all are "soviet", they was born in those time. Only Su-57 is russian.  Hard to talk about the reasons if we know near nothing. Personally Id like to see (full modules) Su-24, Su-25 as well. Maybe they have agreement to made addons to "перестройка" time (so if the plane was produced only to 1991). However what about BS3.... hard to tell.

Well, the post 91 mods to those would be "russian". i.e. any sort of new RWR/Radar/IRST/engines etc. 

[upyr1]

[PLAAF]

On 1/8/2023 at 5:57 AM, upyr1 said:

Totally agree. Same here.

[WinterH]

Pretty sure I've said this before, but the only thing that equals my anticipation for a good Su-17M4 or at least Su-22M4 is the F-4E.

One we're getting, the other I'd love to get confirmed

[colin5392]

Is this module still alive?  not heard anything for some time and the SU17/22 is no longer listed on DCS Forum > Licensed Third Party Projects > OctopusG ?

[YoYo]

49 minutes ago, colin5392 said:

Is this module still alive?  not heard anything for some time and the SU17/22 is no longer listed on DCS Forum > Licensed Third Party Projects > OctopusG ?

This is the great unknown. Note that so far there has been no official information about this from OctopusG side. On the his desk is La-7 now. 

[DerRedMax]

Is this still in the works or is it dead? I think a lot of us are curious and would welcome some news. Please respond OctopusG. Thanks.

 

 

Edited April 1, 2023 by DerRedMax

[pepin1234]

I just wanna say. The OctupusG cockpit is remarcable different than the other Su-22 side project... no comparison. OctupusG is not really open for updates but after see how he made a lot of progress in La-7, then is valid to say he is solid working in his Su-17 soviet version.

Edited May 13, 2023 by pepin1234

[spikef22]

I honestly hope we here some more on this project in the next 6 months, the Su-22 if it is indeed to become a module. Will with out a doubt be one of the most important cold war modules for redfor going forward. A FF soviet attacker is a MUST HAVE!

[Cab]

On 2/15/2023 at 4:02 AM, WinterH said:

Pretty sure I've said this before, but the only thing that equals my anticipation for a good Su-17M4 or at least Su-22M4 is the F-4E.

One we're getting, the other I'd love to get confirmed

Not the F-8? 

[Silver_Dragon]

On 7/22/2023 at 1:20 AM, Cab said:

Not the F-8? 

F-8PP was confirmed many times ago as official module by Dekka.

Edited August 16, 2023 by Silver_Dragon

[draconus]

32 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

F-8PP was confirmed many times ago as official module by Dekka.

You mean J-8PP, he meant F-8 Crusader.

[YoYo]

F-8 Crusader is on the desk of Magnitude 3.

Edited August 16, 2023 by YoYo

[Cab]

1 hour ago, Silver_Dragon said:

F-8PP was confirmed many times ago as official module by Dekka.

 

50 minutes ago, draconus said:

You mean J-8PP, he meant F-8 Crusader.

Yep, like the man said, the F-8 Crusader. Sorry for the confusion 

37 minutes ago, YoYo said:

F-8 Crusader is on the desk of Magnitude 3.

 

Don’t I know it. 
 

Unfortunately, it seems to have been put on the back burner for other priorities 

[YoYo]

13 minutes ago, Cab said:

Yep, like the man said, the F-8 Crusader. Sorry for the confusion 

Don’t I know it. 
 

Unfortunately, it seems to have been put on the back burner for other priorities 

Not now, after F-4U maybe:

 

[Cab]

4 minutes ago, YoYo said:

Not now, after F-4U maybe:

 

Keeping hope alive. I like it.

This is The One module I am really, really looking forward to

 

[Silver_Dragon]

That is not a hope, has confirmed by ED and only a matter of time.

[Silver_Dragon]

On 4/1/2023 at 1:19 AM, DerRedMax said:

Is this still in the works or is it dead? I think a lot of us are curious and would welcome some news. Please respond OctopusG. Thanks.

 

Someone can identified the specific cockpit version of that Su-17/22?

[saburo_cz]

It looks like Su-22M4 "early". We had several of them. They were without system for TV-guided weapons.

 

here is one Russian

[Silver_Dragon]

hmmm....
Su-17M4 [Fitter K] Attack
Man Rtng: 2.5/1.5 Damage Value: 22
Size/Signature: Small/Small Bombsight: Computing

Counterm: 1st Gen D Inflight Refuel: N
Sensors: 1st Gen RWR, Klon laser rf/designator.

Throttle Setting/Speed in knots
Altitude Cruise Full Mil Reheat
Low: 460 675 730
Med: 460 770 860
High: 460 860 1000

Ceiling: 15200 meters Engine Type: TJ
Cruise Range: 575 nmi Int Fuel: 3770 kg

Additional Fuel Fuel Wt. Range Add.
800 L drop tank 650 kg 140 nmi

Ordnance Loadouts: Payload: 4000 kg
Off Guns: 2 NR-30 30mm (2.4)
• In all loadouts: 2 R-60 or R-60M on dedicated HP.
• 20 OFAB-100 or 10 FAB-250 or 8 FAB-500 or 4 KMGU
• 6 UB-32-57 or 6 S-24
• SPS-141MVG ECM pod, 4 UB-32-57 or 4 S-24
• SPS-141MVG, 18 OFAB-100 or 8 FAB-250 or 4 FAB-500
• SPS-141MVG, 4 Kh-25ML
• 2 drop tanks, SPS-141MVG and either:
• 2 Kh-25MR, Delta pod
• 2 Kh-25ML or 2 Kh-29L
• 2 Kh-29T or 2 KAB-500Kr (some 1987)
• 1 RN-24 or RN-28 nuclear bomb (Su-17M4)
• 2 DT or 2 UB-32-57, L-086 Vyuga pod, SPS-141MVG and either:
• 2 Kh-25MP
• 2 Kh-58U (Su-17M4P) or 2 Kh-58E (Su-22M4P)
• 2 DT, SPS-141MVG, KKR recon pod, UB-32-57 (Su-17M4R)
• 2 DT, SPS-141, KKR-1 recon pod, UB-32-57 (Su-22M4R)

Remarks: In Svc: 1981 - 1998
Can carry SPPU-22-01 gun pods replacing two drop tanks. Klon laser designator range 3.8 nmi, 12° weapons either side of nose. Targets must be visually spotted and treat all laser guided missiles as 1st Gen. Su-17M4P and Su-17M4R can use all Su-17M4 attack loadouts except nuclear bombs.
• Su-17M4: Attack version. Only version with nuclear bomb.
• Su-17M4P: Wild Weasel version.
• Su-17M4R: Recon version with KKR-1/T, KKR-1/2, KKR-2 series pods. Cannot use Kh-25MP and Kh-58U. In service 1981.
• Su-22M4 exported to Angola, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Iraq, Poland, Syria, Vietnam, Yemen. UPK-23-250 gun pods replace SPPU-22-01. Only Warsaw Pact wired for nukes, although none trained in use.
• Su-22M4R: Export recon version. KKR-1/T, KKR-1/2 recon pods. Cannot use Kh-25MP and Kh-58E.
• 1981 - 84: 231 Su-17M4, M4P, M4R delivered to Fighter Bomber Regiments (APIB) - 125th Templin GDR 1987-94, 730th Neureppon GDR 1986-91; Recon Squadrons (AE) of Recon Regiment (ORAP)
- 2nd AE, 328th Guards Kunmadaras, Hungary 1984-91, 1st AE 827th ORAP Limanskoye 1982-92, 1st and 2nd AE 886th ORAP Jekabpils, Latvia 1982-93.
• 30 Sep 84: Officially declared operational.
• 1985: Fitted with 2nd Gen D.
• 1987 - 88: Some Su-17M4 and Su-22M4 fitted for Kh-29T and KAB-500Kr. Replaces nuclear capability on Su-17M4.
• Retired - Air Force attack (1994-95), Air Force recon (1997), Navy (1998).

Su-22 [Fitter F] Attack
Man Rtng: 2.5/1.5 Damage Value: 22
Size/Signature: Small/Small Bombsight: Ballistic

Sensors: Gen 0 RWR, laser rf.

Throttle Setting/Speed in knots
Altitude Cruise Full Mil Reheat
Low: 460 675 730
Med: 460 770 860
High: 460 860 990

Ceiling: 15400 meters Engine Type: TJ
Cruise Range: 555 nmi Int Fuel: 3765 kg

Additional Fuel Fuel Wt. Range Add.
800 L drop tank 650 kg 135 nmi

Ordnance Loadouts: Payload: 4000 kg
Off Guns: 2 NR-30 30mm (2.4)
• 20 OFAB-100 or 10 FAB-250 or 8 FAB-500
• 6 UB-32-57 or 6 S-24
• 2 drop tanks, and either:
• 4 UB-32-57 or 4 FAB-500
• 2 R-3S or 2 R-13M
• 1 KKR-1/T recon pod, SPS-141, UB-32-57 (Su-22R)
Remarks: In Svc: Export
Export Su-17M2 with R-29 engine, reduced avionics and weapons. Can carry two UPK-23-250 gun pods replacing two drop tanks.
• 1977-80: Delivered to Angola 10 in 1982, Libya 36 in 1979, North Yemen 15 in 1980 and Peru 32 in 1977.
• Su-22R: Attack/recon version.

Su-22M [Fitter J] Attack
Man Rtng: 2.5/1.5 Damage Value: 22
Size/Signature: Small/Small Bombsight: Ballistic

Counterm: 1st Gen D Inflight Refuel: N
Sensors: Gen 0 RWR, laser rf

Throttle Setting/Speed in knots
Altitude Cruise Full Mil Reheat
Low: 460 675 750
Med: 460 770 960
High: 460 860 1190
Ceiling: 15200 meters Engine Type: TJ
Cruise Range: 565/410 nmi Int Fuel: 4020/3305 kg

Additional Fuel Fuel Wt. Range Add.
800 L drop tank 650 kg 130/115 nmi

Ordnance Loadouts: Payload: 4250 kg
Off Guns: 2 NR-30 30mm (2.4)
• In all loadouts: 2 R-60 or R-60M on dedicated HP.
• 20 OFAB-100 or 10 FAB-250 or 8 FAB-500 or 4 KMGU
• 6 UB-32-57 or 6 S-24
• SPS-141 ECM pod, 18 OFAB-100 or 8 FAB-250 or 4 FAB-500
• SPS-141, 4 UB-32-57 or 4 S-24
• 2 drop tanks, 4 UB-32-57 or 4 FAB-500
• 1 Kh-28E, Metel pod, UB-32-57, SPS-141
Remarks: In Svc: Export
Export with Su-17M3 airframe, R-29 engine and Su-22 avionics. Can carry two UPK-23-250 gun pods replacing two drop tanks.
• Su-22M [Fitter J]: 303 a/c delivered 1978-84 for Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Peru, South Yemen, Syria 1979 and Vietnam.
• Su-22UM3 [Fitter G]: Two seat trainer. Has one 30mm (1.2). Use second performance figures.

 

Edited September 24, 2023 by Silver_Dragon

[Harlikwin]

4 hours ago, saburo_cz said:

It looks like Su-22M4 "early". We had several of them. They were without system for TV-guided weapons.

 

here is one Russian

the TV and other panels were removable on the M4...

There were panels for SEAD stuff, or TV guided etc. Those two silver looking "things" below the modern radio were how they were mounted.

 

6 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said:

Someone can identified the specific cockpit version of that Su-17/22?

Watch the video, look at the bottom and it says SU-22M4

 

[Кош]

В 25.09.2023 в 04:13, Harlikwin сказал:

Those two silver looking "things"

Cameras frames counters AFAIK.

Edited September 26, 2023 by Кош

[foxbat155]

On 9/24/2023 at 10:33 PM, Silver_Dragon said:

Remarks: In Svc: 1981 - 1998
Can carry SPPU-22-01 gun pods replacing two drop tanks. Klon laser designator range 3.8 nmi, 12° weapons either side of nose. Targets must be visually spotted and treat all laser guided missiles as 1st Gen. Su-17M4P and Su-17M4R can use all Su-17M4 attack loadouts except nuclear bombs.
• Su-17M4: Attack version. Only version with nuclear bomb.
• Su-17M4P: Wild Weasel version.
• Su-17M4R: Recon version with KKR-1/T, KKR-1/2, KKR-2 series pods. Cannot use Kh-25MP and Kh-58U. In service 1981.
• Su-22M4 exported to Angola, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Iraq, Poland, Syria, Vietnam, Yemen. UPK-23-250 gun pods replace SPPU-22-01. Only Warsaw Pact wired for nukes, although none trained in use.
• Su-22M4R: Export recon version. KKR-1/T, KKR-1/2 recon pods. Cannot use Kh-25MP and Kh-58E.
• 1981 - 84: 231 Su-17M4, M4P, M4R delivered to Fighter Bomber Regiments (APIB) - 125th Templin GDR 1987-94, 730th Neureppon GDR 1986-91; Recon Squadrons (AE) of Recon Regiment (ORAP)
- 2nd AE, 328th Guards Kunmadaras, Hungary 1984-91, 1st AE 827th ORAP Limanskoye 1982-92, 1st and 2nd AE 886th ORAP Jekabpils, Latvia 1982-93.
• 30 Sep 84: Officially declared operational.
• 1985: Fitted with 2nd Gen D.
• 1987 - 88: Some Su-17M4 and Su-22M4 fitted for Kh-29T and KAB-500Kr. Replaces nuclear capability on Su-17M4.
• Retired - Air Force attack (1994-95), Air Force recon (1997), Navy (1998).

 

Su-17/22M4 was fully multitasking variant, there is no specified versions like M4R or M4P, aircrafts were wired for all equipment, only depending on tasks, pod with recce or SEAD equipment can be hang under fuselage or wings and some panels inside cockpit need to be changed.

Here we go, photo of Soviet and East German aircrafts with KKR pod, under front part of fuselage you can see (red arrow) antennas which were used for programming SEAD missile's guindance head before launch. Of course aircraft cannot use KKR pod and SEAD pod at the same time.

 

Su-17M4 from first serial aircraft was able use TV guided weapon and had TV monitor fiited in the cockpit, export Su-22M4 had simmilar capability from 30th production series, before that in place of monitor was mounted a dummy panel.

Warsaw Pact countries were training nuclear attack very often with use of IAB-500 imitation bomb. 17/22M4 never carried RN-24 nuke, only RN-28 on the beginning and after her withdrawn from use in mid 80's there were RN-40 and RN-42. Every Su-22M4 was able drop a nuclear bomb, place of service wasn't important, aircraft had weapon computer with several modes, toss mode can be used for any type of free fall bombs not only nuclear one, everything what is needed is a input of ballistic values into computer memory. Only special type of equipment required for A bomb were special "nuclear" BD3-56FHM pylons, rest of weapon system is standard for all types of bombs.