DCS Newsletter discussion 16th September 2022 - DCS: Tornado | multicrew progress | Growling Sidewinder

[MAXsenna]

I'm a bit disappointed. Those news are an hour old and only 22 replies sofar. What happend to the tornado crowd? People asking this module for a decade! (or even longer) 
First day purchase for me because it says 1989 in the advertising. 

They are obviously frozen in shock!
Looooots of comments on the Discord though.

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[Dudikoff]

Great news! Have fond memories flying DI's Tornado.. Most of it was on autopilot, though, so can't wait to see how it actually flies

[NineLine]

11 minutes ago, erniedaoage said:

I'm a bit disappointed. Those news are an hour old and only 22 replies sofar. What happend to the tornado crowd? People asking this module for a decade! (or even longer) 

First day purchase for me because it says 1989 in the advertising. 

 

Tornado fans right now:

[AvroLanc]

7 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

So what weapon systems were used by the IDS circa 1989?

Not much.

MK82, MK83, MK84 and MW-1. Oh.....and sidewinder of some kind. That's it boys.

A 1989 German IDS is probably the most limited IDS variant there is. Maybe it's a starting point and we'll get some feature creep into the Gr.1 version/weapons. Maybe. 

Kinda disappointed that Heatblur didn't get it.

[rkk01]

FANTASTIC…!!!

the Tonka and the Kola map are going to get some heavy heavy, use…

 

 

[Knock-Knock]

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

[QuiGon]

5 minutes ago, AvroLanc said:

Not much.

MK82, MK83, MK84 and MW-1. Oh.....and sidewinder of some kind. That's it boys.

A 1989 German IDS is probably the most limited IDS variant there is. Maybe it's a starting point and we'll get some feature creep into the Gr.1 version/weapons. Maybe. 

Kinda disappointed that Heatblur didn't get it.

You forgot Kormoran (and maybe even HARM).
Also it can provide AAR too, although that's not a weapon.

Edited September 16, 2022 by QuiGon

[schmiefel]

5 minutes ago, AvroLanc said:

MK82, MK83, MK84 and MW-1. Oh.....and sidewinder of some kind. That's it boys.

Add at least AS-34 Kormoran and B-61 

[Kev2go]

Shame it's only a  1989 variant. 

[QuiGon]

1 minute ago, schmiefel said:

Add at least AS-34 Kormoran and B-61 

No nukes in DCS (MiG-21 doesn't count).

[MAXsenna]

Not much.
MK82, MK83, MK84 and MW-1. Oh.....and sidewinder of some kind. That's it boys.
A 1989 German IDS is probably the most limited IDS variant there is. Maybe it's a starting point and we'll get some feature creep into the Gr.1 version/weapons. Maybe. 
Kinda disappointed that Heatblur didn't get it.

How long do you wanna wait?
F-4, Eurofighter, A-6....

I'm trying to find out if the rumors of getting the Tonka in six months is a joke or have actually have something to it.
Anyone has a link?

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[Kev2go]

40 minutes ago, AvroLanc said:

Not much.

MK82, MK83, MK84 and MW-1. Oh.....and sidewinder of some kind. That's it boys.

A 1989 German IDS is probably the most limited IDS variant there is. Maybe it's a starting point and we'll get some feature creep into the Gr.1 version/weapons. Maybe. 

Kinda disappointed that Heatblur didn't get it.

 

I would argue besides a post cold war gr1. The next best would of been an Italian pa200 tornado. They didn't have a equivalent to gr4 so some modest modernization and addons of thier gr1 cousin saw some interesting weapons get added into the 2000s. 

Edited September 16, 2022 by Kev2go

[Avimimus]

7 minutes ago, AvroLanc said:

Not much.

MK82, MK83, MK84 and MW-1. Oh.....and sidewinder of some kind. That's it boys.

A 1989 German IDS is probably the most limited IDS variant there is. Maybe it's a starting point and we'll get some feature creep into the Gr.1 version/weapons. Maybe. 

Kinda disappointed that Heatblur didn't get it.

So no rocket pods or cluster munitions (other than the MW-1)?

[MAXsenna]

Shame it's only a  1989 variant. 

Shame? You'd want a more modern one?

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[schmiefel]

1 minute ago, QuiGon said:

No nukes in DCS (MiG-21 doesn't count

Well, ... , But maybe MW-1 (in 1989 it wasn't forbidden if I remember right, but I am not sure if it was fully introduced by then)

[Germane]

Absolutely great announcement!

[AvroLanc]

10 minutes ago, QuiGon said:

You forgot Kormoran (and maybe even HARM).
Also it can provide AAR too, although that's not a weapon.

 

OK, I knew that would come up, I forgot the Marineflieger and Kormoran. Actually those Marine paint jobs / liveries are some of my favorites.

But that fact remains, it's a limited capability Torando at FIRST glance. Maybe it will turn out otherwise. Given the complexity of Tornados NAV ATTACK avionics, a limited weapon set might reduce complexity for the developer.

I do feel however, that we might not get a module that does full justice to the Tornado story. A 1991 RAF Gr.1 might have been doable and would better represent Tornado's full capability and have provided a better complement to current DCS modules. As well as having a better combat history. 

[Snowy55]

Soooo looking forward to this. 

[Lace]

23 minutes ago, Kev2go said:

Shame it's only a  1989 variant. 

A blessing it is 'only' a 1989 variant IMHO.  We have enough mid-00s options.  Very glad they went GR1 rather than GR4 (or god forbid - the ADV).

[MAXsenna]

A blessing it is 'only' a 1989 variant IMHO.  We have enough mid-00s options.  Very glad they went GR1 rather than GR4 (or god forbid - the ADV).

Totally agree! Now they can "upgrade" it with add-ons!

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[Kev2go]

2 minutes ago, Lace said:

A blessing it is 'only' a 1989 variant IMHO.  We have enough mid-00s options.  Very glad they went GR1 rather than GR4 (or god forbid - the ADV).

a 2000s versions is still close enough to a 1989 variant.

 

Just fly with only the Mk80 series bombs.......

[Ikaros]

Day 1 buy! I am very happy indeed.

[Bremspropeller]

5 minutes ago, Lace said:

Very glad they went GR1 rather than GR4 (or god forbid - the ADV).

The contemporary GR1 was more capable than the '89 german IDS. Plus the GR1 had about 900lbs more internal gas.

A '91 (post Operation Granby) RAFG GR.1 would have been the optimal Tornado to bring to DCS in my opinion - the connecting fibre between the old Cold War all weather low-level strike and the post-CW medium altitude LGB delivery platform. The GAF/GNAF Tornado IDS won't be half bad, but the GR1 would have been the icing on the cake.

[Fromthedeep]

2 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

The contemporary GR1 was more capable than the '89 german IDS. Plus the GR1 had about 900lbs more internal gas.

 

Are these capabilities simply more weapons that are integrated or did it have a more capable nav/attack suite or sensors?

[Lace]

1 minute ago, Bremspropeller said:

The contemporary GR1 was more capable than the '89 german IDS. Plus the GR1 had about 900lbs more internal gas.

A '91 (post Operation Granby) RAFG GR.1 would have been the optimal Tornado to bring to DCS in my opinion - the connecting fibre between the old Cold War all weather low-level strike and the post-CW medium altitude LGB delivery platform. The GAF/GNAF Tornado IDS won't be half bad, but the GR1 would have been the icing on the cake.

Indeed, but it's close enough, and I didn't want to dampen what is unarguably welcome news with an 'if only they'd done x' caveat.