Patch notes discussion June 2023

[BIGNEWY]

12 minutes ago, St4rgun said:

Dear @BIGNEWY the previous bugs are core related and exist since the introduction of MT. It's really a shame now that we didn't got any usable feedback on those problems.

Is this really so complicated? Is it really impossible for the devs to turn off the auto exposure control or make it optional as long as they're trying to fine tune it? Is this issue really so minimal that no one cares about is? I was really patient for months, but now I'm started to get angry... 

The work takes time, that will not change, we have resources and man power that have limits like any business. We will not always meet individual expectations for work rate or priority but we do as much as is possible within the work flow we have.

This month we have had 2 patches, including a product launch, we were also away for a week on a whole team meeting. Next month we will have another content patch and we will continue to patch as and when the work is completed. 

thank you for your continued patience 

[NRG-Vampire]

On 6/23/2023 at 2:19 AM, Japo32 said:

Is it slower in loading? Of course after the first load the shaders and constructed again.. but I mean that second or third time. Also a friend noticed it.

Unfortunately I am experiencing the same thing. Loading time increased to double/triple or more. (not the shaders-making-time)
It takes a lot of time until the logo with the version number appears. I think I go back to the previous beta. 

Edited June 24, 2023 by NRG-Vampire

[Rocky49]

Me too  load times are way too long.

[draconus]

Mission load is ok. It's the DCS start from the icon double-click to the main menu: 2min 50s. Previous beta: over 1min.

[gonvise]

In my case, after update DCS wont launch anymore. The process "dcs.exe" does not even appear for a moment in the task manager. Slow repaired, cleaned, deleted user folder in saved games...; when launched the DCS user folder is not created again and nothing happens. If I update to the previous version, making a dcs_updater.exe update 2.8.6.41066@openbeta, works again.

[Gunfreak]

Loading times seems much longer than before the patch, both in VR and flat.

[dburne]

4 hours ago, draconus said:

Mission load is ok. It's the DCS start from the icon double-click to the main menu: 2min 50s. Previous beta: over 1min.

Yep same here. Subsequent starts are longer now than they were, and that first start of the day is atrociously long.

Edited June 23, 2023 by dburne

[NRG-Vampire]

13 hours ago, NRG-Vampire said:

Unfortunately I am experiencing the same thing. Loading time increased to double/triple or more. (not the shaders-making-time)
It takes a lot of time until the logo with the version number appears. I think I go back to the previous beta. 

 

 

6 hours ago, dburne said:

Yep same here. Subsequent starts are longer now than they were, and that first start of the day is atrociously long.

 

Did some tests and checked few older DCS.log(s). (Main DCS and SavedGames folders on 1TB Samsung SSD)

Earlier "▲ first start of the day" loading times (with lots of Mods/Addons in the SavedGames folder) were about 1:20
, without any mods (only Su-25T and TF-51D in the "GameFolder"/Mods) was about 1:10 - (to get into the Caucasus-MissionEditor + 20 seconds). So Summ/Total were 1:40 - 1:30 into ME.
... not "▲ first start of the day" loading times were shorter, approx. 10 seconds quicker.

Now (DCS 2.8.6.41363 Open Beta)  "▲ first start of the day" loading time (and other, right after 2nd-3rd starts also) are about 3:20 but to get into Caucasus-MissionEditor slightly quicker: + 10 second.

So the loading time now approx 2.5 times slower with the latest patch, here. - (but on the other hand get into ME, mission loading times, swaptimes between maps are faster)


BTW: there is a problem @ the beginning of loading (maybe with weapons ???) - No Mods (running ST)
▼
(from latest DCS.log(s)
=== Log opened UTC 2023-06-23 20:09:28
2023-06-23 20:09:27.912 INFO    EDCORE (Main): Create boot pool.
.

............  (36 seconds to DCS-logo-window with version number appears) ???

.
2023-06-23 20:10:03.640 INFO    Dispatcher (Main): Loading installed modules...
2023-06-23 20:10:31.724 ERROR   Scripting (Main): bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got nil)    ----- another 28 secs to check a faulty weapon? table?? 
2023-06-23 20:10:32.443 INFO    Scripting (Main): OBSOLETE mount_vfs_sound_path() used in ./CoreMods/aircraft/AJS37/entry.lua
2023-06-23 20:10:34.648 INFO    Scripting (Main): PLUGINS START-------------------------------------------------

ps. (▲ maybe coz of the half-baked AGM-130/GBU-15 in the new F-15E.lua) ???
Should be ▼
attribute        = {4, 5, 36, 42},  -- GBU-15
attribute        = {4, 4, 8, 71},     -- AGM-130

Edited June 24, 2023 by NRG-Vampire

[Gunfreak]

Has a memory leaked snuk in?

Now if I play dcs for some time, if I go out and in again the game is unusable, mission editor stops for 10 seconds after placing a unit. Trying to start in VR is impossible as it lags so much on the main menu. I PC restart fixes it. Very much like memory leak. I have not done anything to my computer. This happened after the latest DCS patch.

[markom]

I came here to write "me too" on noticably slower startup times since the last patch.

[Devil 505]

2 hours ago, markom said:

I came here to write "me too" on noticably slower startup times since the last patch.

Add me to that list and the two gents I fly with. Slow start up for sure.

[LotusDragon]

On 6/25/2023 at 1:48 PM, Gunfreak said:

Has a memory leaked snuk in?

Now if I play dcs for some time, if I go out and in again the game is unusable, mission editor stops for 10 seconds after placing a unit. Trying to start in VR is impossible as it lags so much on the main menu. I PC restart fixes it. Very much like memory leak. I have not done anything to my computer. This happened after the latest DCS patch.

I also have some problems when I start dcs again after ending one session. Then I have strong mouse lag in menus and longer loading times for missions.

[LizardKingYB]

I'm happy that's not only mine issue)

[BIGNEWY]

it is not a memory leak, but long load times have been reported to the team and they are working on it. 

thank you

[Gunfreak]

36 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

it is not a memory leak, but long load times have been reported to the team and they are working on it. 

thank you

I only get about 10 minutes in the mission editor before it becomes so slow I have to restart my computer to get any work done. Each button press takes dozens of seconds of freezing before anything happens. 

[BIGNEWY]

5 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

I only get about 10 minutes in the mission editor before it becomes so slow I have to restart my computer to get any work done. Each button press takes dozens of seconds of freezing before anything happens. 

I would repeat and then post your dcs log, dxdiag and mission in the bugs section. It may have clues

[JOKERACTS]

I am currently using stable release version of DCS World 2.8.4.39731, so how long have to wait for the latest Open beta version to be release into stable version?

[BIGNEWY]

39 minutes ago, JOKERACTS said:

I am currently using stable release version of DCS World 2.8.4.39731, so how long have to wait for the latest Open beta version to be release into stable version?

It depends on the next patch and if we think the version is stable enough for the push to the stable version. 

This will depend on public testing in open beta, feedback and data gathering. 

I have no time scale for this so it is best to keep an eye on the patch status forum post 

thanks

[YoYo]

14 minutes ago, JOKERACTS said:

I am currently using stable release version of DCS World 2.8.4.39731, so how long have to wait for the latest Open beta version to be release into stable version?

My advice, use OB only, not stable ;). I used to be only on stable, but it started to make no sense, because others were already playing with new modules and maps, and I was standing still for months. OB is not that scary, plus you have ST and MT version. ST is completely stable but with new features. In fact, Stable doesn't guarantee much more, unless you go for quality (it may have bugs anyway) but also a long wait

[JOKERACTS]

47 minutes ago, YoYo said:

My advice, use OB only, not stable ;). I used to be only on stable, but it started to make no sense, because others were already playing with new modules and maps, and I was standing still for months. OB is not that scary, plus you have ST and MT version. ST is completely stable but with new features. In fact, Stable doesn't guarantee much more, unless you go for quality (it may have bugs anyway) but also a long wait

I just worried about Open beta which was not stable and possibly got bugs, leaks, possible distorting the computer hardware end up with lower lifespan for the PC?  

I don't rush for new module, I can wait. I am currently running my DCS 2.8.4.39731 with MT version by creating an extra DCS World shortcut from the bin-mt folder; the MT version will not automatic run with clicking the original DCS World shortcut. The MT for release version running quite good and smooth, so far no bugs or leaks.

[BIGNEWY]

26 minutes ago, JOKERACTS said:

I just worried about Open beta which was not stable and possibly got bugs, leaks, possible distorting the computer hardware end up with lower lifespan for the PC?

Reducing lifespan of the PC? Its not something I would be concerned about personally. Open beta is a public test build so there is a higher chance of a crash event but other than that its not an issue. The patch cycle is quicker than stable version as we use open beta to look for the show stopping issues before patching stable version. 

[YoYo]

29 minutes ago, JOKERACTS said:

I just worried about Open beta which was not stable and possibly got bugs, leaks, possible distorting the computer hardware end up with lower lifespan for the PC?  

I've been on OB probably for 4-5 years and somehow it's possible to live and nothing has been destroyed. Of course, OB may contain more bugs than Stable (after all, Stable is after the OB filter and we already have a lot of our reports. Surely there is no concern about the problems you write about. Rather, older modules are usually the same as on stable, so it doesn't matter here.

[Hiob]

40 minutes ago, JOKERACTS said:

I just worried about Open beta which was not stable and possibly got bugs, leaks, possible distorting the computer hardware end up with lower lifespan for the PC?  

What? Distorting and lower Lifespan? From Beta software? That is not a thing.

If you are unsure, due to the reports of certain games destroying certain GPUs (New World) - that was a highly unlikely and very specific event (wasn't even declared a "beta" btw) and you can easily protect against such failure by putting a general fps limit in action (like 300 fps or so).

If you don't consider using beta software for such reports, you may as well stop going outside for the risk of being struck by lightning.

Edit: If you are worried about the lifespan of your hardware, keep it cool and maybe apply a slight undervolt to GPU and CPU.  But don't worry about the software you are running.

Edited July 10, 2023 by Hiob

[MAXsenna]

45 minutes ago, JOKERACTS said:

I just worried about Open beta which was not stable and possibly got bugs, leaks, possible distorting the computer hardware end up with lower lifespan for the PC?  

Are you serious?

Anyway, take some advice and start using the app below. It will help you update at your leisure, and switch back and forth between Stable and OB to your liking.

Cheers! 

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/134493-the-dcs-updater-launcher-gui-utility-version-20-2023/

[scommander2]

On 7/10/2023 at 11:04 AM, MAXsenna said:

I just worried about Open beta which was not stable and possibly got bugs, leaks, possible distorting the computer hardware end up with lower lifespan for the PC?  

I think that DCS is the user application software, in order to communicate the hardware components through APIs by OS kernel to the device drivers.  A software may have a bug and that causes the execution in logic state which is out the developer expectation. Beside that, OS kernel has certain protections to against it unless a device driver has the serious issue of communicating the hardware (or firmware update).

The lower lifespan (not due to hardware failure) for the PC because of the user application is required better performance in order to render overall but not the application bugs in general. 

I will not worry about the bugs in DCS because none of all software is totally bug free...  The matter is that how bug can be fixed.