Patch notes discussion October 2023 - DCS 2.9

[Manhorne]

My performance took a huge hit with this update...Very jittery and stutters a lot. I made no graphics changes just to see and make sure the update worked.Anyone else having similar issues?

[Max Thunder]

4 minutes ago, zildac said:

Very quick flight with TAA here, looks ace. No shimmers in VR and foveated rendering works fine. I was CPU limited fwiw.

Interesting TAA was with my Quest 3 way too blurry. DLAA was great. 

[Nuggetz]

I guess I must be doing something wrong given the positive comments above. 
 

Using my Pimax Crystal the clarity of the visuals is very poor and even a reduction in FPS. I have tried playing with all the DLSS and DLAA settings with all the DCS settings set high etc. I have checked the Open XR toolkit which is set to default. 
 

Will investigate more tomorrow but at a loss so far and somewhat deflated. 
 

UPDATE: Just updated Quad Views to the latest version 1.1.3. Clarity and FPS restored. 

Edited October 20, 2023 by Nuggetz

[BMO]

I´m still downloading and couldnt test it soo far but I´m so happy to see this:

• Improved “spotting dots” added (WIP):
  • Increased dot size at high resolutions
  • Zoom is not affecting dots size

In order to disable new “spotting dots” and revert to previous logic user can put “DotRendererExperiment = False” in autoexec.cfg file located in \Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Config\

and this:

• NEW: Advanced Waypoint Action for Unlimited Fuel Option for AI. Please note the task must be at the top of Advanced Waypoint Actions list to make sure it works properly.
• NEW: Perform Task/Strafing for aircraft and helicopters as Advanced Waypoint Action. You can now set placement, length, attack direction and attack quantity. 

and this:

DCS: AV-8B N/A by RAZBAM Simulations

• Fixed Bomb release MULT logic.
• Fixed Rockets firing sequence when using single fire mode.

is both very nice

• Fixed AUTO release cue behaviour

this is a bit sad since the bombs fall still short

 

but overall a nice update, keep up the good work!

[f14billy]

4 minutes ago, Nuggetz said:

I guess I must be doing something wrong given the positive comments above. 
 

Using my Pimax Crystal the clarity of the visuals is very poor and even a reduction in FPS. I have tried playing with all the DLSS and DLAA settings with all the DCS settings set high etc. I have checked the Open XR toolkit which is set to default. 
 

Will investigate more tomorrow but at a loss so far and somewhat deflated. 

That's unfortunate. With a 4090 and the Pimax Crystal DLAA works great using Quad Views Foveated rendering. DLSS definitely affected quality so I decided to stick with DLAA.

3 minutes ago, BMO said:

I´m still downloading and couldnt test it soo far but I´m so happy to see this:

• Improved “spotting dots” added (WIP):
  • Increased dot size at high resolutions
  • Zoom is not affecting dots size

In order to disable new “spotting dots” and revert to previous logic user can put “DotRendererExperiment = False” in autoexec.cfg file located in \Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Config\

and this:

• NEW: Advanced Waypoint Action for Unlimited Fuel Option for AI. Please note the task must be at the top of Advanced Waypoint Actions list to make sure it works properly.
• NEW: Perform Task/Strafing for aircraft and helicopters as Advanced Waypoint Action. You can now set placement, length, attack direction and attack quantity. 

and this:

DCS: AV-8B N/A by RAZBAM Simulations

• Fixed Bomb release MULT logic.
• Fixed Rockets firing sequence when using single fire mode.

is both very nice

• Fixed AUTO release cue behaviour

this is a bit sad since the bombs fall still short

 

but overall a nice update, keep up the good work!

I tested spotting and it is definitely better. However that bigger spot looks weird using DLSS.

Edited October 19, 2023 by f14billy

[FusRoPotato]

FSR is a wash.

All aircraft within 2 miles vanish into a faint blur. 

Something needs to be done to make sure 3d models don't get blurred away like that, if that's even possible.

[Max Thunder]

1 minute ago, f14billy said:

That's unfortunate. With a 4090 and the Pimax Crystal DLAA works great using Quad Views Foveated rendering.

Sorry short off topic: How much performance do you get with foveated rendering in DCS? 

[Nuggetz]

2 minutes ago, f14billy said:

That's unfortunate. With a 4090 and the Pimax Crystal DLAA works great using Quad Views Foveated rendering.

I had been very happy with my FPS and clarity using Quad Views also. I must recheck all my setting’s tomorrow. 

[f14billy]

8 minutes ago, Max Thunder said:

Sorry short off topic: How much performance do you get with foveated rendering in DCS? 

I haven't quantified it but in a dogfighting scenario in the Caucasus map it allows me to consistently hit 90hz for 1 v 1 encounters with a central resolution set to 1.2%. Very sharp and clear. Without it I would not be able to hit that fps consistently and would cause stutters.

When I used a Reverb G2, the only way I could achieve 90hz was to lower the resolution in the OpenXR toolkit, so instead I decided to set it to 60hz and the flickering was evident.

I don't think I could ever go back to a headset without eye tracking and dynamic foveated rendering support.

Edited October 19, 2023 by f14billy

[Hiob]

21 minutes ago, Manhorne said:

My performance took a huge hit with this update...Very jittery and stutters a lot. I made no graphics changes just to see and make sure the update worked.Anyone else having similar issues?

You should check your graphics settings. The whole system has been turned upside down. Some (new) settings were disabled or enabled by default.

And make sure you run MT to take full advantage of the updates.

Edited October 19, 2023 by Hiob

[gerd]

15 minutes ago, Manhorne said:

My performance took a huge hit with this update...Very jittery and stutters a lot. I made no graphics changes just to see and make sure the update worked.Anyone else having similar issues?

I have the same issues.

Deleted fxo and metashaders folders before srarting 2.9, enabled MSAA 4x as it was suddenly off.

I get roughly the same fps (note that the standard launch icon now runs MT version), but it stutters at least 1x per minute even on simple good old quick missions like Huey - harbour tour or P51 dogfight with Dora.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Thank you for your attention. I think I need to uninstall Foveated Support...

And yes, it was in VR, using the same setup, except above for the one above and I have to re-record the track file. Full benchmarks soon.

[Manhorne]

13 minutes ago, gerd said:

I have the same issues.

Deleted fxo and metashaders folders before srarting 2.9, enabled MSAA 4x as it was suddenly off.

I get roughly the same fps (note that the standard launch icon now runs MT version), but it stutters at least 1x per minute even on simple good old quick missions like Huey - harbour tour or P51 dogfight with Dora.

I did the same as you but My performance is horrible now. I cannot even play because it is so bad. Not really sure why. Everything was fine before the update and I have my setting set to what they were then but did not make a difference...

[GomesPT]

3 hours ago, LizardKingYB said:

Without using MSAA 4x all other options have bad sharpened and blurred edges and ghosting.

Same here, with other settings, i have ghost images.

Edited October 19, 2023 by GomesPT

[Glide]

Nice job with TAA!  My favorite so far.  BTW, SSS is not available unless Shadows are set to Low-High.  Flat or OFF means SSS will be grayed out. 

[Nevyn]

Disappointing atm, performance is fine as far as I can tell, but the image is terrible. I am however upgrading a few things in the next few days so I am not going to mess around with it yet, sadly though the silly splash screens won't change, they make me feel like I am visiting a walmart, much preferred the old subdued one.

[Mateo]

21 minutes ago, gerd said:

I get roughly the same fps (note that the standard launch icon now runs MT version), but it stutters at least 1x per minute even on simple good old quick missions

I have got the same, strange strong stutters that last 1-2 s and appear once per minute or even more. I do the test with all new features OFF and AA also OFF. Just to init new optimum settings - I fail.

[Boosterdog]

Im sufficiently inspired with confidence to suspend my self imposed purchase ban. Nice job.

[C_casber]

DLSS is greyd out 

MF is active and i got the steam version 

my friend got the same setup and also the steam version and it works on his pc

and we dont know why 

can anyone help?

[Canadus]

Still fiddling around with my FSR settings. 
Performance increased by roughly 35-40%, but not yet fully happy with the look of it.

 

[SteelPig]

1 hour ago, Blinde said:

Apparently supercarrier didn't get plane directors and other new features?

That's right. I was hoping too,but we have to wait a little longer. 

[hawxxer]

5 minutes ago, C_casber said:

DLSS is greyd out 

MF is active and i got the steam version 

my friend got the same setup and also the steam version and it works on his pc

and we dont know why 

can anyone help?

Do you start the game with DCS Updater Utility? Try start the game directly with the dcs_update.exe. Worked for me.

[Stackup]

While everyone else fiddles around with DLSS and graphics settings, here's some shots of the new S-3!   The new model has it's probe so it can be refueled in the air now, and I think the tail boom was extendable in development screenhsots but no idea what conditions it would need to do so. 

Wish we could have gotten the tanker version in this update too, but "shortly following" is different from "soon" so maybe it isn't really to far away.  In the meantime, the regular S-3 is greatly improving the look of my carrier decks!

[Art-J]

4 minutes ago, C_casber said:

DLSS is greyd out 

MF is active and i got the steam version 

my friend got the same setup and also the steam version and it works on his pc

and we dont know why 

can anyone help?

You're the 2nd Steam player in this thread reporting similar issue. Can you check if the Steam launches the MT (I know it says so, but does it really)? What does the note in bottom right corner of the menu screen say? "MT preview 2.9" or version number only?

About the new splash screen... I don't even remember how the previous one looked like and I play the game on regular basis. Some of you guys are really way too easily miffed by such (un)important things. Do not worry, though! 15th DCS anniversary year ends soon, so you'll get some whatever "normal" splash screen then.

 

[C_casber]

vor 7 Minuten schrieb hawxxer:

Do you start the game with DCS Updater Utility? Try start the game directly with the dcs_update.exe. Worked for me.

where can infind it?

vor 4 Minuten schrieb Art-J:

You're the 2nd Steam player in this thread reporting similar issue. Can you check if the Steam launches the MT (I know it says so, but does it really)? What does the note in bottom right corner of the menu screen say? "MT preview 2.9" or version number only?

About the new splash screen... I don't even remember how the previous one looked like and I play the game on regular basis. Some of you guys are really way too easily miffed by such (un)important things. Do not worry, though! 15th DCS anniversary year ends soon, so you'll get some whatever "normal" splash screen then.

 

version number only