Europe Wishlist Thread

[draconus]

6 hours ago, twistking said:

How can something like this end up in a trailer?

[bies]

10 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

The 2025 and Beyond confirm Berlin zone, that expand the AO to from Fulda to east germany

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[Silver_Dragon]

Waiting to see if that expand to north german plains and baltic aproachs.

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[GrafRotz]

This expands at least to north of Hamburg (Ratzeburg seems to bee identified) and Koblenz, Rhine Area (Mendig Airfield was identified)

[Silver_Dragon]

This expands at least to north of Hamburg (Ratzeburg seems to bee identified) and Koblenz, Rhine Area (Mendig Airfield was identified)

Only miss the danube front

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[Bremspropeller]

I'm hoping it covers Germany entirely, as the most beautiful airfields (landscape-wise) are in the southern west and southwest. The airfields in southern Bavaria are also quite scenic. If that area is covered, some franch airbases in the Rhine valley should also make it (e.g. Colmar and Strasbourg, maybe even Metz and Nancy).

For the eastern dimension, I hope it at least covers the Oder river. That in turn also covers parts of Czechia and maybe northern Austria. The pics seen so far suggest that the map at least extends to the german coast of the Baltic Sea.

Really looking forward to the map reveal.

 

Edited January 18 by Bremspropeller

[twistking]

32 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

I'm hoping it covers Germany entirely, as the most beautiful airfields (landscape-wise) are in the southern west and southwest. The airfields in southern Bavaria are also quite scenic. If that area is covered, some franch airbases in the Rhine valley should also make it (e.g. Colmar and Strasbourg, maybe even Metz and Nancy).

For the eastern dimension, I hope it at least covers the Oder river. That in turn also covers parts of Czechia and maybe northern Austria. The pics seen so far suggest that the map at least extends to the german coast of the Baltic Sea.

Really looking forward to the map reveal.

 

That would be the most ambitious DCS map to date. Not by dimensions perhaps, but surely by population centers covered.
I agree that southern Germany is way more interesting for flying from a purely scenic point of view. Having the map cover the Baltic coast AND the alps would be absolutely fantastic, but perhaps too good to be true... I will be happy already if the Fulda AO is covered with enough area around it to not accidentally stumble over the map edge in a fast jet...

Edited January 18 by twistking

[Bremspropeller]

Yeah, I agree it would be very ambitious, but having the other maps with large population centers and some new tech gives me hope there'll be some more advances into that direction. Plus in order to be useful for any jets, the maps would have to extend west by quite a bit to reach any type of jet airfield.

If you take this map as a reference (posted on the prior page), there'd be hardly any jet airbase in the west covered by it's extent (apart from FRA, HAJ, Wunstorf - none of which are full time fast jet air bases, with maybe the exception of Gütersloh, which could be right on the western edge) and a hand full of jet bases in the east:

For info:

The demonstrated (by screenshot) northern boundary is at least as far north as the location of the second r in "North Front".

For info 2:
With the Sinai map, we're already covering a very large amount of virtual population. The entire population of Egypt is about 110 million people, most of which are living in the depicted areas - subtracting Luxor and Assuan, but there's population centers northeast of Sinial as well, which more than adjusts for that loss: Population sizes of Israel (10milllion) and Gaza+Westbank (~5 million) aren't that small either.

Edited January 18 by Bremspropeller

[twistking]

24 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

If you take this map as a reference (posted on the prior page), there'd be hardly any jet airbase in the west covered by it's extent (apart from FRA, HAJ, Wunstorf - none of which are full time fast jet air bases, with maybe the exception of Gütersloh, which could be right on the western edge) and a hand full of jet bases in the east:

Good point regarding the jet airbases. Did not really think of that.
Maybe it would be acceptable to cut the "deep" Western part at least, putting the Western edge at Bremen, Bielefeld, Koblenz, Mannheim... Of course airbases near that imagined line would need further "wiggle room" of detailed area to their west.
I'm from the deep West myself, but i think it would offer the least for a historic cold war DCS map (apart from some important airbases and the then capital of Bonn).
Baltic coast, DDR/GDR and the alps in one map though:

Edited January 18 by twistking

[twistking]

In the recent Q&A Wags called the map "Cold War Germany" by the way and it was implied that it's not done by ED. Ugra seems more and more likely...

[Tom Kazansky]

1 hour ago, twistking said:

In the recent Q&A Wags called the map "Cold War Germany" by the way and it was implied that it's not done by ED. Ugra seems more and more likely...

it is Ugra Media:

 

[JUICE-AWG]

@upyr1 Looks like you're getting it!  AWG hopes to provide more info on this when we can...until then, look for an ED FAQ when we get an update!

Thanks for leading this charge!

Juice

On 4/6/2023 at 10:51 AM, bies said:

Yes, Cold War Germany map is arguably the most anticipated one together with Vietnam. But personally i think just one e.g. ~1970s would be ok. Changes in a decade were not that big, especially from flight simulator perspective. I would guess somewhere around 1960s all main NATO bases in Germany were already developed and functional, Berlin wall built. Civilian infrastructure developed obviously. Maybe two versions 1950s and 1980s at most.

Germany 2023 vs. 1970s are massively different and it would be huge turn off for all this Cold War scenarios, but 1960s vs. 1980s would be ok.

I believe early 80s would be best!  I have the soundtrack for that already...Cheers!

[bies]

5 minutes ago, JUICE-AWG said:

@upyr1 Looks like you're getting it!  AWG hopes to provide more info on this when we can...until then, look for an ED FAQ when we get an update!

Thanks for leading this charge!

Juice

I believe early 80s would be best!  I have the soundtrack for that already...Cheers!

Oh this F-15 Eagle firing Sparrow! I hope we will get Cold War 1985 MSIP II F-15 as well, as a variant of just announced 2005 F-15C MSIP II.

 

 

[upyr1]

4 hours ago, JUICE-AWG said:

@upyr1 Looks like you're getting it!  AWG hopes to provide more info on this when we can...until then, look for an ED FAQ when we get an update!

Thanks for leading this charge!

Juice

I believe early 80s would be best!  I have the soundtrack for that already...Cheers!

I'm happy we're getting Germany. So far except for the JF-17 right now every module we have will work with a German map. 

Edited January 22 by upyr1

[JUICE-AWG]

@bies I think we're looking at around 2001 but we'll see.  I can't speak much on it now.  Wags will let us know when he can say more. ~J

 

[mazex]

Well, after the cold war Germany map press reveal, I still think that my final proposal was better with place for carriers, less populated areas, WW2 potential etc. But I am still very happy...

[MAXsenna]

On 3/14/2025 at 7:34 PM, mazex said:

Well, after the cold war Germany map press reveal, I still think that my final proposal was better with place for carriers, less populated areas, WW2 potential etc. But I am still very happy...

You should "revive" your post regarding the water in the new forum dedicated to the upcoming map. Ugra has a history of listening to us, and expanding their maps!  

[mazex]

My proposal does not include the Fulda gap... Now when that is promised and Berlin is already done there is no turning back My proposal was focused on avoiding the densely populated areas and cities where you have to get landmarks right etc... But it feels like a logical expansion to include more of the Baltic Sea/North Sea for carrier ops etc.

[MAXsenna]

3 hours ago, mazex said:

My proposal does not include the Fulda gap... Now when that is promised and Berlin is already done there is no turning back My proposal was focused on avoiding the densely populated areas and cities where you have to get landmarks right etc... But it feels like a logical expansion to include more of the Baltic Sea/North Sea for carrier ops etc.

Ah, missed that part. A Central European map without Fulda makes no sense.

[TheCabal]

It's been 5 years since I posted this. Thank you Ugra-Media for making it true!
Only thing missing is a GUIK map.  

[Dragon1-1]

Kola is fairly close to GIUK gap, but the gap itself is huge and very watery, so it's probably best left for the whole Earth map. After all, it'll mostly be endless ocean bounded by landmasses from which it got its name. Also, air combat there would be mostly the domain of carrier aircraft, with maybe a few land based ones from Iceland and UK if the fighting got close. Kola map has all we need in that region, IMO.

[Jayhawk1971]

I would have absolutely no problem with a "watery" North Atlantic /GIUK map. Recreating the REFORGER part of a Cold War era scenario with the Navy trying to protect convoys headed for Europe from Soviet raids, or liberating Iceland from Soviet occupation would a lot of fun, especially in the form of Reflected/ Baltic Dragon-style SP campaigns.

Basically Red Storm Rising/ Hunt for Red October - the map. 

[Bremspropeller]

GIUK map with the Azores on the southern edge would be awesome.

Especially with airplanes like the P-3 or Atlantic flyable (or even in the game in the first place).

[Dragon1-1]

You know that if you want a huge swatch of water, you can just load up Marianas or SA, right? Or even Kola, it's got quite a bit of water around it. Naval aircraft we have in DCS are quite few in number, and Soviets barely used them, anyway. Ships in DCS are lacking, too. Most aircraft in DCS are land based, so a map that is pretty much only ocean would have limited utility.

Notice how most of Red Storm Rising and Hunt for Red October involved ships and submarines. Realistically, any Soviet aircraft fought would be flying from land bases. The only Soviet planes to fly from a carrier were Su-33 and Yak-38. Nothing else.

[Northstar98]

32 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

You know that if you want a huge swatch of water, you can just load up Marianas or SA, right?

Oh, why do we need a Germany map then? After all if you want huge-ish swathes of green, just load up the Cacausus or Normandy?

33 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Naval aircraft we have in DCS are quite few in number, and Soviets barely used them, anyway.

The same logic applies to just about every theatre in DCS.

Ironically one of the ones you named is one of the worst for being fleshed out. The South Atlantic for instance has exactly 0 British aircraft for any timeframe. Argentina only has the MB-339A and Chile only has the C-101CC and F-5E. And there are no upcoming aircraft that fit either.

For the GIUK gap, we at least have the F-4E (with an appropriate livery to boot), the E-3 (even if its the wrong variant), the Tu-22M3, the Tu-142 and if you're interested in RSR scenarios, the B-52H (albeit a post 1991 one) and the 9.12 MiG-29.

Cold War CVBGs at least have the early F-14A, A-6E and A-7E coming (which represents all of the primary combat aircraft), we are still missing an E-2C, EA-6B, KA-6D and S-3A, but at least for #1 and #4 we have stand-ins. CVBGs for the South Atlantic have 0 aircraft (either present or upcoming).

48 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Ships in DCS are lacking, too.

Yes, but there's enough there to work with.

Another lite simulator, which ironically had Iceland as a map only came w/ 3 Soviet ships (though it did have 6 US ones)

50 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Most aircraft in DCS are land based, so a map that is pretty much only ocean would have limited utility.

Luckily the GIUK has 4 major airbases for them then - unlike the Marianas which only has one.

Another thing is that the GIUK gap is a map that shouldn't take much in the way of resources to develop - the area is less developed than the Kola map and has a fraction of the land mass.