Rolling Posted April 21, 2024 Posted April 21, 2024 I bought nearly every module from ED, since LOMAC i am with this simulation. Usually i buy as soon they are in pre-order, i used to delay and bugs and issues of Beta, but since last year there is some change in DCS, is more a guts feeling, F-4 Phantom and Afghanistan was the last i bought at pre-order, all future Modules i will only buy on realease. The CH-47 is cool, and seems to come out soon, but i am worry that this is an empty promisse. 3
Migparts Posted April 21, 2024 Posted April 21, 2024 The F4E experience has been the reason to hold on for purchase on/after release, regardless of the product. Paying the higher price for a product in hand, is for me, the more sensible option. 2 George
[DE] T-Bone Posted April 22, 2024 Posted April 22, 2024 Very cool that we're getting the Chinook so early after all! Personally, I'm still waiting for the EA feature list and then the first test reports, but I'll definitely be buying it at some point. I still have 3 questions about the module: 1) Air-to-air refueling: I assume this means we get a refueling probe, will this then be selectable via the armament menu, like the FCR on the Apache, or just via ME? 2) Digital Automatic Flight Control System (DAFCS): Will this system have a full autopilot in the module in addition to the low level modes? So modes like HDG, ALT/ATT hold? 3) Cargo handling and versatility: What exactly do I mean by palletized standard goods? Does this mean we can use the Chinook to e.g. load Hellfire from an airport warehouse and then unload it in a FARP? 2 Main machine: Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 64Gb 3600Mhz, Gainward RTX 5080 Phoenix V1 Second machine: Ryzen 7 5700X3D, 64Gb 3600Mhz, Gainward RTX 5070 Python III Equipment: DIY FFB-Pedals, Virpil AH-64 Collective, DIY FFB-Rhino, TrackIR 5
Mr_sukebe Posted April 22, 2024 Posted April 22, 2024 Having most other modules (including all of the existing choppers), I had a very good think about the Chinook and have decided that it’s a no from me. Not that I don’t want a Chinook. However, I’ve come to the conclusion that the time period I enjoy the most is Cold War. So I’d love a Vietnam suitable version, but a glass auto lots just doesn’t appeal. 7 7800x3d, 5080, 64GB, PCIE5 SSD - Oculus Pro - Moza (AB9), Virpil (Alpha, CM3, CM1 and CM2), WW (TOP and CP), TM (MFDs, Pendular Rudder), Tek Creations (F18 panel), Total Controls (Apache MFD), Jetseat
zerO_crash Posted April 22, 2024 Posted April 22, 2024 Definitely a pre-order! Interestingly enough, this will be the third and last, of the three most used helicopter configurations in the world (conventional, tandem and co-axial). Going to be even more interesting to see in VR! Fantastic! On 4/19/2024 at 5:18 PM, BIGNEWY said: Powerful Performance: Powered by two Honeywell T55-GA-714A engines, the CH-47F offers impressive power and performance. These engines deliver up to 4,868-shaft-horsepower combined, enabling the aircraft to reach speeds over 175 mph (282 km/h) with a payload of more than 21,000 pounds (9,500kg). One correction: Each Honeywell T-55-GA-714A produces 4,868 shaft power - which is 9,736 shaft horsepower combined 2 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Smashy Posted April 22, 2024 Posted April 22, 2024 (edited) 3 hours ago, Mr_sukebe said: Having most other modules (including all of the existing choppers), I had a very good think about the Chinook and have decided that it’s a no from me. Not that I don’t want a Chinook. However, I’ve come to the conclusion that the time period I enjoy the most is Cold War. So I’d love a Vietnam suitable version, but a glass auto lots just doesn’t appeal. I'm excited for the Chinook but the glass cockpit is a bit of a nightmare, from a home cockpit planning perspective. The 6x6 MPDs on the Apache were slightly tricky to map to my WinWing MFDs. The Chinook looks like it has effectively three 7x9 MPDs per crew station plus what appears to be a CDU/data-entry panel. Yikes! Edited April 22, 2024 by Smashy 1
pii Posted April 24, 2024 Posted April 24, 2024 On 4/21/2024 at 3:09 PM, Migparts said: The F4E experience has been the reason to hold on for purchase on/after release, regardless of the product. Paying the higher price for a product in hand, is for me, the more sensible option. Paying more for no reason is not "more sensible" than getting a product at the lowest price. Buy at the lowest price and never fire it up for two years and you are in the same spot as waiting except you got it for less.. Now that's sensible IMO
AceGoat Posted April 24, 2024 Posted April 24, 2024 Hi all, I imagine this post will be deleted as it is obviously me saying negative things, but I am going to post it anyway.# I, like many others have been a dedicated player in DCS World for many years now, I have probably spent over 6000 hours playing the game in total. I have always bought modules and terrains that I've wanted, but I won't be doing this with the Chinook. After reading the FAQ that it won't even release with any of the features it needs to function as it is supposed to it is absolutely unacceptable, even more so that ED hasn't put a release date for the logistics system. If they had put a release date for the features we are all expecting the Chinook to have then I would be a bit more understanding and think "Fair enough, they have given us a release schedule". But I can see this module becoming another F16 or Supercarrier module, a complete mess that is left for years to come with missing features and bugs, granted that ED have done well with the F16 but that wasn't always the case. The Supercarrier Module hasn't been touched for years now apart from adding glow sticks, it is still missing its lower deck and briefing room and is still plagued with bugs that have been there for as long as I can remember, such as the ground crew not recognising you trying to line up on the cat, resulting in you having to reslot. So, please do not preorder or buy the Chinook until it has the features it needs to function properly, the Chinook NEEDS the new logistics system, without it we are all just going have to rely on community scripters as we pretyt much always have too. If we all just throw our money at these very half baked systems then all ED is going to do is just move on to the next module and put the Chinook on the back burner. 7 1
Hiob Posted April 24, 2024 Posted April 24, 2024 (edited) I just want to fly it. Can I, please? You don't like it, you don't buy it. Don't make a fuzz about it. This is what is going to happen: I will pre-order it (together with the full afghanistan map). I will be excited like a kid on christmas eve. I will download it, the day it arrives. I will fire it up and fly around for a couple of hours and check out the new map. I will be having a blast and enjoying myself. Eventually I will fly it less, because it has to share time with my other modules. I will be happy, when new features arrive and when it has problems, I will fly other modules and missions until it is fixed. Edit: Took some of the edges away from my post. I was (am) a bit triggered by the sentiment of topics like this, but that is a personal problem. Edited April 24, 2024 by Hiob 20 "Muß ich denn jedes Mal, wenn ich sauge oder saugblase den Schlauchstecker in die Schlauchnut schieben?"
AceGoat Posted April 24, 2024 Posted April 24, 2024 @Hiob Yes, you can do what you want with your money. But it doesnt' help the issue with ED and their love for bring out half baked modules and then putting them on the back burner while they move on to the next module in their list. I hope I am wrong as I would love to see the Chinook with all the features we expect with it. 2
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted April 24, 2024 Author ED Team Posted April 24, 2024 5 minutes ago, AceGoat said: Hi all, I imagine this post will be deleted as it is obviously me saying negative things, but I am going to post it anyway.# I, like many others have been a dedicated player in DCS World for many years now, I have probably spent over 6000 hours playing the game in total. I have always bought modules and terrains that I've wanted, but I won't be doing this with the Chinook. After reading the FAQ that it won't even release with any of the features it needs to function as it is supposed to it is absolutely unacceptable, even more so that ED hasn't put a release date for the logistics system. If they had put a release date for the features we are all expecting the Chinook to have then I would be a bit more understanding and think "Fair enough, they have given us a release schedule". But I can see this module becoming another F16 or Supercarrier module, a complete mess that is left for years to come with missing features and bugs, granted that ED have done well with the F16 but that wasn't always the case. The Supercarrier Module hasn't been touched for years now apart from adding glow sticks, it is still missing its lower deck and briefing room and is still plagued with bugs that have been there for as long as I can remember, such as the ground crew not recognising you trying to line up on the cat, resulting in you having to reslot. So, please do not preorder or buy the Chinook until it has the features it needs to function properly, the Chinook NEEDS the new logistics system, without it we are all just going have to rely on community scripters as we pretyt much always have too. If we all just throw our money at these very half baked systems then all ED is going to do is just move on to the next module and put the Chinook on the back burner. I am sorry you feel that way and you are welcome to your opinion, but please don't tell other people what to do, it is a choice everyone can make if they wish to. Pre-order and early access is optional and we understand not everyone likes it. Pre-orders are going well and we are humbled by the support the community have given us for the CH-47F, we know it is a popular helicopter and will bring new gameplay to DCS. Regarding your other comments, our projects do take a lot of time, they are complex and with modules like the Supercarrier are introducing new features to DCS never seen before, we have had to wait for multithreading for some of those features to work correctly which has taken time. But the supercarrier is enjoyed by thousands of users already and we have plane directors, airboss and all the remaining features to look forward to, work is in progress and I hope we can share news soon. Again, without long early access periods these projects would not be possible, so we do require patience, and are grateful for the support given to us by many. We continue to work on our products and our changelogs show the work we have done. Best regards bignewy 7 2 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
AceGoat Posted April 24, 2024 Posted April 24, 2024 1 minute ago, BIGNEWY said: I am sorry you feel that way and you are welcome to your opinion, but please don't tell other people what to do, it is a choice everyone can make if they wish to. Pre-order and early access is optional and we understand not everyone likes it. Pre-orders are going well and we are humbled by the support the community have given us for the CH-47F, we know it is a popular helicopter and will bring new gameplay to DCS. Regarding your other comments, our projects do take a lot of time, they are complex and with modules like the Supercarrier are introducing new features to DCS never seen before, we have had to wait for multithreading for some of those features to work correctly which has taken time. But the supercarrier is enjoyed by thousands of users already and we have plane directors, airboss and all the remaining features to look forward to, work is in progress and I hope we can share news soon. Again, without long early access periods these projects would not be possible, so we do require patience, and are grateful for the support given to us by many. We continue to work on our products and our changelogs show the work we have done. Best regards bignewy Thank you for your reply. As I said, I hope I am completely wrong and that it isn't ages until we see the new logitics system in-game. I've been very excited for the Chinook and expected that it would come in to Early Access with the new logistics system as it really needs it to function as a Chinook, but after seeing that it is literally just going to be the helicopter and none of its gameplay associated with it, I feel pretty deflated about the heli. Hopefully the ED Devs working on it get it all done in a reasonable amount of time and we see the features sooner than later.
Silver_Dragon Posted April 24, 2024 Posted April 24, 2024 35 minutes ago, AceGoat said: Thank you for your reply. As I said, I hope I am completely wrong and that it isn't ages until we see the new logitics system in-game. I've been very excited for the Chinook and expected that it would come in to Early Access with the new logistics system as it really needs it to function as a Chinook, but after seeing that it is literally just going to be the helicopter and none of its gameplay associated with it, I feel pretty deflated about the heli. Hopefully the ED Devs working on it get it all done in a reasonable amount of time and we see the features sooner than later. On fact, the logistic system has none exclusive about the CH-47F. Has other module on progress, C-130J from Aircraft Simulation Company with the expanded logistic system has a main task, and of course, the previous cargo / Lights helicopters (UH-1H, Mi-8, Sa-342, Mi-24) and other incoming modules (Bo-105, OH-58D, etc). On CH-47F video has some "clues" about the logistic system, as a HMMVW into the Chinnok, the new infantry, and surely more. We waiting about them. 1 For Work/Gaming: 28" Philips 246E Monitor - Ryzen 7 1800X - 32 GB DDR4 - nVidia RTX1080 - SSD 860 EVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 2 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Warthog / TPR / MDF
Tom Kazansky Posted April 24, 2024 Posted April 24, 2024 1 hour ago, AceGoat said: I have always bought modules and terrains that I've wanted dito 1
lee1hy Posted April 24, 2024 Posted April 24, 2024 (edited) ED's core features are always released two years after launch.(A-G RADER, AH64 FCR,) CH-47 is CARGO/FATCOW/WATER LANDING is expected to be released probably a year later, around 2026. I think Mig-29 will same (GCI system) However, ch47 is hopeful because it can be responded to with CTLD and MOOSE scripts. Edited April 24, 2024 by lee1hy kim_123456#3214 My awesome liveries user files https://shorturl.at/cdKV5
Hiob Posted April 24, 2024 Posted April 24, 2024 You should see the money you spend on DCS as expenses, not as investment. Because it isn't. It's a hobby, a free time activity and as such it is not supposed to generate interest or earnings, but costs money. Make a mature decision on what you get now for your money and if you are willing to part ways with your cash in this state. If not, don't do it. I like taking advantage of EA and pre-order discounts, because it keeps the (not insignificant) costs for DCS at bay (relatively). And I know, that I would end up buying it anyway. For the simple reason that it is the only way for me to experience those magnificant machines. Also, compared to other hobbies/activities, DCS isn't even remotely the most expensive. I know, there is a sentiment of "pre-ordering and EA gives the wrong incentives to ED, encouraging them to spill out new unfinished modules instead of polishing the core game". But I think this is completely backwards. Every business needs cashflow, first and foremost to keep paying there employees (the people that are supposed to work on the core game e.g.). The cashflow that is generated by selling new modules comes to benefit all projects that ED is working on, including the core game. I really can't understand, why people think it isn't in their best interest to improve the core game. I can only imagine that those people never had real insight in business operations. Let's play this through - If ED would stop developing new modules and solely focus on core functionalities and bugfixes, what would happen? The cashflow (at least from the consumer side of things - I don't know about any other business activities of ED), would mostly dry out. (I assume that the lion's share of revenue is not generated by the portfolio of older modules, but by the initial sales of new modules). How would that help the developement of anything. People still want to be paid. The only alternative to that would probably a subcription based model - but ED has stated multiple times that they don't want to go this way (Thankfully! As far as I'm concerned). So, long story short. I will keep buying EA and pre-order modules. First and foremost for the selfish reason to take advantage of the discount. Second, because I can thoroughly enjoy what is included in the initial release and find it worth the money. The perspective of getting more down the road is a neat bonus. If by doing so, I show support for ED - I'm fine with that. I like their product and I like ED as a company. Especially for the way, they engage with their customers. So - is everything golden? No, of course not. There are issues and things, that I miss. If it is important enough, I make a thread or a post about it and try to stay constructive. But I'm aware, that my priorities may differ from anybody elses. Is this the only way to see things? NO, of course not. But it is at least as valid as any other. And that is the reason, that I'm kind of triggered by topics lihe this one. Sorry, long post /rant 12 "Muß ich denn jedes Mal, wenn ich sauge oder saugblase den Schlauchstecker in die Schlauchnut schieben?"
skypickle Posted April 24, 2024 Posted April 24, 2024 Why isnt ED using AI to write its code? They could 10x the output with the same staff? 4930K @ 4.5, 32g ram, TitanPascal
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted April 24, 2024 Author ED Team Posted April 24, 2024 1 minute ago, Viking 1-1 said: If you don't like it, don't buy it. That's as easy as it is I'm happy to buy it right now, since I'm supporting ED with my money. And I like to do this, since I want ED to be successful, since this is the only company that supports my hobby to the fullest We appreciate the support, it really does make these projects possible. 1 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
Viking 1-1 Posted April 24, 2024 Posted April 24, 2024 Somehow my post disappeared, this is what I wrote: If you don't like it, don't buy it. That's as easy as it is I'm happy to buy it right now, since I'm supporting ED with my money. And I like to do this, since I want ED to be successful, since this is the only company that supports my hobby to the fullest 4 Before you call everything a "bug": RTFM & try again! Thank you. :music_whistling: I9-9900k, 32 GB RAM, Geforce RTX 2080 TI, 128 GB M2 SSD, 1 TB SSD, Track IR, Warthog Hotas
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted April 24, 2024 Author ED Team Posted April 24, 2024 6 minutes ago, Viking 1-1 said: Somehow my post disappeared, no idea how that happened, I even replied to it any way, thank you again. 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
Iron Sights Posted April 24, 2024 Posted April 24, 2024 We want to have a good flight sim, we need to support ED it if we can. This is what helps them grow. It is a choice, but early access is just that. I have three preorders going right now, just show my support. This is knowing that they will be EA. Overtime they improve and it just makes your hangar better. It is just an option, so no one has to preorder, but some people want to have that option to get a discount. Waiting is also a way some people go to avoid any bugs, but everyone can make their own choices here. 1
MAXsenna Posted April 24, 2024 Posted April 24, 2024 Won't comply! You didn't say "pretty" and what's an F16? I don't appreciate when people tell me what to do when I'm having too much fun and a blast. Been waiting close to 30 years for a better Afghan map, and can't wait to hop into the Chinook.How many times do you expect ED to acknowledge that the F-16 release was a little premature? You sound like my mother, still complaining about something that l broke 40+ years ago. Still love her though!For the time being I'm gonna purchase everything in support, like Viking says. Hell, I have almost every campaign and only finished about five or so. My girlfriend wanted the T-shirt too. Didn't think twice about it. Heatblur deserves it! It's an expensive hobby, but nothing compared to drinking beer!So cheers to all! Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk 6
notproplayer3 Posted April 24, 2024 Posted April 24, 2024 It's going to be the first time I'll actively not preorder ED stuff even if the products interest me. First of all, looking at previous releases they were always pushed back, whether intentional or not, this does not make me want to preorder. Secondly, I have a personal suspicion that them being vague about the launch features list and having big features not present on release is a sign that their product might come out very rushed or broken on release. Logistics not being present on release feels like it's going to be added to the long list of unfinished core features DCS desperately needs. The supercarrier, combined arms, mission editor features, ground AI, etc... all things I feel like ED has left to the side because they are not as cool and shinny as the next new aircraft module but that are now waiting years upon years to receive substantial upgrades. Even on some aircraft, I remember the A10C II module (which is great btw) had to wait like one or two years (I can't remember) before it got the new radio in it, they literally released the thing, abandoned it for a while and came back to it here and there to satisfy their contractual obligation. With the Chinook I get the same sinking feeling, they are going to release the thing, give some patches to it, and it's going to take months upon months if not years until they release a big update like logistics. Their stunt between them and RAZBAM in front of all customers doesn't make me want to support either developper. From my point of view, I am just seeing RAZBAM devs saying they are leaving ship (i.e abandoning several 60.- products) and ED acting like nothing is happening. Either way ED is at least partly responsible for this and I won't pay ED if just the next day I learn that I have lost several hundred CHF because all RAZBAM products will stop EA development. So to be clear, everyone, do as you wish with your money, since this is a thread, I am just telling you what I'll do with mine and why. 3 Full fidelity su27/mig29 ?
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