waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[Horns]

1 hour ago, LordOrion said:

I think it's already clear enough, (just read all the related posts in the thread).

What's clear is that they never asked for the worst case scenario. You didn't tell them that was what you were providing. What was said between you and MiG21bisFishbedL subsequent to that really has nothing to do with anything. Still winds up being an answer that can be misleading, even if that wasn't your intention.

[LordOrion]

1 hour ago, Horns said:

What's clear is that they never asked for the worst case scenario. You didn't tell them that was what you were providing. What was said between you and MiG21bisFishbedL subsequent to that really has nothing to do with anything. Still winds up being an answer that can be misleading, even if that wasn't your intention.

ED and RB that does not settle up the dispute IS the worst case scenario: in that case we will much probably lose immediately the support/further development not only for the F-15E but for all RB modules. And  in the mid/long term we will completely lose them the same way we lost the Hawk some years ago. It's not a pretty prospect, but it's realistically what could happen if everything went to hell.

There is nothing "misleading" in my posts, just read them carefully with the correct context.

And there is no need to be so upset.

Edited March 23 by LordOrion

[Horns]

8 minutes ago, LordOrion said:

ED and RB that does not settle up the dispute IS the worst case scenario: in that case we will much probably lose immediately the support/further development not only for the F-15E but for all RB modules. And  in the mid/long term we will completely lose them the same way we lost the Hawk some years ago. It's not a pretty prospect, but it's realistically what could happen if everything went to hell.

There is nothing "misleading" in my posts, just read them carefully with the correct context.

And there is no need to be so upset.

Razbam and ED not reaching an agreement doesn’t equal the end of the line for the module. Even if the dispute doesn’t get settled the module could get sold to a different dev to continue development or RB or another party could commit to keep the module running in its current state. Sure, we could lose it, but that’s only one possibility.

That’s what makes your post misleading.

 

[LordOrion]

6 minutes ago, Horns said:

Razbam and ED not reaching an agreement doesn’t equal the end of the line for the module. Even if the dispute doesn’t get settled the module could get sold to a different dev to continue development or RB or another party could commit to keep the module running in its current state. Sure, we could lose it, but that’s only one possibility.

That’s what makes your post misleading.

 

Don't take it personally, but to me that seems just "wishful thinking".

Maybe that's just a matter of seeing the glass "half full" or "half empty" but I prefer to hope fot the best and get ready for the worst.

And I'm saying this hoping to be badly wrong

Edited March 23 by LordOrion

[Horns]

17 minutes ago, LordOrion said:

Don't take it personally, but to me that seems just "wishful thinking".

Maybe that's just a matter of seeing the glass "half full" or "half empty" but I prefer to hope fot the best and get ready for the worst.

And I'm saying this hoping to be badly wrong

Ok, I’ll let it drop there. Maybe you’re right about it being wishful thinking but either way we’d both like to see the module survive 

[LordOrion]

5 minutes ago, Horns said:

Ok, I’ll let it drop there. Maybe you’re right about it being wishful thinking but either way we’d both like to see the module survive 

I'm not 100% but 1000% agree with you about this

[Shibbyland]

Who here still has (and uses) the F-15e?

One of the concerns that's come up a lot since this started is that RAZBAM modules will stop working. What's the current state of that module? 

I refunded as I didn't expect it to be completed and so an unfinished two crew aircraft is undesirable to me. That being said, I'm curious. If one never read this thread and had no idea about this issue would the F-15e be an acceptable module as it stands right now?

Edited March 24 by Shibbyland

[Hammer1-1]

38 minutes ago, Shibbyland said:

Who here still has (and uses) the F-15e?

One of the concerns that's come up a lot since this started is that RAZBAM modules will stop working. What's the current state of that module? 

I refunded as I didn't expect it to be completed and so an unfinished two crew aircraft is undesirable to me. That being said, I'm curious. If one never read this thread and had no idea about this issue would the F-15e be an acceptable module as it stands right now?

theres still quite a few people that fly it, plenty of groups that fly it as well. ED will probably honor the ED Miles rebate until the yay or nay on development.

[Shot]

7 hours ago, Shibbyland said:

Who here still has (and uses) the F-15e?

One of the concerns that's come up a lot since this started is that RAZBAM modules will stop working. What's the current state of that module? 

I refunded as I didn't expect it to be completed and so an unfinished two crew aircraft is undesirable to me. That being said, I'm curious. If one never read this thread and had no idea about this issue would the F-15e be an acceptable module as it stands right now?

I'm frequently flying the F-15E and obviously stuff is missing (weapons, systems, ...) but whatever is implemented is absolutely useable and a lot of fun.  Only bug which really gets me is that sometimes the "Next" button on the Smart Weapons page doesn't work.  Once the other bombs are dropped though, it works again.  Overall, I'd say the module has less annoying bugs than other modules.

[alejandr0]

7 hours ago, Shibbyland said:

Who here still has (and uses) the F-15e?

One of the concerns that's come up a lot since this started is that RAZBAM modules will stop working. What's the current state of that module? 

I refunded as I didn't expect it to be completed and so an unfinished two crew aircraft is undesirable to me. That being said, I'm curious. If one never read this thread and had no idea about this issue would the F-15e be an acceptable module as it stands right now?

It still works, despite various people's statements that it doesn't work... I hope they will continue to work, because I bought a few of them... even after spending circa 600 hours with such a demanding and interesting plane... But it remains to wait for the resolution of this matter, positive or not.
Because what influence do you have on what will happen in this matter.

[Beirut]

8 hours ago, Shibbyland said:

Who here still has (and uses) the F-15e?

 

Me.  

 

However, I will temper my enthusiasm for the plane lest I be admonished yet again for citing it's qualities, so I'll just say.. "It's not that bad".

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

5 hours ago, Beirut said:

 

Me.  

 

However, I will temper my enthusiasm for the plane lest I be admonished yet again for citing it's qualities, so I'll just say.. "It's not that bad".

I felt the same, it wasn't bad. It was probably RB's best release. I just don't act like it's the greatest thing that has happened to flight sims and the sole reason DCS exists since it's not finished just yet.

And, also, the F-4E exists. 

[Czar66]

15 hours ago, Shibbyland said:

Who here still has (and uses) the F-15e?

I do. I fly it weekly and I am editing a lite AAR tutorial that includes it at the moment.

Beastly machine, amazing experience despite all the flaws that haven't been ironed out. I could and I did make a large list of the current problems it has that cheapens the whole module, but I cancel posting it here for being too negative (unproductive).

Yeah....it is that good....and at the same time not.

Edited March 24 by Czar66

[draconus]

On 3/24/2025 at 2:47 AM, Shibbyland said:

That being said, I'm curious. If one never read this thread and had no idea about this issue would the F-15e be an acceptable module as it stands right now?

It's in the same condition as exactly 1 year ago. If you're Eagle fan the module is a must have, no questions about that.

For SP there are still couple dozen of built-in playable short missions and then some more user made content, including real gems ex. from Sedlo, probably the best DCS mission I played. We're missing campaigns though and mission creators are not willing to invest untill the resolution comes.

[Jayhawk1971]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb draconus:

We're missing campaigns though and mission creators are not willing to invest untill the resolution comes.

Sadly, this! 

[LordOrion]

2 hours ago, draconus said:

 We're missing campaigns though and mission creators are not willing to invest untill the resolution comes.

9 minutes ago, Jayhawk1971 said:

Sadly, this! 

There are some user-made campaigns available on the User-Files section of the game website, and some of them are not bad at all.

And moreover, we can use the F-15E within both Liberation and Retribuition dynamic campains.

Edited March 25 by LordOrion

[Czar66]

10 hours ago, LordOrion said:

And moreover, we can use the F-15E within both Liberation and Retribuition dynamic campains.

To add, Briefing Room with a good well balanced template can be your and the SE friend too. I've been spending 98% of my DCS time with it for the past 6 months.

Yesterday Briefing Room generated for me a strike over two frigates at the western coast of Cyprus and a ground conflict throughout the island that was worth the remaining ordinance on important targets. Returned to base near mach 1 and still had 16k lb of Fuel left because I wrongly took 2 bags where I should put even more bombs. 

4x GBU-10s, 1x GBU-24 into the sortie, with space for 2x Mk-84s more, while still having enough A-A to self escort. It is a single player work horse.

Edited March 25 by Czar66

[Shibbyland]

1 hour ago, Czar66 said:

To add, Briefing Room with a good well balanced template can be your and the SE friend too. I've been spending 98% of my DCS time with it for the past 6 months.

Yesterday Briefing Room generated for me a strike over two frigates at the western coast of Cyprus and a ground conflict throughout the island that was worth the remaining ordinance on important targets. Returned to base near mach 1 and still had 16k lb of Fuel left because I wrongly took 2 bags where I should put even more bombs. 

4x GBU-10s, 1x GBU-24 into the sortie, with space for 2x Mk-84s more, while still having enough A-A to self escort. It is a single player work horse.

Deviating from the RAZBAM nature of this thread just for a moment. I hadn't heard of briefing room so thanks for mentioning it. Just looking at it now, it's looks awesome. If only it was built into the game.

[Czar66]

59 minutes ago, Shibbyland said:

Deviating from the RAZBAM nature of this thread just for a moment. I hadn't heard of briefing room so thanks for mentioning it. Just looking at it now, it's looks awesome. If only it was built into the game.

It isn't perfect, though it scratches the itch of having a somewhat bulky and highly customizable random mission generator. Good for the modules that are too new for content availability or in a case similar to the F-15E.

[Horns]

Can @BIGNEWY or @NineLine comment on whether maintaining compatibility with mature Razbam modules is impacting the timeline for introduction of DCS 3.0, and whether full compatibility is currently expected for these modules (as now)? If anything can be shared re an ETA for DCS 3.0 it would be appreciated, although I know it is not the subject of this thread...

[BIGNEWY]

1 minute ago, Horns said:

Can @BIGNEWY or @NineLine comment on whether maintaining compatibility with mature Razbam modules is impacting the timeline for introduction of DCS 3.0, and whether full compatibility is currently expected for these modules (as now)? If anything can be shared re an ETA for DCS 3.0 it would be appreciated, although I know it is not the subject of this thread...

Hi, our work continues as usual, and is not affected. I hope we can share news about Vulkan in a future newsletter.

But lets keep on topic here.

thank you 

[Horns]

21 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

Hi, our work continues as usual, and is not affected. I hope we can share news about Vulkan in a future newsletter.

But lets keep on topic here.

thank you 

Cheers for answering and kudos to ED for staying on track despite needing to accommodate these modules as-is.

[happyhappy]

On 2025/3/24 at 午前3時1分, Horns said:

 

 

 

happyhappy さんが、最悪のシナリオは何かと質問した箇所を教えてください。私が見る限り、そしてこの記事を書いている時点では、回答を編集した形跡は見当たりませんが、彼らは「Razbam との法的紛争がうまくいかなかった場合、F-15ES モジュールはどうなるのか」と質問しています。あなたは、起こり得るいくつかの結果のうちの 1 つを示しており、最悪のシナリオのみを 示していることを明確にしていません 。それが起こり得る 1 つの結果であると指摘するのはもっともですが、少なくとも部分的な回答しかしていない場合は明確にしてください。

That's the simple answer

If this half-finished module remains, the F-15E we want will never be able to fly with DCS.

Right now it looks perfect on the outside, but it's junk on the inside.

Are you satisfied with this F15E?

[draconus]

15 minutes ago, happyhappy said:

Are you satisfied with this F15E?

This is frequently asked question and yes, most of whom didn't refund the module are pretty satisfied with the Strike Eagle, far from "junk". Despite that we'd all love to get it back on track with updates, fixes and additions.

[Hiob]

2 hours ago, happyhappy said:

Right now it looks perfect on the outside, but it's junk on the inside.

That's a strong choice of words. It is not feature complete, that's true. (Though one could argue that no module ever is, when the benchmark is the real aircraft)
Apart from that - it is no more "junk" than any other Early-Access module.