waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[Rosebud47]

Replacing Razbam´s F-15E with a wishful Eagle Dynamics F-15E is exactly why I´ve asked @NineLine for how long the refund for Razbam´s F-15E is applicable ;-).

[Hammer1-1]

On 4/13/2025 at 12:26 AM, SharpeXB said:

Amazingly it’s not enough of an incentive to resolve the situation.

Yes, Razbam has been fighting for minimum wage all this time.

Dude...hang your head in shame.

[NineLine]

9 hours ago, AvgeekJoe said:

Freeware campaigns for user files ok?

Might make one for user files in 4Q if so. About to finish a training one for the F/A-18C.

I appreciate very much the pledge to maintain compatibility.  

If you want to do something on your own for free and upload it to user files, yeah there is absolutely no issue there.

53 minutes ago, Rosebud47 said:

Replacing Razbam´s F-15E with a wishful Eagle Dynamics F-15E is exactly why I´ve asked @NineLine for how long the refund for Razbam´s F-15E is applicable ;-).

As far as I am aware it will be available as long as we are working through these issues. 

[NineLine]

7 hours ago, Darth Holliday said:

Cant another company (or anybody) just fill the RB void...?? I mean RB cannot hold an aircraft copyright...(Or maybe it is already being worked on.. !)

If someone wanted to do another Hawk, they would be more than welcome to do it even though at one time VEAO had attempted it and left.

[upyr1]

7 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

Hi upyr1, please do not make new threads, ask your questions here, but please take the time to read the first post, that is all we have to say for now until the dispute is resolved. 

thank you 

 

thread merged

I was wondering if you could pin a faq thread that will cover what can be established as 100% fact. I am really concerned about what sort of support Eagle can do for these modules. 

[NineLine]

20 minutes ago, upyr1 said:

I was wondering if you could pin a faq thread that will cover what can be established as 100% fact. I am really concerned about what sort of support Eagle can do for these modules. 

We have the 1st post in this thread, what we have done over the last year is what we will continue to do. 

[Rosebud47]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb NineLine:

As far as I am aware it will be available as long as we are working through these issues. 

Thanks @NineLine Legal cases can take years to be resolved ...

[Silver_Dragon]

3 hours ago, Tank50us said:

Something like this would be especially good for those getting into DCS and not sure if they want to even touch helicopters or not. Personally, I think DCS needs one module of each 'era', 'base', and type for free to give people a feel for where they want to go and spend their money. If it were up to me, those would be:

• WW2/Korea: Mustang
• Cold War: T/A-37 Tweet/Dragonfly
• Late Cold War/Modern: Su25T and Jaguar (around this time the Western and Soviet avionics are quite distinct)
• Carrier Based: A-4 Skyhawk
• Helicopter OH/AH-6 Cayuse/Little Bird

We have a Mustang... from some years ago by ED, and the Su-25T has very improbable by the actual situation (a post cold war), a version A has more feasible.

[Tank50us]

4 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

We have a Mustang...

Yeah, the problem there is that the free one has no weapons. If it had a second seat, then it would have a bit more utility, but as it is now, it's really only good for air show things like aerobatics or racing.

Though I do agree with ya on the Frogfoot. But I think it should have a western counterpart as well since the avionics and weapons load don't really translate well if you're trying to fly something NATO. The Jaguar is a good option for this, since it kinda got around.

[draconus]

5 hours ago, Tank50us said:

Personally, I think DCS needs one module of each 'era', 'base', and type for free to give people a feel for where they want to go and spend their money.

You can test for free almost all modules for 2 weeks.

[Darth Holliday]

11 hours ago, Beirut said:

 

If someone started an F-15E from scratch today, a lot of us might be well past retirement age by the time it hits early access.

 

   Early access is akin to kick-starter...I know I have learned my lesson....

[Silver_Dragon]

37 minutes ago, Tank50us said:

Yeah, the problem there is that the free one has no weapons. If it had a second seat, then it would have a bit more utility, but as it is now, it's really only good for air show things like aerobatics or racing.

Though I do agree with ya on the Frogfoot. But I think it should have a western counterpart as well since the avionics and weapons load don't really translate well if you're trying to fly something NATO. The Jaguar is a good option for this, since it kinda got around.

@Tank50us.... are you serious?. We have a P-51D mustang FF module from 2012, build by ED... and no, that has not the TF-51D free.

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/dcs_p51d_mustang/

About the Su-25 contrapart, has the A-10C.... yes, has no a "Cold War" version (we need a A-10A), but actualy ED has no plans, but by the actual "road", put many FC-3 modules on FF, surely on a future, will coming a A-10A version FF.

Edited April 14 by Silver_Dragon

[rob10]

11 hours ago, Darth Holliday said:

Cant another company (or anybody) just fill the RB void...?? I mean RB cannot hold an aircraft copyright...(Or maybe it is already being worked on.. !)

RB may not hold a "copyright" on the F-15E, but I would be completely shocked if there is not an exclusively clause in their agreements with ED that means no one else can develop a DCS F-15E.  In fact, ED moved to announcing "forthcoming" modules sooner because there had been a few cases where 2 different teams were independently working on the early stages of module without realizing the other existed and only one was able to move forward with a module for DCS so the other teams work became worthless and wasted.

[nessuno0505]

We will have an ED F-15C. I know it's almost a completely different aircraft, but it's a 15, and a 15 was needed in DCS world. I think the ED F-15C aims at patching the hole left by RB F-15E departure. We will never see a RB F-15E in DCS again. The fact that ED already refunds it speaks for itself.

[Darth Holliday]

6 minutes ago, rob10 said:

RB may not hold a "copyright" on the F-15E, but I would be completely shocked if there is not an exclusively clause in their agreements with ED that means no one else can develop a DCS F-15E.  In fact, ED moved to announcing "forthcoming" modules sooner because there had been a few cases where 2 different teams were independently working on the early stages of module without realizing the other existed and only one was able to move forward with a module for DCS so the other teams work became worthless and wasted.

  Hehehe, international contract law....what a hoot..Cant have an exclusive if it don't work....Must have a sunset...

Edited April 14 by Darth Holliday
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[Silver_Dragon]

1 minute ago, Darth Holliday said:

  Hehehe, international contract law....what a hoot..

No.... someone need remember the L-39.... ED and a 3rd party make them on paralel.... and some need remembre when RAZBAM coming to DCS with the T-2/F-15E, etc plans, other 3rd party called IRIS claimed a F-15E, F-14 and others modules at same time (IRIS drop from DCS and your 3rd party was disolved a year or two after).

[Hammer1-1]

6 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

No.... someone need remember the L-39.... ED and a 3rd party make them on paralel.... and some need remembre when RAZBAM coming to DCS with the T-2/F-15E, etc plans, other 3rd party called IRIS claimed a F-15E, F-14 and others modules at same time (IRIS drop from DCS and your 3rd party was disolved a year or two after).

Oddly enough it was IRIS and Razbam who put together the F-15E gold package for FSX way back in the day.  IIRC, IRIS was a cheap FSX module maker too with just good 3D modelers and not much else...like Razbam.

Edited April 14 by Hammer1-1

[Tank50us]

37 minutes ago, draconus said:

You can test for free almost all modules for 2 weeks.

I'm aware, but I'm not talking about test driving the existing modules. I'm talking about some more options for people to dip their toes into before deciding what path they want to go down. Especially Steam users who don't get access the trials.

30 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

@Tank50us.... are you serious?. We have a P-51D mustang FF module from 2012, build by ED... and no, that has not the TF-51D free.

I was talking about the TF-51, and while I do have the regular Mustang, I think it'd be better if there was something with some combat utility in place of (or in conjunction with) the TF51.

31 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

About the Su-25 contrapart, has the A-10C.... yes, has no a "Cold War" version (we need a A-10A), but actualy ED has no plans, but by the actual "road", put many FC-3 modules on FF, surely on a future, will coming a A-10A version FF.

That's also why I'm suggesting the Jag. It's hard hitting and fast while the Frogfoot has a bit more staying power at the cost of speed. On the plus side, both aircraft can land just about anywhere, certainly good for the beginners who bring their birds in a little..... hot...... Yes, I know the Hog can handle some rough fields, but operating from road bases in DCS with it is certainly not happening easily. My previous group tried and the hogs kept getting stuck.

[freehand]

If you give to much there is no need to buy people will be happy just with the free stuff.

[Raisuli]

5 hours ago, NineLine said:

If someone wanted to do another Hawk, they would be more than welcome to do it even though at one time VEAO had attempted it and left.

I still miss my Hawk.  I paid a bit for that 'attempt', and it was a blast to fly.  Roll rate so insane it could rip your eyeballs out; like the A-4. 

All of which reminds me there's never anything new, so even if more birds go extinct it won't be the first time, eh?

[Beirut]

2 hours ago, Darth Holliday said:

 

   Early access is akin to kick-starter...I know I have learned my lesson....

 

I'm still good with early access. I've bought lots of stuff EA and I'm far more happy than disappointed with the end results.

[Giggling Doom]

Well I Know that ED has a vanilla statement at the beginning of this forum thread. But there would be much less speculation and conversation that seems to make people take a statement meant to clarify another users statement as an accusation. If ED just Informed us of the Basic Grievance. If they do not that is fine but getting mad over conversation and speculation seems silly at this point considering that 4 modules for DCS is near or above $200... also if they did not want that why was this thread left open to responses. Also I will note people are allowed to Denigrate Razbam by calling it Rascam in this forum. I would just say that if any of my previous statements in my conversations were deemed bad .. then would demeaning the other party not also be of the same level?

 

this is a general question and not aimed at anyone just looking for opinions.

 

 

Edited April 15 by Giggling Doom

[NineLine]

13 minutes ago, Giggling Doom said:

Well I Know that ED has a vanilla statement at the beginning of this forum thread. But there would be much less speculation and conversation that seems to make people take a statement meant to clarify another users statement as an accusation. If ED just Informed us of the Basic Grievance. If they do not that is fine but getting mad over conversation and speculation seems silly at this point considering that 4 modules for DCS is near or above $200... also if they did not want that why was this thread left open to responses. Also I will note people are allowed to Denigrate Razbam by calling it Rascam in this forum. I would just say that if any of my previous statements in my conversations were deemed bad .. then would demeaning the other party not also be of the same level?

 

this is a general question and not aimed at anyone just looking for opinions.

 

 

Everyone here has the ability to report a post they feel breaks the rules, these forums are very busy and we can easily miss things, we have also let this thread run a little wild, as much as we are willing to as this is a special circumstance of course. In the grand scheme of places on the internet, I would say we are being pretty balanced on the anger towards RB and ourselves, you probably can't say that at other locations. 

The statement at the start of the thread that you call vanilla is as far as we can take this right now as it is a legal dispute and we have no desire to try and win this in the court of public opinion, we want a responsible and professional resolution to this to not only solve the ongoing issues but try to better prevent them from happening again. 

Thanks.

[Giggling Doom]

53 minutes ago, NineLine said:

Everyone here has the ability to report a post they feel breaks the rules, these forums are very busy and we can easily miss things, we have also let this thread run a little wild, as much as we are willing to as this is a special circumstance of course. In the grand scheme of places on the internet, I would say we are being pretty balanced on the anger towards RB and ourselves, you probably can't say that at other locations. 

The statement at the start of the thread that you call vanilla is as far as we can take this right now as it is a legal dispute and we have no desire to try and win this in the court of public opinion, we want a responsible and professional resolution to this to not only solve the ongoing issues but try to better prevent them from happening again. 

Thanks.

understood i was just pointing out that court of public opinion was opened with Razbams statement. And that if ED didn't want comments on it here the thread should have been closed is all. 

and as you say balanced I will Adamantly Disagree with you as leaving posts referring to your opponents of Rascam is not in fact balance as you will allow disparagement of the other party but even the whiff of the same towards ED is countered vehemently ... I just say if one side has a line, both should .. Also you haven't missed one thing you did not like in my experience so you must be aware of the other comments. 

 

Dear god I'm done for the evening i can no longer type spell or punctuate at this time.

I've been back another time since gah ... more errors noticed.

Edited April 15 by Giggling Doom

[NineLine]

1 minute ago, Giggling Doom said:

understood i was just pointing out that court of public opinion was opened with Razbams statement. And that if ED didn't want comments on it here the thread should have been closed is all. 

and as you say balanced i will Adamantly Disagree with you as leavening posts referring to your opponents of Rascam dose not in fact balance as you will allow disparagement of the other party but even the whiff of the same towards ED is countered vehemently ... I just say if one side has a line both should .. 

We cannot control what RB does, but if we didn't have this thread to vent a little, then we would just have people opening a new thread each time they wanted to say something about it. 

As I said, we are not leaving anything. All these posts eventually get moved to an archive thread and when this is all over one way or another, this entire collection will be removed. There is plenty of people saying everything is ED's fault in this thread and the linked archive. 

If there is something that is bothering you, you are welcome to report it, otherwise, this thread is not about discussion issues with moderation, you may DM me or BIGNEWY if you like.