felixx75 Posted July 9 Posted July 9 1 hour ago, Oban said: Nah, not at all, it's more like they know his Modus Operendi, Ron has done this on more than one occasion spanning several decades, track records speak volumes. Some of us have been flight simming a lot longer than some people posting here have been alive... Razbam are the epotome of "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" Nonsense. 1
Oban Posted July 9 Posted July 9 2 hours ago, felixx75 said: Nonsense. Yeah, I guess you though Razbam never did anything wrong when they abandoned their products for Microsoft Flight sim then? 4 AMD Ryzen 9 7845HX with Radeon Graphics 3.00 GHz 32 GB RAM 2 TB SSD RTX 4070 8GB Windows 11 64 bit
felixx75 Posted July 9 Posted July 9 17 minutes ago, Oban said: Yeah, I guess you though Razbam never did anything wrong when they abandoned their products for Microsoft Flight sim then? Still just bla bla... This thread (and all its predecessor threads) simply has no useful info for anyone. It only serves to throw some speculative theories into the room and throw accusations at each other. There are no hard facts, but people are still happily claiming this or that (he's to blame! No, he's to blame!...) instead of just waiting and seeing... 3 2
scommander2 Posted July 9 Posted July 9 (edited) Yes, this thread can't influence any decision from neither ED nor RB. Without this thread, we will have a ton of different threads for a same matter. Edited July 9 by scommander2 2 Spoiler Dell XPS 9730, i9-13900H, DDR5 64GB, Discrete GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080, 1+2TB M.2 SSD | Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + TPR | TKIR5/TrackClipPro | Total Controls Multi-Function Button Box | Win 11 Pro
Oban Posted July 9 Posted July 9 1 hour ago, felixx75 said: Still just bla bla... This thread (and all its predecessor threads) simply has no useful info for anyone. It only serves to throw some speculative theories into the room and throw accusations at each other. There are no hard facts, but people are still happily claiming this or that (he's to blame! No, he's to blame!...) instead of just waiting and seeing... The facts are there regarding Razbam and Ron's "mothodology", you just chose to ignore them... they say lightening never strikes twice, but it's not the case when Razbam are involved, people who have been around for a few years will have noticed a pattern when it comes to Razbam.. People wouldn't bash on Ron if he wasn't so arrogant and hot headed, you don't have to personally know someone to know their charcteristics and mannerisms. 3 AMD Ryzen 9 7845HX with Radeon Graphics 3.00 GHz 32 GB RAM 2 TB SSD RTX 4070 8GB Windows 11 64 bit
draconus Posted July 9 Posted July 9 8 minutes ago, Oban said: The facts are there regarding Razbam and Ron's "mothodology", you just chose to ignore them... they say lightening never strikes twice, but it's not the case when Razbam are involved, people who have been around for a few years will have noticed a pattern when it comes to Razbam.. People wouldn't bash on Ron if he wasn't so arrogant and hot headed, you don't have to personally know someone to know their charcteristics and mannerisms. It still doesn't serve anyone's case to mention it many times over. 1 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
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Oban Posted July 9 Posted July 9 24 minutes ago, draconus said: It still doesn't serve anyone's case to mention it many times over. Oh to a degree I agree with you, and in this particular case, there's no good guys, both ED and RB both get an "F" You also know that the court of public opinion here has been in full swing, with so many lawyers here, it's been a hoot. 1 AMD Ryzen 9 7845HX with Radeon Graphics 3.00 GHz 32 GB RAM 2 TB SSD RTX 4070 8GB Windows 11 64 bit
Nightdare Posted July 9 Posted July 9 On 7/8/2025 at 12:15 PM, cfrag said: I don't get it. When did a poll ever solve or change something? Let's say I have a rabbit in my hand, and I let my audience vote if it was male of female. The poll shows 98% think it is a female rabbit. Does that change the facts? No, it only keeps the audience busy doing BS stuff like polls. We don't need polls. We need the people who are in responsible positions act - and act responsibly, maybe even in favour of their customers. For all it's negative sentiments and the mess it leaves behind, total war has some advantages when trying to reach a solution 1 Intel I5 13600k / AsRock Z790 Steel Legend / MSI 4080s 16G Gaming X Slim / Kingston Fury DDR5 5600 64Gb / Adata 960 Max / HP Reverb G2 v2 Rhino FFB / Virpil MT50 Mongoost T50 Throttle, T50cm Grip, VFX Grip, ACE Rudder / WinWing Orion2 Navy, UFC&HUD, PTO2, 2x MFD1, PFP7 / Logitech Flight Panel / VKB SEM V / 2x DIY Bodnar Button Panels
alejandr0 Posted July 9 Posted July 9 This has been going on for too long.. 1 F-15E | F-16C Viper | F/A-18C | Flaming Clifs Ka-50 Black Shark | Mi-24P Hind| Mi-8MTV2 Ryzen R5 3600 | Zotac RTX 3060 | HyperX 32 GB 3200 MHz | MSI B550-A pro | MSI MPG A750GF | 2x Samsung 980 pro 1TB NVMe
AndyJWest Posted July 9 Posted July 9 18 minutes ago, alejandr0 said: This has been going on for too long.. What would have been the optimum duration for it to have gone on for? 2
ED Team NineLine Posted July 9 ED Team Posted July 9 I've hidden a message, but this is just a reminder not to call anyone names or be rude, including people from our team or RAZBAM. Thanks 7 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
alejandr0 Posted July 9 Posted July 9 1 hour ago, AndyJWest said: What would have been the optimum duration for it to have gone on for? Just one year is enough. F-15E | F-16C Viper | F/A-18C | Flaming Clifs Ka-50 Black Shark | Mi-24P Hind| Mi-8MTV2 Ryzen R5 3600 | Zotac RTX 3060 | HyperX 32 GB 3200 MHz | MSI B550-A pro | MSI MPG A750GF | 2x Samsung 980 pro 1TB NVMe
Hammer1-1 Posted July 9 Posted July 9 (edited) 5 hours ago, felixx75 said: Still just bla bla... This thread (and all its predecessor threads) simply has no useful info for anyone. It only serves to throw some speculative theories into the room and throw accusations at each other. There are no hard facts, but people are still happily claiming this or that (he's to blame! No, he's to blame!...) instead of just waiting and seeing... he abandoned all his projects in MS FSX and P3D, left his customers hanging. He blamed microsoft for his products failings, so the fact that he's doing this again doesnt really...tell YOU anything? say whatever you want, but its not like those of us who've been around havent been paying attention to who's who in this business and can attest to this simple fact for you. theres a difference between being optimistic and being realistic, and realistically Zambrano ditched another group...and for what? dont let the simple thought of Razbam making a comeback to finish the job stop you from thinking he wont do this again. Edited July 9 by Hammer1-1 9 1 Intel 13900k @ 5.8ghz | 64gb GSkill Trident Z | MSI z790 Meg ACE | Zotac RTX4090 | Asus 1000w psu | Slaw RX Viper 2 pedals | VPForce Rhino/VKB MCE Ultimate + STECS Mk2 MAX / Virpil MongoosT50+ MongoosT50CM | Virpil TCS+/ AH64D grip/custom AH64D TEDAC | Samsung Odyssey G9 + Odyssey Ark | Next Level Racing Flight Seat Pro | WinWing F-18 MIPS | No more VR for this pilot. My wallpaper and skins On today's episode of "Did You Know", Cessna Skyhawk crashes into cemetery; over 800 found dead as workers keep digging.
TheFreshPrince Posted July 9 Posted July 9 At this point, it's probably better to expect nothing... Let's just hope the modules will keep working for a long time. 1
Timghetta Posted July 9 Posted July 9 1 hour ago, Hammer1-1 said: he abandoned all his projects in MS FSX and P3D, left his customers hanging. He blamed microsoft for his products failings, so the fact that he's doing this again doesnt really...tell YOU anything? say whatever you want, but its not like those of us who've been around havent been paying attention to who's who in this business and can attest to this simple fact for you. theres a difference between being optimistic and being realistic, and realistically Zambrano ditched another group...and for what? dont let the simple thought of Razbam making a comeback to finish the job stop you from thinking he wont do this again. I'm calling you out, you are making this up. 4 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] We take the Metal and bring it to Mesh
Hammer1-1 Posted July 9 Posted July 9 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Timghetta said: I'm calling you out, you are making this up. ok. prove me wrong; Ill wait. Edited July 9 by Hammer1-1 1 Intel 13900k @ 5.8ghz | 64gb GSkill Trident Z | MSI z790 Meg ACE | Zotac RTX4090 | Asus 1000w psu | Slaw RX Viper 2 pedals | VPForce Rhino/VKB MCE Ultimate + STECS Mk2 MAX / Virpil MongoosT50+ MongoosT50CM | Virpil TCS+/ AH64D grip/custom AH64D TEDAC | Samsung Odyssey G9 + Odyssey Ark | Next Level Racing Flight Seat Pro | WinWing F-18 MIPS | No more VR for this pilot. My wallpaper and skins On today's episode of "Did You Know", Cessna Skyhawk crashes into cemetery; over 800 found dead as workers keep digging.
Timghetta Posted July 9 Posted July 9 12 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said: ok. prove me wrong; Ill wait. What? You made this up and I am suppose to prove you wrong? Are you serious? LMAO Doesn't work that way, you made the accusations, the burden of proof falls on you. 12 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] We take the Metal and bring it to Mesh
Dragon1-1 Posted July 9 Posted July 9 You're either ignorant of Ron's previous history of flightsim projects or buying into his self-serving narrative. 1
Hammer1-1 Posted July 9 Posted July 9 (edited) 2 hours ago, Timghetta said: What? You made this up and I am suppose to prove you wrong? Are you serious? LMAO Doesn't work that way, you made the accusations, the burden of proof falls on you. No, it does work that way. You want to prove to me and everyone else here that Razbam DIDNT do what people claim he has done? You can google those simple facts and see for yourself. Ask Chuck Owl (of the Chuck's Guides fame) about how he feels about Razbam too; plenty of online forums where discussions like this were normalized like..SimHQ and other places. I could point out plenty of evidence too, but hey...we're not here to debate proving me right because its only made up, huh, according to your sources. Well, prove me wrong that he didnt abandon his FSX/P3D customers. Prove to me he didnt blame Microsoft when his planes didnt work; prove to me that he didnt do exactly all that here with his currently unsupported modules in DCS either. Otherwise put up or shut up. Plenty of places for you to search, you can start with google. Edited July 9 by Hammer1-1 2 Intel 13900k @ 5.8ghz | 64gb GSkill Trident Z | MSI z790 Meg ACE | Zotac RTX4090 | Asus 1000w psu | Slaw RX Viper 2 pedals | VPForce Rhino/VKB MCE Ultimate + STECS Mk2 MAX / Virpil MongoosT50+ MongoosT50CM | Virpil TCS+/ AH64D grip/custom AH64D TEDAC | Samsung Odyssey G9 + Odyssey Ark | Next Level Racing Flight Seat Pro | WinWing F-18 MIPS | No more VR for this pilot. My wallpaper and skins On today's episode of "Did You Know", Cessna Skyhawk crashes into cemetery; over 800 found dead as workers keep digging.
ED Team NineLine Posted July 10 ED Team Posted July 10 @Hammer1-1 & @Timghetta You guys can take this to DM and figure it out, please. Discussion of Microsoft FS and products related to it are not for discussion either, neither are drama from those products, we have plenty of drama we can talk about here already. Thanks. 5 1 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Kang Posted July 10 Posted July 10 9 hours ago, NineLine said: @Hammer1-1 & @Timghetta You guys can take this to DM and figure it out, please. Discussion of Microsoft FS and products related to it are not for discussion either, neither are drama from those products, we have plenty of drama we can talk about here already. Thanks. Yay, we are officially free to talk about the drama! 3
AndyJWest Posted July 10 Posted July 10 1 hour ago, Kang said: Yay, we are officially free to talk about the drama! Ok, let's talk about it as drama. There's clearly a Hollywood blockbuster in this (or maybe a Bollywood one - same plot, but with added song and dance routines, and lots of costume changes). Who are we going to cast in the leading roles? Ron Zambino in particular needs careful thought. Do we go for Bond-villain-style over-the-top acting? Sadly Donald Pleasance (You Only Live Twice) is no longer with us, but there must be someone capable of exuding the necessary aura of evil for this style of character. Or do we go for a more enigmatic, even sympathetic figure - one who leaves the audience guessing as to who is really the bad guy. Is Johnny Depp available? He did a good job being enigmatic (and very drunk) as Cap'n Jack, and maybe he could do the same (less the booze) for Zambino. NineLIne, needless to say, will be played by Danny Devito. 2
cfrag Posted July 10 Posted July 10 4 minutes ago, AndyJWest said: Who are we going to cast in the leading roles? Since all good stories depend on a great villain (even if the real-world persona is more of a wet towel), that role would go to Alan Rickman - the "it's amazing I'm sane" Prince John from Prince of Thieves or "We do it the hard way" Hans Gruber from Die Hard -- kind of irresistibly sinister-yet-fascinating antagonist. Since Alan is no longer with us, I'd also be happy with Gary Oldman's take. And since there are no heroes in this move - who cares about the rest? 2
Kang Posted July 10 Posted July 10 Donald Pleasance would have been a marvelous choice, not just for his Bond villain pedigree, but specifically for his willingness to participate in absolutely garbage movies with complete disregard for his reputation. But then, cfrag does have a point with a more ambiguous and nuanced Alan Rickman... Furthermore I do vote Bollywood. Or at least containing a somewhat random musical number, like the old Lord of the Rings movies. Actually, strike that, lets go ancient greek drama here, we all can be part of the chorus that drives the plot onwards. 1
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