waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[AdrianL]

9 minutes ago, addman said:

You don't seem to be aware of the already broken M2k

What's broken? The G issue was fixed in the last hotfix. Just was not in the patch notes

[Maberickxx88]

@BIGNEWY is it possible to provide the latest Version of DCS where all 4 Razbam Modules work like intended. So at least the worries about a Module getting buggy with the next Update are gone. People can enjoy thier planes in Singleplayer till the Earth gets swallowed by the sun if they want.

The possibility to downgrade your DCS would be nice anyway, because of the ever raising requirements. My GPU Timeline the Past 6 Years was from a GTX 970 to GTX 1080 to RTX 3080 and now 4090. Don´t wanna upgrade next Year. 

[BIGNEWY]

1 minute ago, Maberickxx88 said:

@BIGNEWY is it possible to provide the latest Version of DCS where all 4 Razbam Modules work like intended.

latest version you can enjoy the RAZBAM modules DCS 2.9.5.55918

 

[draconus]

11 minutes ago, Maberickxx88 said:

is it possible to provide the latest Version of DCS where all 4 Razbam Modules work like intended

You mean like all features complete and no bugs at all? This is impossible. But you can choose one version you're happy with and install by using this guide and version list:

Edited June 11, 2024 by draconus

[Maberickxx88]

vor 40 Minuten schrieb BIGNEWY:

latest version you can enjoy the RAZBAM modules DCS 2.9.5.55918

 

I know, but like everyone said, a Module can break with every update.

 

vor 31 Minuten schrieb draconus:

You mean like all features complete and no bugs at all? This is impossible. But you can choose one version you're happy with and install by using this guide and version list:

 

AFAIK you can only downgrade to the previous Version or so. Not much further. No possibility to go back to 2.5 for example.

Im fine with 2.9 anyway. Works like charm on a RTX 4090.

Edited June 11, 2024 by Maberickxx88

[Nightdare]

1 hour ago, addman said:

Yeah, love people defending a company when they have no idea what's going on inside, what do you know that I don't? You don't seem to be aware of the already broken M2k, please read before replying. Plenty of "useful little helpers" to go around I see.

I do not know which of the parties is in the wrong, I do know 1 of them spouted their grievance in public, which led to a public discussion that hasn't helped 1 iota, with people ignoring/dismissing business rules just because they are scared of losing their toys

 

Now, I can understand that last worry, but to simply fill in your* (as in *people generally) own solutions is

not

how

it

works

[mark2]

Razbam the cost of a model in DCS is very high and that's why you have to work harder than any other "flight simulator". DCS has been growing and improving a lot as a company in recent years,Razbam has very nice products but they are very slow in updating them and because of the F15E maybe they were pushed by DCS to move faster.

Edited June 11, 2024 by mark2

[maxTRX]

1 hour ago, mark2 said:

Razbam the cost of a model in DCS is very high and that's why you have to work harder than any other "flight simulator". DCS has been growing and improving a lot as a company in recent years,Razbam has very nice products but they are very slow in updating them and because of the F15E maybe they were pushed by DCS to move faster.

 

I can see the difficulty catching up to ED's pace...   I wonder if the pro side of the house works at the same pace.  Are these the same coders?

[Galinette]

6 hours ago, falcon_120 said:

Ok so the post by Galinette, if true is very enlighting and shows how there is no one on the right, as always there's some truths in both sides and both sides have been involved in some wrong doing from my PoV. If i got this right:

-Razbam have been or have tried to use at some pointT DCS core engine and SDK to develop/sell professional versions of their planes to some defense forces.
 

Galinette doesn't use the word "SDK" and mentions mods, so again, you are butt-translating with intent to increase drama. Maybe Razbam did only make a 3D model or a couple of lua scripts... Which anyone can do at home.

[Nightdare]

30 minutes ago, Kercheiz said:

Galinette doesn't use the word "SDK" and mentions mods, so again, you are butt-translating with intent to increase drama. Maybe Razbam did only make a 3D model or a couple of lua scripts... Which anyone can do at home.

 

Yes, but depends on the license if you can sell that model

[PhantomHans]

If, *IF*, Razbam tried to do something that is a contract violation, AND if ED can prove it, then I expect this may have been met by polite suggestions to knock it off, cease and decist letters, and eventually lawsuits.

 

If that's the case then hash it out and quit screwing over the consumers, please.  Razbam says they're not getting paid.  If that's accurate, then paying them should bring them immediately back to work and would not necessarily be an admission of guilt from ED or acceptance of any wrongdoing.  It would be a good faith gesture towards Razbam, and the community, and demonstrate a willingness to get DCS in general back on track. 

[falcon_120]

Galinette doesn't use the word "SDK" and mentions mods, so again, you are butt-translating with intent to increase drama. Maybe Razbam did only make a 3D model or a couple of lua scripts... Which anyone can do at home.

Not trying to increase any drama at all, already said i could be wrong or there could be info missing. But to your point, a 3d or Lua script does not seems plausible, as that would hardly elevate any complaint from any company. It seems more plausible RB have used some part of DCS engine to have their professional version of their planes working as trainers for some air force. Again, speculation but logical one given the response by ED.

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[Rainmaker]

19 minutes ago, PhantomHans said:

If, *IF*, Razbam tried to do something that is a contract violation, AND if ED can prove it, then I expect this may have been met by polite suggestions to knock it off, cease and decist letters, and eventually lawsuits.

 

If that's the case then hash it out and quit screwing over the consumers, please.  Razbam says they're not getting paid.  If that's accurate, then paying them should bring them immediately back to work and would not necessarily be an admission of guilt from ED or acceptance of any wrongdoing.  It would be a good faith gesture towards Razbam, and the community, and demonstrate a willingness to get DCS in general back on track. 

Can’t. Too busy holding personal grudges….

[Mizzy]

23 minutes ago, PhantomHans said:

If, *IF*, Razbam tried to do something that is a contract violation, AND if ED can prove it, then I expect this may have been met by polite suggestions to knock it off, cease and decist letters, and eventually lawsuits.

 

If that's the case then hash it out and quit screwing over the consumers, please.  Razbam says they're not getting paid.  If that's accurate, then paying them should bring them immediately back to work and would not necessarily be an admission of guilt from ED or acceptance of any wrongdoing.  It would be a good faith gesture towards Razbam, and the community, and demonstrate a willingness to get DCS in general back on track. 

Unfortunately this shows people's ignorance of the dispute simply because we do not have any reliable information to judge or opinionate. That's why I am angry at Razbam putting this dispute in the public domain and telling people it's because they are not getting paid but without any context as to why. This is obviously (to me) a dummy spitting exercise on the part of Razbam being utterly stupid and trying to bring other developers into the dispute unfairly and very unwisely.

So, why should ED do anything in good faith when that faith has been violated by Razbam. 

On a different note, I didn't know ED let Razbam (or this mash to mesh guy) have their model for development, seem s to me a very good will gesture on the part of ED.

Mizzy 

[Captain Chuck]

I read a bunch of pages here. 

In a former life I was Cowboy... a real one. What I learned was.......... "You gotta ride for the brand."

 

That means 'be loyal'.

 

And I been riding for the ED brand for quite a number of years.

 

ED is not trying to rip anyone off!

 

Some of you all need to stop freaking out.

 

Regards,

Bronco

[SloppyDog]

On 6/6/2024 at 9:08 AM, Raviar said:

"Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom." - Thomas Jefferson

As much as I dislike gossip and speculation, I equally detest total silence and irresponsibility. There is a post on Reddit discussing the Strike Eagle refund, Enigma creating a video, and an announcement by Razbam in the Discord. Is it not the right time to inform users and customers about any updates on this module? What is the future of this module?

 

I don't know the future, I hope for the best, but things are pretty uncertain at this time.

A workaround in the present is to have two installations of DCS World on your system, one with the Razbam modules, and other with all other modules. The Razbam one you don't update, leave it at the way it is. This way you could keep the modules without the risk of them not being broken with time. Of course, no multiplayer will be available or compatible, but at least you can maintain your modules. I did that because I love the Strike Eagle that much, and plan on continuing flying it till the day it dies.

Of course, nothing is guaranteed, since you "must" be online even to play single player, I really don't know if the dispute will lead to the modules permanently blocked or deleted from our accounts for any reason. But, at least, this way I can try to extend its playable life.

Also, I made a backup of the Razbam modules files, because, you know, maybe someone in the distant future decides to "BMS" these modules out, we just don't know at this time.
 

 

[Neil Gardner]

I think what I am going to say has probably already been more or less said, but just wanted to add my support to those who counsel calm. I am 60 and so have been around the block a few times. In business there are disputes all the time, this dispute between Razbam and ED is one of many that flare up all the time in business. We have noticed this one and its importance and significance  has become much exaggerated because someone thought it could be made public.
 

There are two rather contradictory things to be said. The first is that Razbam have ‘previous’, which is to say that when, maybe 12-13 years ago they were making models for FSX, and then they seemed to get together with M2M who in turn produced some really good stuff including a good model (for the day), of an F15E and a Mirage 2000. Not too long after they came out - RZM had made a Corsair, and an A7 and a Harrier amongst others, - they pulled out of FSX rather abruptly, or at least that was how it seemed. As it transpired they had made the decision to make the move to models for DCS.
 

I suppose that could amount to a bit of a worry. On the other hand I repeat that these disputes take place all the time in business and I might add that it must be in everyone’s interest if the matter us resolved promptly. Think of all the money, all the hours of research, photos, coding, more research etc, that will cease to make an adequate return if Razbam leave the ship. Lease don’t go demanding refunds unless you really need the money, at least not yet. There may come a time of total separation but to be honest I think the odds are on a resolution because that is what will make money for everyone.

Try and stay calm guys.

Neil.

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[falcon_120]

Yeah, i agree that calm is always the best approach.

I guess people, fail to do mainly because the F15e is many people’s favorite plane; or a top 3 at least, its have been waited for so so long, and its been done so well, that the sole thought of it dieing so young and prematurely is a harsh one :/ And i have to say i cannot really blame at anyone feeling so passionate about it.


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[Ornithopter]

1 hour ago, Captain Chuck said:

 

In a former life I was Cowboy... a real one. What I learned was.......... "You gotta ride for the brand."

I must have watched too much Yellowstone, because the first thing I thought of was having "E.D" burned onto my chest with a hot iron! 

[WipeUout]

3 hours ago, Kercheiz said:

Galinette doesn't use the word "SDK" and mentions mods, so again, you are butt-translating with intent to increase drama. Maybe Razbam did only make a 3D model or a couple of lua scripts... Which anyone can do at home.

Not quite right...

 

nullAccording to Galinette, RB did use the DCS SDK to develop stuff for the professional market. Just saying.

 

[Fuchs]

3 hours ago, Kercheiz said:

Galinette doesn't use the word "SDK" and mentions mods, so again, you are butt-translating with intent to increase drama. Maybe Razbam did only make a 3D model or a couple of lua scripts... Which anyone can do at home.

With all due respect sir, yes he's using it, you have butt-read the whole message

 

[Galinette]

26 minutes ago, WipeUout said:

Not quite right...

 

nullAccording to Galinette, RB did use the DCS SDK to develop stuff for the professional market. Just saying.

 

Galinette answers to someone asking if there is any proof against RB.
He answers "the (only) proof is ED explanation that RB used the DCS SDK for a pro market"

So no. It's not "According to Galinette RB used the DCS SDK". It's "According to Galinette ED claims RB used the DCS SDK". Oh my god, what a scoop

Again, you do over-interpretation and butt-translation, to push the drama.

Edited June 11, 2024 by Kercheiz

[Hammer1-1]

2 hours ago, Captain Chuck said:

I read a bunch of pages here. 

In a former life I was Cowboy... a real one. What I learned was.......... "You gotta ride for the brand."

 

That means 'be loyal'.

 

And I been riding for the ED brand for quite a number of years.

 

ED is not trying to rip anyone off!

 

Some of you all need to stop freaking out.

 

Regards,

Bronco

Some people dont want to believe it. Some people are just foolish and they cant be swayed by good answers, they just want their toys provided by their favorite developer (who are currently holding their customers hostage) to work. Common sense and sanity left the chat weeks ago.

Edited June 11, 2024 by Hammer1-1

[Neil Gardner]

Yeah, I can understand that. I was so excited when I knew tge F15E was coming, I am just up the road from RAF Lakenheath which is an American air base equipped with - yes, you guessed it, F15E’s. I find it ti be a beautiful aircraft, alongside., for me anyway, the F16, and I can understand tge weight of disappointment. My guess, however, is that this will have to be resolved quickly as it is costing both sides allot of money. 

1 hour ago, falcon_120 said:

Yeah, i agree that calm is always the best approach.

I guess people, fail to do mainly because the F15e is many people’s favorite plane; or a top 3 at least, its have been waited for so so long, and its been done so well, that the sole thought of it dieing so young and prematurely is a harsh one And i have to say i cannot really blame at anyone feeling so passionate about it.


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