Shibbyland Posted February 11 Posted February 11 Unable to access F-15e store page on steam at the moment but other products appear unaffected. Any body else notice this? Does this have anything to do with this issue?
Beirut Posted February 11 Posted February 11 11 minutes ago, Shibbyland said: Unable to access F-15e store page on steam at the moment but other products appear unaffected. Any body else notice this? Does this have anything to do with this issue? Still there on Steam. 1 Some of the planes, but all of the maps!
LordOrion Posted February 12 Posted February 12 42 minutes ago, Beirut said: Still there on Steam. Same for me 1 RDF 3rd Fighter Squadron - "Black Knights": "Ar Cavajere Nero nun je devi cacà er cazzo!" "I love this game: I am not going to let Zambrano steal the show." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CPU: i7-11700K@5GHz|GPU: RTX-4070 Super|RAM: 64GB DDR4@3200MHz|SSD: 970EVO Plus + 2x 980 PRO|HOTAS Warthog|TrackIR 5|
Mad Dog 762 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 On 2/4/2025 at 12:30 PM, PLUTON said: Personally I think that the dispute between ED and RZ should not concern us unless we lose the modules. Yes, it does and should, for two reasons....first, many many of us bought the F-15E, which is nowhere near complete. It needs several more years of work, and that work is not happening, even if this dispute is eventually resolved it has put the Strike Eagle at least a year behind where it should be in development. And eventually, the inability of ED to update the RazBam modules is eventually going to lead to them being "frozen" at a given update, like what happened to us in the past....so yeah, they will work, as long as you stop updating your DCS core. Neither of these situations is acceptable. And sadly, while ED will look out for their interests in court, and RazBam will look out for theirs, NO ONE is looking out for ours, the customers. 5 System: Intel Core i9-9900KF @ 5 Ghz, Z-390 Gaming X, 64Gb DDR4-3200, EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3, Dedicated SSD, Varjo Aero, Winwing Orion & F-16EX DCS Modules: A-10C II, A/V-8B NA, Bf-109 K4, P-51D, P-47D, F/A-18C, F-14 A/B, F-16 CM, F-86F, JF-17, KA-50 Black Shark 3, UH-1H, Mosquito, AH-64D Longbow, F-4E Terrains & Tech: Afghanistan, Caucasus, Persian Gulf, Normandy, Syria, Nevada, The Channel, Combined Arms, WWII Assets, Supercarrier
rcjonessnp175 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 4 I7 4770k @ 4.6, sli 980 evga oc edition, ssdx2, Sony 55 inch edid hack nvidia 3dvision. Volair sim pit, DK2 Oculus Rift.
kotor633 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 At first glance, it doesn't sound too bad. I hope that things will continue to move forward with the Av8B... The crucial question is WHEN this nonsense will finally be over and things will move on... 1 ************************************** DCS World needs the Panavia Tornado! Really! **************************************
lee1hy Posted February 12 Posted February 12 LOL pls lock this uessless thread 3 kim_123456#3214 My awesome liveries user files https://shorturl.at/cdKV5
LordOrion Posted February 12 Posted February 12 (edited) On 2/4/2025 at 8:30 PM, PLUTON said: Personally I think that the dispute between ED and RZ should not concern us unless we lose the modules. Well, if RZ had continued to work normally on his modules while trying to find an agreement with ED you would be right. Instead it's almost a year since we received updates and fixes, so this definitely concerns us. 4 hours ago, rcjonessnp175 said: A glimpse of hope perhaps? A dim light far away in the darkness of this tunnel of sadness? Or maybe just an attempt to push customers to put pressure on ED? We'll see... Edited February 12 by LordOrion 1 RDF 3rd Fighter Squadron - "Black Knights": "Ar Cavajere Nero nun je devi cacà er cazzo!" "I love this game: I am not going to let Zambrano steal the show." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CPU: i7-11700K@5GHz|GPU: RTX-4070 Super|RAM: 64GB DDR4@3200MHz|SSD: 970EVO Plus + 2x 980 PRO|HOTAS Warthog|TrackIR 5|
Nightdare Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 5 hours ago, rcjonessnp175 said: I'm not quite sure what to think of this Now, I'm sure there are people that wouldn't mind a refresh of the Mirage ...but that's not the most pressing problem at hand To quote Mad Dog 762: 5 hours ago, Mad Dog 762 said: The F-15E, which is nowhere near complete. It needs several more years of work, and that work is not happening, even if this dispute is eventually resolved it has put the Strike Eagle at least a year behind where it should be in development And some of the current RB modules still have bugs that could use fixing If they have 6-12 months of spare time, I'd suggest those things instead of presenting a shiny new puppy to get people behind you Edited February 13 by Nightdare 3 Intel I5 13600k / AsRock Z790 Steel Legend / MSI 4080s 16G Gaming X Slim / Kingston Fury DDR5 5600 64Gb / Adata 960 Max / HP Reverb G2 v2 Virpil MT50 Mongoost T50 Throttle, T50cm Base & Grip, VFX Grip, ACE Interceptor Rudder Pedals w. damper / WinWing Orion2 18, 18 UFC & HUD, PTO2, 2x MFD1 / Logitech Flight Panel / VKB SEM V / 2x DIY Button Box
Beirut Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 hours ago, lee1hy said: LOL pls lock this uessless thread You mean the "useless thread" you have been reading and participating in? If you can read it and participate in it, others should be allowed to do the same. 14 Some of the planes, but all of the maps!
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted February 13 Posted February 13 8 hours ago, rcjonessnp175 said: That'd be more compelling if they had a better track record of delivering goodies. Like the MiG-19S. 5 Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
Mizzy Posted February 13 Posted February 13 15 hours ago, LordOrion said: Well, if RZ had continued to work normally on his modules while trying to find an agreement with ED you would be right. Instead it's almost a year since we received updates and fixes, so this definitely concerns us. A glimpse of hope perhaps? A dim light far away in the darkness of this tunnel of sadness? Or maybe just an attempt to push customers to put pressure on ED? We'll see... Back to the false flag issue that RB have been successfully peddling with his die hard minority followers, that being one of 'not being paid'. Sounds like a threat that if ED doesn't play ball (the false flag issue of payment), he's (M2M) going to take his bat and ball home. Sorry, but I find his post pathetic. Mizzy 2
Wizard_03 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) How about they hand over source codes and leave DCS to people who are committed to giving users what they paid for instead of bring us into YOUR contract disputes with YOUR employer. We are DCS. The users are DCS, not razbam and not even ED. Edited February 13 by Wizard_03 5 DCS F/A-18C :sorcerer:
Father Cool Posted February 13 Posted February 13 5 hours ago, Mizzy said: Back to the false flag issue that RB have been successfully peddling with his die hard minority followers, that being one of 'not being paid'. Sounds like a threat that if ED doesn't play ball (the false flag issue of payment), he's (M2M) going to take his bat and ball home. Sorry, but I find his post pathetic. Mizzy I'm not a fan boy of anyone and I don't know what truth there is in the 'he said she said' of whether RB have been paid or not (I suspect not or this whole thing wouldn't be an issue in the first place), but as a business owner if I had supplied a product and wasn't paid for it then I certainly wouldn't be continuing the maintenance of the that product while the courts decide on whether I deserve my money or not. You can't expect RB (or anyone working for them such as M2M) to either. Hardly taking your bat and ball home is it.
draconus Posted February 13 Posted February 13 8 minutes ago, Father Cool said: I'm not a fan boy of anyone... 9 minutes ago, Father Cool said: ...but as a business owner if I had supplied a product and wasn't paid for it then I certainly wouldn't be continuing the maintenance of the that product while the courts decide on whether I deserve my money or not. Yet you forgot to notice that if the contractor steals your IP you wouldn't pay him either, or would you? 4 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Father Cool Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 minute ago, draconus said: Yet you forgot to notice that if the contractor steals your IP you wouldn't pay him either, or would you? No I don't forget that at all, however, that still doesn't then mean that the contractor then has to work on for free from then on out. The comment stated that it was RB taking their ball home by not continuing development and updates to their modules which despite the IP issue cannot be expected to carry on without payment regardless.
Mizzy Posted February 13 Posted February 13 11 minutes ago, Father Cool said: No I don't forget that at all, however, that still doesn't then mean that the contractor then has to work on for free from then on out. The comment stated that it was RB taking their ball home by not continuing development and updates to their modules which despite the IP issue cannot be expected to carry on without payment regardless. I didn't say that at all, read my post again, it clearly states the non payment dispute is a false flag from what we know so far. The real dispute is about IP and non payment is a result of IP infringement. We have gone over this so many times, that's why I said RB have been successful in detracting from IP infringement to one of non payment. You have totally misunderstood my post and not to be rude, but misunderstand the dispute. I was referring to M2M, not RB btw. Zambrano has used this tactic time and time again with 'this is what we could have brought to DCS if it wasn't for non payment' clap trap nonsense. Zambrano has promised a lot of things that don't materialise and it has all been said in previous posts. Let us not forget M2Ms disgraceful dialog in this dispute against ED, he's assuming ED would even allow them back and that's a big assumption, anyway, he's talking hot air nonsense in my opinion. I have just been let off being moderated, so I'm not saying any more than above. Mizzy 4
Father Cool Posted February 13 Posted February 13 26 minutes ago, Mizzy said: I didn't say that at all, read my post again, it clearly states the non payment dispute is a false flag from what we know so far. The real dispute is about IP and non payment is a result of IP infringement. We have gone over this so many times, that's why I said RB have been successful in detracting from IP infringement to one of non payment. You have totally misunderstood my post and not to be rude, but misunderstand the dispute. I was referring to M2M, not RB btw. Zambrano has used this tactic time and time again with 'this is what we could have brought to DCS if it wasn't for non payment' clap trap nonsense. Zambrano has promised a lot of things that don't materialise and it has all been said in previous posts. Let us not forget M2Ms disgraceful dialog in this dispute against ED, he's assuming ED would even allow them back and that's a big assumption, anyway, he's talking hot air nonsense in my opinion. I have just been let off being moderated, so I'm not saying any more than above. Mizzy With respect I don't misunderstand the dispute. It sucks for us from both perspectives. I just interpreted your comments as to imply that RB and more specifically M2M should crack on and carry on working despite it with your 'threat tactics' and 'take his bat and ball home' comment that's all and that that isn't a fair expectation from people who aren't being paid, regardless of the background situation. Sorry for any confusion there.
Dr_Pavelheer Posted February 13 Posted February 13 @Mizzy Please stop spreading misinformation, ED SA and Mission Systems SA (formerly ED Mission Systems) are completely unrelated companies, alleged IP dispute between RB and MS is therefore completely irrelevant to this discussion
Nightdare Posted February 13 Posted February 13 30 minutes ago, Dr_Pavelheer said: @Mizzy Please stop spreading misinformation, ED SA and Mission Systems SA (formerly ED Mission Systems) are completely unrelated companies, alleged IP dispute between RB and MS is therefore completely irrelevant to this discussion Before you call something "misinformation" please be aware that IP/license constructions can be a bit more complicated than you present them Different companies can share IP between each other Especially(/easier) when owned by the same entity This, for example, is how Charvel was (finally) able to use the Fender Stratocaster headstock again If I own 2 companies and have 1 subcontractor supplying to both, and this subcontractor steps out of line with one of my companies,... guess what I'll do 5 Intel I5 13600k / AsRock Z790 Steel Legend / MSI 4080s 16G Gaming X Slim / Kingston Fury DDR5 5600 64Gb / Adata 960 Max / HP Reverb G2 v2 Virpil MT50 Mongoost T50 Throttle, T50cm Base & Grip, VFX Grip, ACE Interceptor Rudder Pedals w. damper / WinWing Orion2 18, 18 UFC & HUD, PTO2, 2x MFD1 / Logitech Flight Panel / VKB SEM V / 2x DIY Button Box
Mizzy Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 hour ago, Dr_Pavelheer said: @Mizzy Please stop spreading misinformation, ED SA and Mission Systems SA (formerly ED Mission Systems) are completely unrelated companies, alleged IP dispute between RB and MS is therefore completely irrelevant to this discussion Read the first post please. The misinformation has come from Zambrano about the 'real' issue of this dispute. You are spreading misinformation !! Mizzy 2 hours ago, Father Cool said: With respect I don't misunderstand the dispute. It sucks for us from both perspectives. I just interpreted your comments as to imply that RB and more specifically M2M should crack on and carry on working despite it with your 'threat tactics' and 'take his bat and ball home' comment that's all and that that isn't a fair expectation from people who aren't being paid, regardless of the background situation. Sorry for any confusion there. Misunderstanding tends to be in the eye of the beholder, can we leave it at that ! Mizzy 1
Father Cool Posted February 14 Posted February 14 7 minutes ago, Mizzy said: Read the first post please. The misinformation has come from Zambrano about the 'real' issue of this dispute. You are spreading misinformation !! Mizzy Misunderstanding tends to be in the eye of the beholder, can we leave it at that ! Mizzy Oh wind your neck in. I assumed a misunderstanding but I obviously didn't.
ED Team NineLine Posted February 14 Author ED Team Posted February 14 Everyone needs to turn it down a couple of notches, please. 2 1 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
freehand Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) I agree, need to turn it down from number 11. Lemmy in motorhead used to run at 12 but that's another story Edited February 14 by freehand 2
felixx75 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 And the thread continues to spin around itself. I would have thought that it must be boring to write the same assumptions and accusations over and over again without any official statements. But apparently not... But at least it makes you (me) laugh to see how people here keep attacking each other for nothing. 3
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