F-35A Announcement discussion mega thread.

[Headwarp]

6 hours ago, NineLine said:

A FF Su-27 is possible, but the team that would do that most likely would be the one nose deep in a MiG-29 right now. 

Just chiming into say stop making me drool and get these modules out already.       Kidding.  Make it worth the wait  

Edited January 17 by Headwarp

[Devil 505]

2 hours ago, NineLine said:

But we don't share everything we have, everything we are doing and everything we know or have contacts for.

NineLine, this would leave the community to believe you have inside knowledge of the F-35, resources not available to the public, or know people in the F-35 community that are feeding you information.  That leads to one of 2 possible solutions, A: Everything you have is something we could acquire as a community because its open source and either in a book or online, or B: someone within a military branch be it US for FMS is feeding you information about the aircraft which I can absolutely verify would be illegal.  

The bottom line, you just argued with a REAL F-35 maintainer and told him you have resources he could not even obtain in the US Military working on this aircraft.  Why is it so hard to acknowledge this aircraft cannot possibly be done to the level of the F-16, F-18, A-10C II and all the other aircraft ED has produced.  THAT IS THE POINT.  You are taking on a project that does not coincide with Eagles Dynamics core principles of creating authentic and realistic aircraft.  You literally are taking away your own identity and trading it for a module that may come 15% close to the real thing if even that.  Look at the backlash you guys are taking after revealing this today.  I can promise you this is not a small 10% of total customers.  

I would typically be on your side with 9 out 10 things, but this module is not helping DCS.  It is telling the community that everything you have told us from the start about authenticity, hard work to obtain data, realistic scans of the aircraft, speaking with real fighter's pilots about the performance of these aircraft, and recreating them to the fullest of their real counterpart is not your objective anymore.  Its pushing out a product that look flashy but does not hold up to the core values of this company and what we love about DCS world.  Leave the F-35 to MSFS and bring us something realistic to DCS.  This is a bad move, you cannot possibly create this module to the level of detail you proclaim to you can and it will only burn ED's image, not help it.

You have attracted so many former and current military men and women to your product, including this guy.  You are going to have a very hard battle straight up hill convincing any of us that this will be an authentic representation of the F-35.  I have said it a lot today, this is a bad move for Eagle Dynamics. 

[EA-18G_BlockII]

@NineLine sorry, i know you're tired after today but can you enlighten me one more thing? you said things like Su-57 or top tier Flanker would be near impossible but how about an AI asset pack? doesnt have to be flyable, just something so the red side can fight back

[NineLine]

1 minute ago, Devil 505 said:

NineLine, this would leave the community to believe you have inside knowledge of the F-35, resources not available to the public, or know people in the F-35 community that are feeding you information.  That leads to one of 2 possible solutions, A: Everything you have is something we could acquire as a community because its open source and either in a book or online, or B: someone within a military branch be it US for FMS is feeding you information about the aircraft which I can absolutely verify would be illegal.  

The bottom line, you just argued with a REAL F-35 maintainer and told him you have resources he could not even obtain in the US Military working on this aircraft.  Why is it so hard to acknowledge this aircraft cannot possibly be done to the level of the F-16, F-18, A-10C II and all the other aircraft ED has produced.  THAT IS THE POINT.  You are taking on a project that does not coincide with Eagles Dynamics core principles of creating authentic and realistic aircraft.  You literally are taking away your own identity and trading it for a module that may come 15% close to the real thing if even that.  Look at the backlash you guys are taking after revealing this today.  I can promise you this is not a small 10% of total customers.  

I would typically be on your side with 9 out 10 things, but this module is not helping DCS.  It is telling the community that everything you have told us from the start about authenticity, hard work to obtain data, realistic scans of the aircraft, speaking with real fighter's pilots about the performance of these aircraft, and recreating them to the fullest of their real counterpart is not your objective anymore.  Its pushing out a product that look flashy but does not hold up to the core values of this company and what we love about DCS world.  Leave the F-35 to MSFS and bring us something realistic to DCS.  This is a bad move, you cannot possibly create this module to the level of detail you proclaim to you can and it will only burn ED's image, not help it.

You have attracted so many former and current military men and women to your product, including this guy.  You are going to have a very hard battle straight up hill convincing any of us that this will be an authentic representation of the F-35.  I have said it a lot today, this is a bad move for Eagle Dynamics. 

Thanks for your feedback, it does mean something to us, but we stand by our ability to make a very good representation of the fighter for DCS. We would not have announced it otherwise. 

1 minute ago, EA-18G_BlockII said:

@NineLine sorry, i know you're tired after today but can you enlighten me one more thing? you said things like Su-57 or top tier Flanker would be near impossible but how about an AI asset pack? doesnt have to be flyable, just something so the red side can fight back

I think AI would be important for interesting missions and campaigns with the F-35, I think its reasonable. 

[EA-18G_BlockII]

2 minutes ago, NineLine said:

Thanks for your feedback, it does mean something to us, but we stand by our ability to make a very good representation of the fighter for DCS. We would not have announced it otherwise. 

I think AI would be important for interesting missions and campaigns with the F-35, I think its reasonable. 

eh i think you misread my question, like how about an AI asset pack with modern Redfor planes such as MiG-31BSM, Su-35S, Su-30SM, Su-57, J-20, J-35.... ?

[NineLine]

2 minutes ago, EA-18G_BlockII said:

eh i think you misread my question, like how about an AI asset pack with modern Redfor planes such as MiG-31BSM, Su-35S, Su-30SM, Su-57, J-20, J-35.... ?

No, I mean sure, a pack or just added to the sim, whatever works.

[dcn]

9小时前，TheSkipjack95说：

We moaned about the paper plane J8, but this......

Now it seems that the J-8PP has already foreshadowed this day.

[metzger]

People don't complain here as some put it. Just expressing their disappointment in the direction DCS steer. After all the debates to finish what is unfinished, make it more stable, improve the core mechanics and missing essential functionality...
Instead, they went after people who are not satisfied with the big variety of modules already but keep screaming for more. Fine, enjoy the half-baked unfinished cockpits and empty dead maps.




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[YoYo]

I think that 2026 is a very optimistic date for F-35A, there is still the F-15C as WIP (early?) plus the unreleased MiG-29A (probably May-June 2025), so 2026 is quite an optimistic date although I obviously keep my fingers crossed.

[OldFlyer]

2 hours ago, NineLine said:

A Super Hornet will most likely happen, but we need to finish the C first before moving to another. Sorry for the short answer to your long question, I am tired

[Silver_Dragon]

I think that 2026 is a very optimistic date for F-35A, there is still the F-15C as WIP (early?) plus the unreleased MiG-29A (probably May-June 2025), so 2026 is quite an optimistic date although I obviously keep my fingers crossed.

F-35 Will coming on 2027-28, F-15C to 2026. And Mig-29A planned to Q2 2025. And surely, other "FC" Will coming on 2027

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[Ahogephilia]

 

I frustrated how DCS World fails to focus on a specific era, instead scattering module ERAs haphazardly. REDFOR doesn’t even have a study-level SU-30, Bluefor get to have the F-35 and the Eurofighter?    

At the very least, I wish they would release more aircraft at non-clickable PFM level to increase density of each ERA

Edited January 17 by Ahogephilia

[AnarchyZG]

It will sell like hotcakes. I will buy it.
Single player (especially dynamic campaign) and PvE is definitely feasible. PvP is stretching it.

Whiners will be whining, so what.

[Tank50us]

46 minutes ago, Ahogephilia said:

I frustrated how DCS World fails to focus on a specific era, instead scattering module ERAs haphazardly. REDFOR doesn’t even have a study-level SU-30, Bluefor get to have the F-35 and the Eurofighter?  

To be fair, this isn't in itself a bad thing. It basically means that players can make DCS the way they want it. If you don't want to do anything with jets, you can just focus on the WW2 planes and maps. I personally like that aspect of DCS.

[Qiou87]

1 hour ago, Ahogephilia said:

 

I frustrated how DCS World fails to focus on a specific era, instead scattering module ERAs haphazardly. REDFOR doesn’t even have a study-level SU-30, Bluefor get to have the F-35 and the Eurofighter?    

At the very least, I wish they would release more aircraft at non-clickable PFM level to increase density of each ERA

Fly helos! Helos are great, and you get some nice REDFOR stuff. The Mi-24P is awesome once you master it, the Ka-50 III is so advanced it is basically futuristic... Plenty to love here.

[TZeer]

I'm mostly a rotorhead, but I was surprised (in positive way) on the announcement for the F-35.

No one is forcing anyone to buy or do anything with it.

Servers can restrict the use of modules based on what kind of gameplay they want.

This can be an interesting module to play with

 

 

[LordOrion]

7 hours ago, TotenDead said:

What if I don't want to fight against a fantasy plane on my favorite server? I stop playing?

Have you ever met a JF-17?

[Николай Ушаков]

12 минут назад, Qiou87 сказал:

Fly helos! Helos are great, and you get some nice REDFOR stuff. The Mi-24P is awesome once you master it, the Ka-50 III is so advanced it is basically futuristic... Plenty to love here.

Fly 50 Mi-24 against 30 F-35, 10 F-16 and 10 F-18 lol

4 часа назад, Tank50us сказал:

"Why can't ED add (insert RedFor jet)?" because where in the US, there's no law preventing them from making it. China and Russia are a bit more strict in how their kit is portrayed. For example, in Russia, right now, you can be put in prison if you claim that the T-34 is anything but the best tank of WW2 (news flash, it sucked. Shermans are better in every way. Change my mind). The US has no such law, and so long as the OEM is ok with it, you can feature it however you wish.

 

- ED probably uses it as an excuse, like they did use lack of info not to commit to other planes
- Later part is also sanity issue/fake

[Cyborg71]

9 hours ago, NineLine said:

No, that is not true. a Superhornet, these days, is very possible. Data on them is not an issue. Thanks. 

NineLine knows exactly what he's doing here. And I love it.

[vctpil]

4 hours ago, NineLine said:

Voice chat is very cool, and I am not sure why you are ignoring it, but a lot of work went into that and is still being refined.

Hi,

Me and the group I fly with have never been able to get it to work properly, even just communicate with each other despite our efforts.

[Bikerguy302000]

4 hours ago, Springfield-902 said:

dont forget bout belt and eject seat too.

Because i fly ultra realistic, its cost me a fortune in ejection seat rocket packs and gun cartridges and don't get me started  on my roof repair bills.  

[okopanja]

8 hours ago, NineLine said:

Switch sides.

With all due respect this sounded as a  funny way to respond to constructive remark from loyal customer.

Can you please elaborate how the multiplayer with modern sets would work?

Whom will you motivate the fly on opposite side?

[YoYo]

1 hour ago, Silver_Dragon said:

F-35 Will coming on 2027-28, F-15C to 2026. And Mig-29A planned to Q2 2025. And surely, other "FC" Will coming on 2027

Enviado desde mi CPH2197 mediante Tapatalk
 

Did upu read the FAQ? Where did you find 2027? 

When will it be available?
Development will start in earnest in 2025, with a release goal in 2026. This is subject to change. When we have a more specific date, we will update this FAQ.

[BIGNEWY]

4 minutes ago, okopanja said:

With all due respect this sounded as a  funny way to respond to constructive remark from loyal customer.

Can you please elaborate how the multiplayer with modern sets would work?

Whom will you motivate the fly on opposite side?

MP servers have always decided what aircraft they will include in their missions, it will be up to the server admin to decide, if they want to create a mission with balance they will always do it, the community is very talented. 

Eventually I am sure we will see other same generation aircraft coming to DCS, its just a matter of time and resources. 

[NytHawk]

11 hours ago, Thump said:

The sheer amount of BS magic dust they are going to have to douse this module in will be meme worthy.

The JF17 was built with much less information on it, and it turned out to be a great module. The development of the JSF is by far the most public of any fighter aircraft in history, and LM really loves showing off its capabilities, and their own simulators on it.
Sure, ED will need to take liberties in many aspects of the development, but frankly I don't see an issue with that as long as performance is believable. The F35 compared to everything else in the game is going to be an absolute spaceship in terms of capability, so i don't see how being slightly off in performance is going to make a major issue.

Edited January 17 by NytHawk